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What is your favorite GameCube/Nintendo franchise?
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DiscoPartyKitty	Sep 5 2010, 08:32 PM Post #31
Koopa Posts: 85 Group: Koopa Member #13,005 Joined: July 13, 2010	person1 Sep 5 2010, 08:26 PM ]I respectfully disagree once again... Zants entire plan was to get the mirror pieces together so that he could bring back Ganon (Who was sealed away by the sages since OoT) The final battle you rejeuvinate ganon's sealed door, and beat him once again (surely not the last time). I think thats pretty classic right there, zant was totally lame. Ganon is the badguy of the series (like bowser...) and going the whole game without knowing he was even in it was a pretty great surprise What does this have to do with dropping Ganon altogether and developing Zant into a GOOD character? And just because Ganon is the bigbad of the series, doesn't mean they can't do something new.



BonBon	Sep 5 2010, 08:35 PM Post #32
Not a Paratroopa Posts: 518 Group: Waluigi Member #13,004 Joined: July 13, 2010 Gender Female	What? Zan't was the one who shattered the mirror, so that Midna couldn't interfere with his plans. He has no idea who ganon even was, let alone any intention to bring back Ganon. He wasn't even in the Sacred Realm in the Twilight Princess timeline; he was trapped in the Twilight Realm, and was already dicking around with Hyrule Castle well before the final battle. Ganon was just a chessmaster who controlled everything from his throne. You need to pay more attention the the storyline if you intend to debate it. Also, I don't care if it follows the tradition of classic Zelda games. That doesn't excuse terrible writing.



person1	Sep 5 2010, 08:37 PM Post #33
ChuChu Posts: 39 Group: ChuChu Member #12,996 Joined: July 11, 2010	Yea they totally could've made Zant more badass, but they didnt they brought back the classic boss, which in my opinion (and apperantly Nintendo's), makes this game that much better, why not have both?
	Top 10 Favorite games: 1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Mother 3 3. Pokemon (any version) 4. Zelda: Majora's Mask 5. Metroid Prime 6. Super Mario Galaxy 2 7. Zelda: Twilight Princess 8. Zelda: Wind Waker 9. Zelda: A Link to the Past 10. Super Mario Galaxy


BonBon	Sep 5 2010, 08:40 PM Post #34
Not a Paratroopa Posts: 518 Group: Waluigi Member #13,004 Joined: July 13, 2010 Gender Female	Tradition isn't a good thing when it degrades and flanderizes an antagonist. The reason Ganon worked so well as a villian in Wind Waker and, to an extent, Ocarina of Time isn't because he was in previous games, but because his actions directly influenced you the entire game, the story built him up to be a major threat, you had a personal rivalry with him, and he was characterized as something more than a dick. Edited by BonBon, Sep 5 2010, 08:41 PM.



person1	Sep 5 2010, 08:41 PM Post #35
ChuChu Posts: 39 Group: ChuChu Member #12,996 Joined: July 11, 2010	BonBon Sep 5 2010, 08:35 PM What? Zan't was the one who shattered the mirror, so that Midna couldn't interfere with his plans. He has no idea who ganon even was, let alone any intention to bring back Ganon. He wasn't even in the Sacred Realm in the Twilight Princess timeline; he was trapped in the Twilight Realm, and was already dicking around with Hyrule Castle well before the final battle. Ganon was just a chessmaster who controlled everything from his throne. You need to pay more attention the the storyline if you intend to debate it. Also, I don't care if it follows the tradition of classic Zelda games. That doesn't excuse terrible writing. Ok, ok, you got me, this one I only played twice, (Beat it regularly the first time, 100% the second) Im surprised a hater understood the story in that aspect more than I did. But what your saying seems even better than I thought it was (well about the same)
	Top 10 Favorite games: 1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Mother 3 3. Pokemon (any version) 4. Zelda: Majora's Mask 5. Metroid Prime 6. Super Mario Galaxy 2 7. Zelda: Twilight Princess 8. Zelda: Wind Waker 9. Zelda: A Link to the Past 10. Super Mario Galaxy


person1	Sep 5 2010, 08:46 PM Post #36
ChuChu Posts: 39 Group: ChuChu Member #12,996 Joined: July 11, 2010	BonBon Sep 5 2010, 08:40 PM Tradition isn't a good thing when it degrades and flanderizes an antagonist. The reason Ganon worked so well as a villian in Wind Waker and, to an extent, Ocarina of Time isn't because he was in previous games, but because his actions directly influenced you the entire game, the story built him up to be a major threat, you had a personal rivalry with him, and he was characterized as something more than a dick. In that way, its a good thing they didn't keep the tradition of having Ganon being the center of everything throughout the game, forgive Nintendo for doing something different. Yet still having that classic Boss Battle at the end of the game, It ties with the story just fine.
	Top 10 Favorite games: 1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Mother 3 3. Pokemon (any version) 4. Zelda: Majora's Mask 5. Metroid Prime 6. Super Mario Galaxy 2 7. Zelda: Twilight Princess 8. Zelda: Wind Waker 9. Zelda: A Link to the Past 10. Super Mario Galaxy


BonBon	Sep 5 2010, 08:52 PM Post #37
Not a Paratroopa Posts: 518 Group: Waluigi Member #13,004 Joined: July 13, 2010 Gender Female	Doing something new would be using an entirely new villain, with a different back story and characterization than Ganon, who brings new ideas to the series. Having a classic villain steal the spotlight out of nowhere in the last half hour of the game with little foreshadowing and NO relevance to the previous events, that's bad writing. An antagonist should have the story crafted around him. If you truly need him to be a plot twist, have some lore or foreshadowing that lets him slowly work his way into the position behind the scenes. You know, do it subtly throughout the game. Ganon's plot twist was more like a brick crashing through the window. Edited by BonBon, Sep 5 2010, 08:52 PM.



DiscoPartyKitty	Sep 5 2010, 09:00 PM Post #38
Koopa Posts: 85 Group: Koopa Member #13,005 Joined: July 13, 2010	BonBon Ganon's plot twist was more like a brick crashing through the window. DON'T YOU MEAN A MIRROR? : 3 Edited by DiscoPartyKitty, Sep 5 2010, 09:00 PM.



BonBon	Sep 5 2010, 09:00 PM Post #39
Not a Paratroopa Posts: 518 Group: Waluigi Member #13,004 Joined: July 13, 2010 Gender Female	Oh you.



Salazar	Sep 5 2010, 09:02 PM Post #40
ChuChu Posts: 40 Group: ChuChu Member #13,056 Joined: July 25, 2010	DiscoPartyKitty BonBon Ganon's plot twist was more like a brick crashing through the window. DON'T YOU MEAN A MIRROR? : 3
	Me llamo Ramon Salazar, the eighth castellan of this magnificent architecture... I have been honored with the prodigious power from the great Lord Saddler! I've been expecting you, my brethrens.


person1	Sep 5 2010, 09:30 PM Post #41
ChuChu Posts: 39 Group: ChuChu Member #12,996 Joined: July 11, 2010	well i loved it, and I dont see how that little nitpicking you are doing makes any difference in whether it is a good game or not, there was foreshadowing, you go through the whole game knowing there is something locked up in that door, it shouldnt have been a huge surprise, but it caught me off guard, in a good way
	Top 10 Favorite games: 1. Zelda: Ocarina of Time 2. Mother 3 3. Pokemon (any version) 4. Zelda: Majora's Mask 5. Metroid Prime 6. Super Mario Galaxy 2 7. Zelda: Twilight Princess 8. Zelda: Wind Waker 9. Zelda: A Link to the Past 10. Super Mario Galaxy


AegisReflector	Sep 5 2010, 09:35 PM Post #42
Simply pure faggotry. Posts: 289 Group: Waluigi Member #13,113 Joined: August 11, 2010	Hey guys, Zelda sucks. Stop this shitty argument.
	REMOVED SIG CUZ Y'ALL ARE CRYBABIES.


Salazar	Sep 5 2010, 09:35 PM Post #43
ChuChu Posts: 40 Group: ChuChu Member #13,056 Joined: July 25, 2010	person1 well i loved it, and I dont see how that little nitpicking you are doing makes any difference in whether it is a good game or not, there was foreshadowing, you go through the whole game knowing there is something locked up in that door, it shouldnt have been a huge surprise, but it caught me off guard, in a good way It wasn't foreshadowing. It was just bad writing and the inclusion of the big bad Ganon meant to up the sales.
	Me llamo Ramon Salazar, the eighth castellan of this magnificent architecture... I have been honored with the prodigious power from the great Lord Saddler! I've been expecting you, my brethrens.


BonBon	Sep 5 2010, 09:37 PM Post #44
Not a Paratroopa Posts: 518 Group: Waluigi Member #13,004 Joined: July 13, 2010 Gender Female	person1 well i loved it, and I dont see how that little nitpicking you are doing makes any difference in whether it is a good game or not, there was foreshadowing, you go through the whole game knowing there is something locked up in that door, it shouldnt have been a huge surprise, but it caught me off guard, in a good way There was no door. At all. The premise of the game was that Ganon was trapped in the Twilight Realm by the Sages, he pretended to be a God to trick Zant into becoming his puppet, and Zant would spread the Twilight over Hyrule, therefore making the entire kingdom Ganon's domain. There was no Sacred Realm in Twilight Princess. The closest thing to foreshadowing was the scene where they blatantly came out and blatantly said "Oh yeah, the reason Zant is powerful because Ganondorf lent him Din's power. We won't mention this again for another ten hours."



AegisReflector	Sep 5 2010, 09:38 PM Post #45
Simply pure faggotry. Posts: 289 Group: Waluigi Member #13,113 Joined: August 11, 2010	Salazar Sep 5 2010, 09:35 PM person1 well i loved it, and I dont see how that little nitpicking you are doing makes any difference in whether it is a good game or not, there was foreshadowing, you go through the whole game knowing there is something locked up in that door, it shouldnt have been a huge surprise, but it caught me off guard, in a good way It wasn't foreshadowing. It was just bad writing and the inclusion of the big bad Ganon meant to up the sales. Zelda in general has bad writing.
	REMOVED SIG CUZ Y'ALL ARE CRYBABIES.


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