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what does 4-H stand for?
Topic Started: Jul 12 2011, 09:39 PM (722 Views)
bloggyelf
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i know, head, heart, hands, and health. but i have to wonder. i was at the mall today, and there was some kinda big 4-H show going on. lots of arts and crafts and displays on all manner of subjects, photography, drawing, rocketry, geology and many others. the last set of tables i went to had some stuff about wildlife, including a poster about bats :bat: which i read with interest.

then i went around to the other side, where i found a display about guns. there was a poster explaining the basic parts and workings of a shotgun. i was shocked and disappointed that such a thing should be part of an exhibit put on by children. but then i saw something else. a picture of a 14 year old girl with a dead deer she had presumably shot, as the caption read 'my first buck'. the girl is kneeling next to the dead animal, gun in hand. 14 years old. i wish i could talk to her and ask her why she killed that animal, and why she would ever want to shoot something for no reason. and i intend to contact the local 4-H office tomorrow to voice my extreme disappointment with this exhibit. i can't help but think 4-H stands for something more like hunting, hypocrisy, hubris, and hate. how very sad.

edit: the 4-H Pledge:

I pledge my head to clearer thinking,
my heart to greater loyalty,
my hands to larger service
and my health to better living,
for my club, my community, my country, and my world.


don't see anything in there about slaughtering wildlife for no reason. ugh.
Edited by bloggyelf, Jul 12 2011, 10:04 PM.
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bloggyelf
Jul 12 2011, 09:39 PM
i wish i could talk to her and ask her why she killed that animal, and why she would ever want to shoot something for no reason.



She probably would have shot you.
Edited by Melcar, Jul 13 2011, 12:36 AM.
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it's hard telling these days. :fear:
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I find your response rather sad. How do you think people survived for generations bloggy? They hunted as well as gathered and farmed. It's a survival. Do you feel the same when a cow is slaughtered? I can tell you that process isn't nearly as humane as the shooting of a deer. Maybe today we don't need to hunt as often but there is nothing wrong with hunting for food.

Furthermore, being an avid gun show enthusiast as well as a member of the NRA ... oh, and a former 4-H member ... I have found that the youth in these groups have a genuine respect for these firearms. Don't fucking target these decent youth with your liberal complaints.
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there's a HUGE difference between hunting for food and shooting something for no reason. there's also a difference between hunting for food by choice or out of necessity, but that's a different issue. just to go out and shoot things for 'fun' is abhorrent. what exactly is the difference between shooting an animal for fun and shooting a person for fun? does the gun lobby think THAT is ok?

and there's NO reason that a 14 year old needs to be shooting anything or even using a gun. it's a horrible thing to involve a child in.
Edited by bloggyelf, Jul 13 2011, 07:18 PM.
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There are more pressing questions to be asked. Like, was she hot/cute?
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How do you know the girl killed the deer for fun, Bloggy?
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the display was called Shooting Sports, and what other reason could there be? regardless, encouraging/allowing children to kill things is beyond despicable.
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bloggyelf
Jul 13 2011, 07:17 PM
what exactly is the difference between shooting an animal for fun and shooting a person for fun?
I don't know, what's the difference between killing an animal for food and killing a person for food?
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very little. people are more harmful to the environment than other animals, but so few things kill humans for food it doesn't have much effect.
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Poor girl was going to get savagely mauled by a deer and Bloggy is complaining that she had to shot it dead.
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bloggyelf
Jul 14 2011, 01:34 PM
very little. people are more harmful to the environment than other animals, but so few things kill humans for food it doesn't have much effect.
Well you and I may have to go ahead and agree to disagree. Mostly I don't think the environmental impact is the main point that should influence morality.
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either way, if we don't vastly improve our environmental behaviors, morality is going to become a non-issue.
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Jul 15 2011, 01:08 PM
either way, if we don't vastly improve our environmental behaviors, morality is going to become a non-issue.
Can't improve the environmental issues until people realize that the Earth is a relatively closed system, with a limited amount of space and a limited number of resources for everything on it.
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Jul 14 2011, 02:55 AM
the display was called Shooting Sports, and what other reason could there be? regardless, encouraging/allowing children to kill things is beyond despicable.
Even called that, there's no indication that they didn't also take the meat from the animal to eat and convert the hide to something useful.

I actually wish I'd learned to clean a fish when I was a kid. I know how to catch them (actually doing it being a different thing entirely) but should something happen and society collapse and I'm not immediately killed, I could catch fish all day long and still be up shit creek without being able to properly clean them without contaminating the edible bits.
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