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Kira's push
Topic Started: Feb 7 2010, 08:43 PM (3,790 Views)
bloggyelf
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Dawkins also addressed a blurb at Muslim women who had been mutilated, basically telling them they should get over it. i doubt he'll be winning any awards from feminist or equal rights groups. meh, i wonder what his wife thinks about all that.
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bloggyelf
Jul 7 2011, 02:01 PM
Dawkins also addressed a blurb at Muslim women who had been mutilated, basically telling them they should get over it. i doubt he'll be winning any awards from feminist or equal rights groups. meh, i wonder what his wife thinks about all that.
No actually he's saying the exact opposite using irony.
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i don't see anything ironic in what they do to women in some countries, and i didn't read any into Dawkins' comment. hmm. Dawkins isn't a guy you would normally agree with anyway is he?
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Itīs all about your ironing technique.
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i don't own an iron and have not ironed anything for at least 15 years. :P

same goes for the golf kind. B)
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ya know the more i think about it, the more it seems like this issue isn't. the concept implies a society with standards, which we don't have, and an escape from our basest biological imperatives, which if we ever achieved is rapidly fading. dating and relationships barely even exist anymore, it's just copulation and reproduction. 'oh, hi, wanna fuck? yes/no kthxbye' it also implies that women don't objectify men in much the same way it is done to them, which they do. the whole thing is built around a fallacy. Reductio ad absurdum.
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bloggyelf
Jul 8 2011, 12:54 PM
i don't see anything ironic in what they do to women in some countries, and i didn't read any into Dawkins' comment. hmm. Dawkins isn't a guy you would normally agree with anyway is he?
I disagree with him on one very fundamental issue, yes, but that needn't necessarily affect our comparative stances on every single other issue. Regardless, I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him here, I'm saying that his comments are not intended to trivialise the suffering of Muslim women, but are sarcastically used to compare against this Rebecca's elevator situation.

"Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and... yawn... don't tell me yet again, I know you aren't allowed to drive a car, and you can't leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you'll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with."

Is this the quote you're referring to? He's being sarcastic. It's obvious he's being sarcastic. He's saying the exact opposite of what is above, namely that American women should stop whining because females overseas have it way worse. I disagree with that stance, by the way, although he also qualifies it by saying also that the elevator incident wasn't that big a deal. And I agree with him on that one. Rebecca's playing it up as a massive example of misogyny and it should be obvious that really, it's just unbelievably awkward and poorly timed. Maybe this person who liked her didn't see a better opportunity or whatever. Nonetheless, her using it as a basis to talk about how rampant misogyny is is a bit of an overreaction in my opinion.
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yeah, i think he is being sarcastic, but not funny, ironic, or appropriate. whatever his intent, he's making light of how Muslim women are treated.

anyway, it seemed to me that Watson's anti-misogyny tirade was aimed at the reactions she received from her recounting of the elevator incident, not at the incident itself. did she overreact to that incident? maybe, but as Amentep pointed out, it's awfully hard to say unless you witnessed it firsthand. maybe she left something out. maybe she has more reason then we know to have a strong negative reaction to such an event (ie for all we know she has been raped in the past). but from what i have seen she said something like "hey, in my view this was uncool" and what followed was a result of a massive backlash against her, including yet more rape and death threats (which she claims are a regular occurence for her). can you even imagine how it would affect you (or a female you love in the case of rape) to deal with threats like that on an ongoing basis? cuz i can't.

then again, maybe it was all a publicity stunt for her blog. this is the internet, after all.

Edited by bloggyelf, Jul 9 2011, 04:08 AM.
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Jul 9 2011, 04:02 AM
yeah, i think he is being sarcastic, but not funny, ironic, or appropriate. whatever his intent, he's making light of how Muslim women are treated.

No, he is literally being both ironic and sarcastic. There is no subjective measure to this, he IS making use of that literary device. And he is quite specifically doing the opposite of making light of it. You may feel he is doing it in a tasteless manner, but it is phrased to do exactly the opposite of making light of it.
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MORE :bat: :bat:

ARGH!

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Edited by bloggyelf, Jul 13 2011, 07:23 PM.
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4 :bat: :bat: :bat: :bat: in the last 5 days. 1 in apartment, 2 in hallway, 1 on sidewalk tonight when i got home. :angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:
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Didn't you move? Did they follow you? :fear:
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no didn't move yet. need to tho this has gone way beyond ridiculous. moving is a hassle tho. just finding a good place that allows cats can be tricky. ugh.
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Bats are cool guys. My dad used to catch them, then tag them and release and study their migratory habits or something. I didn't really get it but it was pretty cool.
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Jul 18 2011, 02:15 PM
Bats are cool guys. My dad used to catch them, then tag them and release and study their migratory habits or something. I didn't really get it but it was pretty cool.
They tend to carry rabies here.

And their poop can be problematic in a house.
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