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    For those who speculate religion; not for those offended by speculation
    Topic Started: Apr 6 2011, 05:16 AM (500 Views)
    Breezy
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    Skidoosh
    so i've been doing lots of ranting on facebook and i've come to this conclusion.
    we are god.
    I almost decided to believe in god but then pieces started falling together.

    here's my rant on FB

    -I'm not going to turn religious, but i'm not going to doubt the fact that a cosmic entity happened to kickstart life. i'm not saying it's a guy, but energy. energy is real and manifests itself in many different forms. if energy is god, then god is really in all of us and every living creature just as the bible says.

    -like i said before (or similar to it), believing in god is beliving in ourselves for we are a manifestation of energy.

    -when we pray to god we're imagining that some higher power is going to grant our wishes. now, the mind is powerful beyond comprehension. we have the ability to move things with our mind. why not influence. some people may be able to put thoughts into other's heads causing their wish to vaguely come true.

    -vampires are real. however they do not suck blood, but energy. or what we call an aura. which is the god i'm speaking of. they also hold the ability to push energy into another. this is influence. our thoughts are energy signals in our brain, so i'm saying that perhaps these thoughts or memories (deja vus?) can be accidentally as well as intentionally pushed into another person.

    -what created life? lightning and amino acids really. we were created in god's image. what is god? lightning. electricity. energy. life is energy. energy is god. god created life. life is god.

    -also i think jesus was a vampire


    i figured i'd share my abrahams with the long lost NF community.
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    Picklegod
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    Don't you agree, Zach?

    Energy is god. Interesting thought. I guess it does make sense based on your reasoning, but I think this also calls into question the definition of a god (not a dictionary definition exactly, more of a philosophical definition). For example, does a god need to be self-aware by our definition? Some might say yes, others no. Whatever the case, I think it's a topic that goes along with your idea.

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    Arnstein
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    Those who speculate religion should just read The God Delusion and get real.
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    I can identify with what you're saying, except for the random vampire bit.
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    VelvetLightning
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    Princess of Pink.

    While interesting, i hope this thread doesn't get out of hand.
    It seems like every time you bring up religion in any way, there is a war over it.
    Anyway, so how would you know someone is a vampire?
    How do one go about knowing their a vampire.
    Just suddenly get the munchies for some energy?

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    DrFred
    Apr 6 2011, 11:33 AM
    I can identify with what you're saying, except for the random vampire bit.
    I'm with Ash on this one, and you've lost me with the move things with your mind bit as well.
    Holy Crap I'm old :(
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    lulz ensure
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    Bleh, I don't believe in a god. never have, never will. i see no reason to because, see, there's this thing called "science". of course i do respect everyones right to a religion though.
    Edited by lulz ensure, Apr 6 2011, 06:31 PM.
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    Picklegod
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    Don't you agree, Zach?

    Arnstein
    Apr 6 2011, 10:07 AM
    Those who speculate religion should just read The God Delusion and get real.
    Looked it up. Sounds interesting, but I think the author would just make me angry. Just a little too arrogant sounding for my taste. Not bashing his claims (I've only read an small excerpt so how can I?), the vibe that I get from him just makes him sound all high and mighty.

    Also, I kinda got lost with the vampire and telekinesis bits as well.

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    MP1
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    Those who speculate religion should just read The God Delusion and get real.

    First of all, I'm a skeptic-- an agnostic atheist to be more precise -- and I've read Richard Dawkin's The God Delusion and while I find it to be a very informative book and basic manifesto for atheism/skepticism, it's not an "end-all-be-all." There's still much that it doesn't answer, and currently cannot answer. While I don't personally buy into religion, particularly where morality is involved, I can't definitively prove that God, a deity, or any supernatural being doesn't exist or placate control over the universe. And, although I find the evidence suggesting that conventional religious presumptions are false, I would be defying my skepticism to conclusively state that nothing of the sort exists.

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    i see no reason to because, see, there's this thing called "science".

    Science is amazing and its discoveries certainly shouldn't be discounted. However, I'm inclined to believe that science is unable to answer many of life's quandaries, though I'm beginning to wonder if philosophy or other muses simply muddy understanding in this regard.

    @Picklegod, just for the humor of it, but was the expert that you read:

    "The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

    I suppose that's more of a quote than excerpt, but I digress. The rest of the book isn't quite so abashedly offensive. Aside from that quote, the tone of the book is more passive-aggressive, less avant garde. If you can get past this and a few trailing remarks, the rest of the book is honestly a pleasure to read. It is most certainly a book worth pondering over.

    And finally, for what this topic is actually about:

    This reminds me a lot of something I ended up reading when using StumbleUpon. It's an interesting concept, and I'd say that it'd be better referred to as a philosophy than a religion. While I'm more of a naturalist, I don't find this form of thinking to be particularly offensive or malignant at all. Perhaps if more people thought this way, there would be more synchronization among people and tranquility could persist.

    However, I would have to argue that your 'vampire' theory seems off base (but that's only my perception, I suppose). I don't understand how or why anyone would possess that ability. And, if they did, how would they be able to do that without knowing it themselves. (I imagine that only a few people in the world think along these lines [though this seems somewhat derived from Eastern religions/philosophies], and so an even smaller percentage would be consciously able to impose 'deja vu.' Anyway, I wouldn't mind hearing more of your explanation, if for basic appreciation of you pursuing your ideas.

    As for Jesus being a vampire...
    If I had faith, I would perhaps find that statement to be sacroligious.
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    rustyscrew'
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    k so i'm a practicing catholic

    i pretty much agree with all the points you made (besides the vampire shit; did you read twilight while having this revelation or something)
    i definitely think that religion is a mental thing
    when i pray before i go to bed, i'm always thanking for everything that i have and received during the day
    it makes me feel good
    saying thank you to someone makes me feel good, makes me appreciate what i really have
    and when i believe that there is someone on the other side sitting there and taking my thanks to heart, it makes me feel good

    i like feeling good that's why i jerk off a lot

    i also like to think of religion and science together
    my math teacher gave a pretty good example
    when god said let there be light
    big bang yo

    i don't think that god works in supernatural ways and shit
    like when moses was leading the jews out of egypt, there is no way that he parted the fucking sea
    as far as i'm concerned, there was a low tide and than a wave rolled in and washed the egyptians away

    and when moses was talking to god through the bush that was on fire
    no way bro
    sure maybe the bush was on fire when he got there, but wouldn't bushes in the middle east be fucking dry as fuck and make a lot of smoke?
    moses got knocked out by the smoke, and just had a really rad dream

    and i think the whole idea of the big bang theory sounds just as nuts as creationism

    my fav part is that a priest made up the big bang theory
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    Picklegod
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    Don't you agree, Zach?

    @ MP1: No, that bit I actually quite agree with. It was just a bit near the beginning. It was the tone of voice I think that I didn't like. His claims do sound interesting though, whether or not I agree.

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    Breezy
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    haha okay. i gotta settle the vamp shit.

    i watched a history channel show on people who are more in tune with their in energy. chi or chakra if you wanna call it that. these people are able to be more influential because of the 'outward force' of their energy.
    even for someone who doesn't know of it, they still posses the capability of it. and by it i mean stealing energy.
    lemme give you an example: you can think of energy as good mood or contentness, but when someone comes along and verbally or mentally harms you and they feel invigorated, not just pleased, it's because they put their energy to a malicious use (think of a blade) and pierced into your energy field and drained it, benefitting them.
    or ina positive manner, spiritual healers. maybe you've experienced feel good when someone places there hands on you, or just being around such a person. this is energy transferance (idk if that's a correct term) where they send their energy into you.
    it's just subtle enough that it's existence relies on belief in it.
    fuck twilight.

    and i talk about them because praying could be considered meditation and in a way hones and focuses that energy. i personally, no matter how annoying they are, but if they're cheery and kind, i usually feel good around, say, mormons. but if they're judgemental and condescending or rude i can feel kind of drained.

    so in a sense we're all these 'vampires' but the strength of your influence really matters on how spiritual you are, whether it's religious or just lack for a better word.

    all my life i've been told that people feel good around me and are comfortable with me. I also happen to meditate and keep good thoughts in my head as well as an approachable persona. self confidence (not the prideful kind) could also be spoken of as spiritual because confidence is a spirit booster, agreed?

    thanks for the replies and mature debate! :]
    i thought it was gonna be locked because someone gets all offended that i'm speaking of religion. though I'm not dissing any religion. every religion is right as long as it's right for you. all that matters is that you believe in something, whether it be some god figure, in inner energy, or just in yourself as a person.
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    Breezy
    Apr 6 2011, 05:16 AM
    -vampires are real. however they do not suck blood, but energy. or what we call an aura. which is the god i'm speaking of. they also hold the ability to push energy into another. this is influence. our thoughts are energy signals in our brain, so i'm saying that perhaps these thoughts or memories (deja vus?) can be accidentally as well as intentionally pushed into another person.
    This is where you lost me.

    I believe only that the human mind will always seek answers, and in the end it is willing to except an implausible answer over no answer at all. If we can't figure something out we make up something that can explain it, and watch out if somebody tries to change that belief.
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    MP1
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    Honestly, I feel like everything you said is true (in the sense of perception of truth). I personally find that the influence people have is based off of charisma garnered by personality traits and the benefits of raising. You, on the other hand, believe that it is the attuning of energy to and from a person in a similar fashion as I understand to be yin and yang. I happen to think we're both correct in the objective sense; however, that we both perceive the same thing differently. I value a more naturalistic explanation; you value a more immaterial/metaphysical meaning. This isn't to say that either of us are innately wrong or correct, but that perception plays a powerful role in discerning truth.

    Not coincidentally, what you describe as mediation and positive thinking to replenish or nurture that energy, there is evidence that suggests that people who think positively are charismatic and influential.
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    Apr 6 2011, 06:31 PM
    Bleh, I don't believe in a god. never have, never will. i see no reason to because, see, there's this thing called "science". of course i do respect everyones right to a religion though.
    I am atheist and don't believe in any god but I myself can't say that he doesn't exist. One of the biggest reasons is in fact the mentioning of science. While there is large amounts of evidence showing the flaws in religious text through science (some without the need of science) there are things that science is yet unable to explain and pretending like science has answered all questions is foolish in my opinion.
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