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Mission Statement design thread
Topic Started: Feb 27 2007, 01:25 PM (549 Views)
Nanos
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I've a list myself of things I'm for and against, these are in some cases for practical reasons rather than idealistic, so we stand the greatest chance of success in obtaining a landmass for our community.

FOR

Copyright
Wealth creation
Ecological self sustainability
Nuclear power electric generation such as fusion
Tax (either income tax or VAT, not both!)
Censorship

AGAINST

Piracy
Illegal drugs


Current Mission Statement contents;

To help the poor with affordable housing and a high minimum wage though cooperative work and equal sharing of total income.
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Klagis
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Where can we discuss these things so I can be on the same page as you?
Mainly Copyright, Censorship, Piracy, Illegal Drugs

What I mean to say is it appropriate to discuss these concepts in this thread or shall I create another one? (I don't entirely understand the topic name)
Edited by Klagis, Apr 17 2009, 06:36 PM.
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Nanos
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Sure, this thread is fine.

Look at Shetland Islands as the most probable to date location for a UK community, they have a nuclear free zone thing;

http://www.nuclearpolicy.info

So I'll have to remove that from the 'For' catagory.
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Klagis
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Copyright -
What practical reasons come to mind to you when you think of copyright?

Censorship-
What kind of censorship?
Preventing underage from viewing adult content? or restricting freedom of speech?(Hmm the answer is probably obvious)

Piracy-
Do you mean ugly men on boats or content piracy(p2p)?
What is the pros and cons of free content?

Illegal Drugs-
Do you mean you are against having drugs being illegal or you are against having drugs exist in our community that are currently illegal?
If we were to decide on what drugs were illegal instead of reusing what is currently illegal would there be changes? most common argument is weither or not marijuana is illegal.

Tax-
What about property tax, can we get rid of that too?

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http://www.thezeitgeistmovement.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=1905&func=view&catid=229&id=113969
That link there, weither its content is truthful or not, is one of the results of copyright that angers and scares me, I think its ridiculous that its all about profiting in the end(well for most people anyway)....With TV it is understandable to pay different fees for different things but the internet was made in its own way and you cannot market it the same way as TV unless the fees we pay now will stay the as the high priced version and constricted ones will be much cheaper
Edited by Klagis, Apr 30 2009, 03:50 PM.
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Nanos
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> What practical reasons come to mind to you when you think of copyright?

Keeping to the law.


> What kind of censorship?

Whatever the law of the land says.

Preventing underage from viewing adult content? or restricting freedom of speech?(Hmm the answer is probably obvious)


> Do you mean ugly men on boats or content piracy(p2p)?
Content.

> What is the pros and cons of free content?

The only aspect that really interests me at the moment is keeping 100% legal.


> Do you mean you are against having drugs being illegal or you are against having drugs
> exist in our community that are currently illegal?

The latter.


> If we were to decide on what drugs were illegal instead of reusing what is currently illegal
> would there be changes? most common argument is weither or not marijuana is illegal.

I would tend towards making illegal drugs legal as I reckon it would see a reduction in crime. Though you would still get issues such as with alcohol being a legal drug, so it wouldn't solve all problems, but it could well lesson a problem.


> What about property tax, can we get rid of that too?

Probably not, even if you could, it might well be in your best interests to pay it to keep the local council and taxpayers happy.


> That link there

We will just have to work within the limits of whatever the law is, though we can try and influence at some point with our own politicial party.
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Klagis
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Hmm I guess most of my questions were leaning towards the idea that if you get a big enough community you can influence the laws for yourself but your answers all make sense :P

Basically where I live there are municipalities within cities and sometimes municipalities have different laws then other ones but quite obviously not laws that are as globally argued upon as piracy and drugs. and I don't know what population you need to get a municipality or what laws they can effect but I'd reckon you need a lot less people then starting your own political party.

>I would tend towards making illegal drugs legal as I reckon it would see a reduction in crime. Though you would still get issues such as >with alcohol being a legal drug, so it wouldn't solve all problems, but it could well lesson a problem.

I would definitively argue that the issues with alcohol being a legal drug is simply the fact that in my opinion(Im talking about making all drugs legal but with alcohol as a basis) its much easier to attempt at curbing public rowdiness(when they are using drugs) then trying to curb drug running/drug orientated gang activity. A main reason is because public rowdiness has no need for guns while gang activity will most surely attempt at getting guns to ensure they make money off of such activities
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Nanos
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Yes, once we get a large enough community that can influence the laws, that I think is the way to go to change things from the top down at the same time as us working from the grass roots up.

And I also agree, that legalising things as much as possible, does make them overall easier to deal with, as you say, it removes the need so much for armed gangs.
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lordhockley
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I think where piracy is concerned you risk losing many supporters. Il admit that a great majority of my music is downloaded through peer-to-peer networks such as limewire or similar, however I think the general consensus among many, particularily the young, is that these companies have been fleecing us since records were still on vinyl. There is no way the price of a CD reflects the amount of effort put in. That is to say, the publishers etc, not the artist.

If I download Madonna's album I can rest quite well knowing she has unlimited money anyway - and so do those (practically) who produce and put it onto CD for us. However its an althogther different story when a band who has very little fan base but could potentially 'make it' cant when illegal downloads have destroyed them before they get a chance.

The same applies to software. Instead of artists however you have many programmers who are payed a set wage more than likely by microsoft or similar anyway.

The emphasis shouldnt be in my opinion on people NOT downloading things, but instead work out a way to get the industries to realise that they need to begin charging in the realistic zone.

If for instance it was possible to purchase unlimited downloads of music for £50 - £100 with a decent software package that enabled quicker and more comprehensive downloads, that would be better than simply trying to convict everyone.

And why companies such as Microsoft and Adobe hasnt put software down to around affordable prices Il never know. If Microsoft office was £25 or so in the shops, noone would ever bother downloading it!
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d_fine
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MUSIC SHOULD BE FREE!!

Robbie Williams gets over 100 million for 8 albums and can barely sing!
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Nanos
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> There is no way the price of a CD reflects the amount of
> effort put in.

I agree, the price is too high.

The retail industry takes a large slice of that as I understand, as such you might imagine music sold online would be cheaper. (Though I hate buying music that you cannot easily play on other formats, eg. you end up with it locked to one platform.)

> However its an althogther different story when a band who has
> very little fan base

Indeed.

> The same applies to software.

Indeed too!

I imagine something like what we have now with satellite film channels, where you pay a set amount each month and you can watch what you like.

So a subscription that lets you listen to what you want, watch what you want, and play what games you want, I think could be a way to reduce the cost to the consumer and make sure the producers get a decent slice. (Ideally over time you want to reduce the cost to the customer.)

> work out a way to get the industries to realise that they need
> to begin charging in the realistic zone

I think one way to do that is competition, eg. produce a good product and offer it below the industry standard to help push prices down, as once they see their sales hurting, then they will take notice and follow suite.

> If for instance it was possible to purchase unlimited downloads
> of music for £50 - £100 with a decent software package that
> enabled quicker and more comprehensive downloads, that would be
> better than simply trying to convict everyone.

Agreed.

http://www.spotify.com does free music nicely I notice.

> And why companies such as Microsoft and Adobe hasnt put software
> down to around affordable prices Il never know.

Business logic says you charge what the market can bare, not something I particularly agree with..

> If Microsoft office was £25 or so in the shops, noone would
> ever bother downloading it!

Indeed!


Thinking more about the mission statement, I've thought to change it to:

1. Industrial development and job creation.
2. Low cost rental housing and business units.
3. Sustainable community design.

I'm trying to keep it simple and uncomplicated, thoughts ?
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