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    What is your favorite GameCube/Nintendo franchise?
    Topic Started: Sep 5 2010, 02:41 PM (1,415 Views)
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    Sep 5 2010, 09:35 PM
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    well i loved it, and I dont see how that little nitpicking you are doing makes any difference in whether it is a good game or not, there was foreshadowing, you go through the whole game knowing there is something locked up in that door, it shouldnt have been a huge surprise, but it caught me off guard, in a good way


    It wasn't foreshadowing. It was just bad writing and the inclusion of the big bad Ganon meant to up the sales.

    Zelda in general has bad writing.


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    Togeshroob
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    This has been an ugly mesh of 'i like it because of this' and 'i hate it because of this.'

    Who really cares :s

    Person1, if they dislike Zelda, let them be, it's their choice and their interests, and not everyone will like what you like. And the rest of you, even though at least BonBon is now legitimately arguing and not stating opinion as universal truth like the others, I think you've made your point. Can't we just get back to favorite franchises?


    But I also agree that Ganon was a little too BAM in TP, but I also think it was completely necessary for him to be in the game, given TP's placement in the timeline and the fact that Ganon never came to power in this timeline (we didn't know what happened to him after OoT's child ending). They finshed OoT's story in the adult timeline with Wind Waker (meaning Ganon was finally killed), so they needed to finish it in the child timeline as well.

    Also, there was legitimate foreshadowing to Ganon. Zant specifically mentioned that his power came from 'his god,' and that he was no longer using the ancient dark power of the Twili tribe. So of course you then realize that there is some greater force at work behind Zant, before you actually hear about Ganon.
    Edited by Togeshroob, Sep 5 2010, 10:16 PM.
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    Simply pure faggotry.
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    Sep 5 2010, 10:13 PM
    Person1, if they dislike Zelda, let them be, it's their choice and their interests, and not everyone will like what you like. And the rest of you, even though at least BonBon is now legitimately arguing and not stating opinion as universal truth like the others, I think you've made your point. Can't we just get back to favorite franchises?
    Excuse us for expressing opinions. Not our fault fanboys can't argue for shits.
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    Sep 5 2010, 10:16 PM
    Excuse us for expressing opinions. Not our fault fanboys can't argue for shits.
    See, the whole point is that no one should have brought up the arguement in the first place. No one should have been, "oh hey, someone expressed interest in a franchise I don't like, this is a chance for me to continually bash it."

    No one can claim their opinions and personal tastes as if they're speaking universal truth; it just doesn't work that way. The point is that we should just tolerate it when people like something we don't like, or vice versa - and that goes for both sides (pro-Zelda and anti-Zelda).
    Edited by Togeshroob, Sep 5 2010, 10:27 PM.
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    -accident, delete this post-
    Edited by Togeshroob, Sep 5 2010, 10:26 PM.
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    Definitely Fire Emblem. There will never be another series that steals my heart like FE has.
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    But I also agree that Ganon was a little too BAM in TP, but I also think it was completely necessary for him to be in the game, given TP's placement in the timeline and the fact that Ganon never came to power in this timeline (we didn't know what happened to him after OoT's child ending). They finshed OoT's story in the adult timeline with Wind Waker (meaning Ganon was finally killed), so they needed to finish it in the child timeline as well.

    I would agree with this if every game prior to Ocarina of Time didn't exist. Those were the events of the child timeline post-Ocarina.
    Ganon's death in TP retconned all of those games. Yet another reason his role in that game is stupid.
    Edited by BonBon, Sep 6 2010, 12:00 AM.
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    List the things you like. You have just made a list of things I hate. I will make it a point to tell you those things are objectively bad and therefore you are a bad person for liking them.

    There's a name for this kind of behavior, guys! It is called really really dumb.

    I am reminding you all to relax in case you've missed that. Please note I am not telling you to stop debating the merits of Zelda's plot (I can't beleive I just wrote that) but like. A couple of you could sure use some lessons in tact! It's not hard to use I promise!
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    Hey guys,

    Zelda sucks.

    Stop this shitty argument.


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    I hate it when people point out opinions as facts.

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    I voted Legend of Zelda. I chose this because ever since I was a kid, its been my favourite. My favourite one was Ocarina of Time
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    An opinion it is, but it's most definitely correct.
    I'm not trying to be rude or condescending or anything with quoting that, I just thought it was weird :p

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    I would agree with this if every game prior to Ocarina of Time didn't exist. Those were the events of the child timeline post-Ocarina.
    Ganon's death in TP retconned all of those games. Yet another reason his role in that game is stupid.
    You're definitely right there.

    But the original 3 games could very well take place in the Wind Waker (adult) timeline, because in ALttP, Ganon was sealed in the Dark World as he was in only OoT's adult end, and the towns in Zelda II were named after the sages of OoT. The OoT sages never actually became sages in TP's timeline (child ending), so they had nothing to do with Hyrule's history there.

    But then if you look at another way, Twilight Princess could very well be nothing more than a retelling of ALttP's story, an alternate version of that particular legend of Hyrule's past. Remember that these games are based off of hypothetical legends from the fictional kingdom of Hyrule, and the nature of a legend is to change and vary over time. I personally think that TP and ALttP tell the same story, just different versions of it - kind of like there are different versions of real life legends. There are some contradictions of course, I'm still working out the theory.

    But if it were true that TP and ALttP are the same story, then the first two games can still fit in the Child Timeline. Remember that we're dealing with hypothetical legends here. You can't take legends at complete face value and get continuity, even in real life. You have to think of legends relatively - as oral stories passed down, subject to change and the speaker's own interpretation. This is why the series-staple areas (like Death Mountain, Lost Woods, etc.) are not always in the exact same location between games. In legends, locations are extremely vague and usually based on characters' actions (as in, "after that, he went north to the mountains" - well, does that mean north from where he was last was, or north from the centermost point of the kingdom, or what? And how far north from whatever location?). You can see how, in a physical representation of such a vague story, like the games are, you have to have exact location. So knowing how a legend is directionally vauge, they take creative liberty in designing the overworlds and such.

    That was sorta going off on a tangent, but the same can be applied to the timeline to some extent (as in, retellings of the same events in history, but different versions of how these events took place, because legends are subject to gradual change and personal interpretation over time). But like I said, I'm still working through my TP = alternate version of ALttP's legend theory, so I'm not trying to present anything as fact here. I guess I'm just rambling :p
    Edited by Togeshroob, Sep 6 2010, 03:10 PM.
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    Sorry to the people who had posts deleted just now.

    Although I agree with the sentiments!
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    Were my words too harsh? Sorry if they were ... didn't mean for it to come off as such. Just hinting dosages of reality, here.

    So ... where are my FE fans? Come, and support one of the greatest series of games ever to walk upon the face of Heaven and Earth.
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    Come now, Riddle. Lets not be insulting, here. Just because another chooses brash words does not merit one's self using them.
    Well, I'm sorry, but there's certain people in this thread who are just getting on like complete idiots and it annoys me.
    I understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, which I personally don't have a problem with. I accept people's opinions and I don't bash people for their beliefs. It really irritates me when people think that their opinion is the only one that matters and everyone who disagrees with it, is wrong.
    They need to get it into their heads that the sun does not shine out of their arses and they're not always right.
    Not everyone is into the same things. Accept it.
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