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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 25 2009, 03:26 PM (2,055 Views) | |
| N64dude | Mar 25 2009, 03:26 PM Post #1 |
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Ok, lets face it, with Nintendo's success of the Wii, everything has gone down hill, the last games from Nintendo that were truly phenomenal were, Super Smash Bros., Super Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and their best, Twilight Princess, but we could definitely see a decline starting at the horrible E3 08, where Nintendo gave us nothing, accept Wii Music, Wii Sports 2, and the almost same Animal Crossing on DS brought to Wii, so since then we have heard NO good news, except one thing that made my hopes go high, and that was that some one said "we will hear something about the next zelda in 2009", so now im am just worried, I hope so much that they don't do ANYTHING to make zelda casual, or it would make me almost cry because I couldn't trust them anymore. So today a NEW zelda was announced, called Spirit Tracks for the DS. It looks a lot like PH, but I am slightly disappointed that it is similar even with the traveling around in a boat, except in this game you use a train... I have faith that it will be good, but just not as original, do any of you think it will be good? Well anyway, my main concern in Zelda for Wii,  -So my main question is, do you still have faith and hope in Nintendo?  -and do you still believe the next Zelda Wii will be amazing?
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| Picklegod | Mar 25 2009, 03:34 PM Post #2 |
Don't you agree, Zach?
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In regards to Zelda: Zelda has never failed me before. Not every single one has been as good as the last, but Zelda is still a great series. As for my faith in Nintendo, I still have it. Right now, they're obviously very occupied with the casual market, but everyone has to start somewhere. I'm sure not all of us started out as hardcore gamers. Nintendo is attracting plenty of gamers that will end up being hardcore gamers later in life (obviously not all of them, but a fair amount for sure). This, in turn, could produce a higher demand for hardcore games in the future. I think we can let casual gamers have a little time in the spotlight. Perhaps it'll pay off later. Sidenote: As a personal observation, gamers are, in general, jerks to new gamers. In this sense, Nintendo's really doing a great thing by introducing more people to gaming. Edited by Picklegod, Mar 25 2009, 03:36 PM.
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| Vasioth | Mar 25 2009, 03:46 PM Post #3 |
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Well I lost faith with Nintendo with Zelda after they messed it up with Twilight Princess and Mario after... well Marios never been the same since Mario Bro's or Super Mario World (except the Mario&Luigi games or sport games like Mario Tennis, etc). But at the same time if it weren't for Casual gamers Nintendo would barely make money of, well, lets say Nintendo decided to do an expirement. 1 day Nintendo games were only open up to the Nintendo Fanboy Public (Or the NFP) and not the Casual Gamer public (or the CGP). Now since NFP is a smaller minority compared to the bandwagon of CGP and only decides to buy your everyday Mario's on the shelfs or Zeldas, Megamans, Metroids, F-Zeros, Kirbys or Resident Evils (Remade mostly). Now your left with this abundance of leftover crap that no one wants because A) Mr know it all buys the unoffical/offical Ninty magazine or B) Watches Game programmes, listens to Game Podcasts, Teletext, ect. Since those games don't get sold those companys that made the crappy thing they decided to spout out onto the public loose a bundle of money or it turns out it was the same company making, well, for example, the Smash brothers series. Therefore they have a shorter time schedule to make one of there more promising games on a deadline time with less money, maybe even less staff (the extreme example now). Thats where the Casual gamer comes in to buy Wii Suicide, Wii Piss and the like. I hope some of that made sense because I got lost 3/4's of the way in, I seriously did  ...Sure looking forward to the next installment of Twilight... Princess  ...
Edited by Vasioth, Mar 25 2009, 03:58 PM.
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| N64dude | Mar 25 2009, 03:50 PM Post #4 |
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are you serious? twilight princess and mario were amazing |
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| Vasioth | Mar 25 2009, 03:57 PM Post #5 |
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1) I shall edit my post, I noticed I mentioned Mario when I talked about loosing faith in Zelda, I should have said Nintendo *Slaps head*. Well I guess we're all different - I mean I played A Link to the Past a year after it came out, OTT and MM on the release dates in the UK and WW a week before it properly came out in the UK. Compared to Zeldas like the ones I mentioned, Twilight Princess is nowhere near as good. It has too much of a lotr feeling about it - which I blame Shigsy for watching the Trilogy the day before starting development. The Bosses were far far to easy - it was quiet... short for me and the side quests or mini games it had were bland. The Wolf part interested me, I'll admit that and so did its plot but it just didn't feel like Zelda... I guess its an opinion ... and mines to TP is just Meh. The only logical one you'll get out me without telling a 3 page summary of what I think went wrong with it.. |
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| Picklegod | Mar 25 2009, 03:58 PM Post #6 |
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Don't you agree, Zach?
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Vasioth:  (to self:just smile and nod)Sorry, I got lost too. N64dude: It all depends on your preferences. I do agree with you for Mario and TP though |
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| Vasioth | Mar 25 2009, 04:03 PM Post #7 |
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I was making a sure point out of that post, I assure you. I just lost track of the point in which I was making. If I find a more... presentable way of making that post make sense I'll edit it later I guess... |
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| WillQ | Mar 25 2009, 04:17 PM Post #8 |
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I haven't lost faith, I mean they are obviously gonna do there up most to make money. If you think Sony or Microsoft wouldn't give up there so called "hardcore" gamers to make tons of money, then sadly your wrong. |
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| Vonnick 2.0 | Mar 25 2009, 04:24 PM Post #9 |
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Yes. The good thing is they can't ruin their old games. Thank god for third parties.
Edited by Vonnick 2.0, Mar 25 2009, 04:25 PM.
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That's the power of Chrome in your ass.
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| Firebro24 | Mar 25 2009, 07:15 PM Post #10 |
Frank Fly said something nasty!
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Let's face it, this is the revolution for casual gaming. The Wii's first party titles are, for the most part, games targeted towards older people or those who lack the ability to hold a controller. The games for Wii that appeal to core gamers are normally third party titles like Madworld, No More Heores or the remastered Resiedent Evil 4. There are some first party titles that are good like Galaxy and I'm assuming Metroid Prime 3 (never got intot he Metroid series). Same goes for the DS, which is suffering with games that normally include coooking, taking care of exotic animals or doing math. However, the gaming quality of the DS has gone up in recent years with the remakes of Final fantasy games, the World Ends With You and other RPGs that are actually well worth the play. The first party games are alright, too. For example, New Super Mario Bros (decent platformer) Phantom Hourglass, Diamond and Pearl (alright, definittly better than the third generation). And with the new Mario and Luigi coming out, I am hoping that this year for the DS will be a great year for handheld gaming. |
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| IceCatraz | Mar 25 2009, 07:28 PM Post #11 |
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Why wouldn't I? Nintendo is a gaming company out to make money. They hold the highest selling IP's in the world, and rake in cash by making games tailored for everyone under the sun. They have every kind of game out there, for every audience. It just makes sense have to faith in them. 20 years and still going strong. I honestly don't see how anyone can say that Wii's gone downhill. You may not like the games that they are making for it, but they are still making games that are selling. Lots. Their methods may be questionable, but the outcome is clear; money makes them happy. Good Games make the customers happy. Because they are making so much money, then it must make sense that they are making good games. In theory, of course.. Plus, they make the best darndest extreme puzzle games out there. Should they amp up their online service, fix their storage problem, and secure a few choice third party developers, they'd be golden. As for games; it's all a matter of opinion. Fact is, you hit the kids when they are young, kill the parent's wallets, and when they get older, bang. It's quite genius, really. Let's just hope every kid acts like textbook cases of "annoying brats." Edit It's a good thing everyone thinks in a manner different than yours, Vasioth. Edited by IceCatraz, Mar 25 2009, 07:32 PM.
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| Firebro24 | Mar 25 2009, 07:52 PM Post #12 |
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I agree with Vasioth on this one. The Wii is marketing towards a more general audience (and you're right, Icecatraz, the marketing stragegies are indeed genious) and now the majority of games being made are lacking quality and originality. Wii Fit will have many spin offs, soon Microsoft and Sony will start producing hardware similar to the Wii, since Nintendo is making more money than ever these days, and it's not about how loyal a fanbase you have, it's about who walks away with the heaviest wallet by the end of the day. We can ionly hope that there are still game developers who believe in quality not quantity in this gaming crisis. |
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| Picklegod | Mar 25 2009, 08:05 PM Post #13 |
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Don't you agree, Zach?
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "crisis". Uncle Nintendo's just paying attention to Hardcore Gamer's newborn brother Casual Gamer. As with a parent's obsession with a new baby, I suspect Nintendo's obsession with casual gamers will run its course after awhile. |
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Foremost is the chromatic substance accomplishment to Picklegod! Pickle contributes to all parts of the forum, stays astir, and mostly is awful to everyone he meets. A wonderful, intelligent somebody, Pickle testament now better us with every day NF decisions. Approval Picklgod! -afrad15 | |
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| Vasioth | Mar 26 2009, 12:26 PM Post #14 |
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Or else Nintendo would go bankrupt if they did right? I was going along with this textbook junk, its sweet and its how you were brought up to the next or new generation of Video Gaming... like I was brought up to believe that no matter how good graphics are, always go for the quality of gameplay instead. (Which is why I stuck with Nintendo as a stupid Fanboy to the age of 15) I'm not going to argue with you on the Samantics of how to sell games now a-day. That method in which is happening in front of your eyes with casual gamers works fantastically while you have core gamers that pick up the control and wonder if there is a "New" good game to play with fantastic gameplay factors coming out (Now this depends on your type of genre of game of course like your basic RPGs,Adventures,FPS, Platformers, etc). There's nothing wrong with the way in which I don't place Faith with them; I'll decide my faith with one of Nintendo's next huge mascot games such as a Zelda (Not the spinoffs) or Mario(Same applies) if it has good gameplay. Edit: Turns out you've lived longer then me, so it may not completely be your case scenario but it is for the newer generation because well, its the new generation. Edited by Vasioth, Mar 26 2009, 02:30 PM.
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| IceCatraz | Mar 26 2009, 03:22 PM Post #15 |
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The comment was directed at the core reasoning behind the statement; not a lack of knowledge, but a difference in opinion. And no, they wouldn't go bankrupt; gaming simply wouldn't exist in the fashion that we now have it. Based off of a single opinion, there would be no more than 1 or 2 companies that, at the very least, would have little to no need for rivals because the goal was already met. It'd be like having 5 companies make the same exact product as opposed to one. Something like Pepsico and Coca Cola Company if you will, but instead of the other, smaller variables, but few to none at all. Not total control, but god damn most of it. It has, in the long run, more to do with lasting power than age. Our age difference may be a factor, as I've been exposed to games in general for a much longer period, but it's not the only factor. Nintendo (and, for a large part, Disney)'s casual approach in the current market isn't an amenity; it's required. Games are aimed at a certain audience. Nintendo widens that audience. Should the audience stay the same, gaming would be, for the most part, conformed to a certain age group. My parents played Space Invaders when they were around my age in the arcades, yet they don't partake in the producers product anymore. However, I've played Donkey Kong and Pac-Man when they first came out, and I'm still with the companies that produced them. My point is; introduction at a young age is a clever tactic. Nintendo has staying power with the younger audience because of the casual games, while they maintain power over gaming veterans because of the influence they imprinted on them when they were younger. Faith isn't only in the games; you don't maintain faith in a company just because of it's product. Poor managment slays good products, as some now defunct studios could testify to. I have faith in Nintendo's overall plan and the way they produce their product. They hit all audiences with great impact; it's just that there are more casual players than there are hardcore. |
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