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your thoughts on playing a lot of chars
Topic Started: Aug 11 2007, 09:53 PM (667 Views)
illboyzeus
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I think it's not a bad thing, it's fun and if you play more chars you have more options. I play Fox,Falco,Marth,Sheik,Falcon,Doc,luigi and honestly don't believe playing any of them more than the other detracts from one. I have pretty much mastered all technical aspects of my chars except doc/luigi and the only thing I would have to work on is mindgames. And I know that playing marth then playing fox will not mess up my mindgames with the other. maybe it's just me but I see no problem in playing multiple chars seriously.
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There's nothing wrong with it and i would favor this because i guess its like if you wanna learn your opponent then play different characer's to see their aspect or whatever. me n mag had this fight, he was maining link and he didnt want me to play link at all. But when he used Doc, he did some combo's i didnt think of and showed me some stuff i didnt know. Maybe its jus me cus i dont read smashboards often and know everything about specific characters, but thats my point of view.
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Kyle
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If you're just training by yourself or in friendly type play I think any amount of characters is fine, getting to learn them and whatever. But I think there is a point in tournament play where you will only be using your top 3 or so, so focusing on them would be a smart thing.
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illboyzeus
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but does anyone think it's possible to be tourney level with more than three chars. Most pros I seen at FC had like 5 different chars they used extremely well. I saw PC use Marth,Falco,Fox,Sheik and peach, with no real drop off between them.
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Kyle
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Yeah I'm sure it's possible. Probably not necessary, since a good line up of 3 characters can cover just about any match up; but I'm sure it would be fine if you wanted to put that much more time into it, and that much more tourney matches lost because of a character you are trying to learn.
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Endless Nightmares
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I'm sure most people know that I support playing multiple characters. As for using multiple characters in tourneys, I'm having mixed opinions. If you are skilled enough to use them, go for it. If you notice that only one of your characters really stands out about the rest, you need to focus on that one character and try to have one solid tournament secondary. I have learned that the ONLY character I'm any good with in tournaments is Samus. So I went (nearly) all-Samus at Ulti's free tourney today and I did very well. I may not have gotten far in the bracket, but I held my own against two players who are more skilled than I am, and I definitely played the best Smash I've ever played today.

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Aug 11 2007, 11:46 PM
Seanson's right, I basically went all-Samus in the free tourney, she's my only viable tournament character. I used IC once vs Meta and got my butt handed to me but I won with Samus first match. I also won first match with Samus vs Seanson, but both Meta and Seanson 2-0'd me after I won the first.


However, I continue to practice with most of the cast and I play every character in friendlies. I do this because by playing as the character I learn the ins and outs of that character, how they function, and even if I'm not very good with that character I'm constantly improving against that character. Plus it's just fun, practicing Samus all day every day gets boring FAST.
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Aug 12 2007, 05:00 AM

However, I continue to practice with most of the cast and I play every character in friendlies. I do this because by playing as the character I learn the ins and outs of that character, how they function, and even if I'm not very good with that character I'm constantly improving against that character. Plus it's just fun, practicing Samus all day every day gets boring FAST.

yup thats what i tried to say. end of topic :)
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illboyzeus
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Once you get to a level where you can technically perform every necessary move for a char, isn't it worth it to at least attempt to play them?
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Kyle
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Yeah I see what you're sayin'. I play a lot of characters in friendlies (except against Aaron) like Fox, Marth, Sheik, Falco, Captain Falcon, Mew2, Doc, and Luigi, and though you will see those last few very scarcely but I do use them. But then in a tournament I only feel comfortable using Fox and Marth, and sometimes Falco depending on who it is I'm playing and if I can think they can handle him or not.
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illboyzeus
Aug 12 2007, 12:10 AM
Once you get to a level where you can technically perform every necessary move for a char, isn't it worth it to at least attempt to play them?

Yes. Even though you may be good with the technical aspect, there is infinite room for improvement in other areas. The mental areas. Learning how to apply these moves at the right time, playing smart, and for a lack of a better term, "mindgames", are very important and you never stop getting better there.

Heck, I play the most technical Ganon around, I can perfect waveland/edgehop waveland with ease and do every crazy trick that Thomas Tipman can do, but my Ganon is half-decent at best. I have nowhere near mastered any smart gameplay with him and I usually just focus on being flashy. My Ganon shines in teams but in singles...meh.
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I think that when you're trying to develop your metagame, a huge part of it is being able to read what your opponent is going to try and do. Another huge part is being able to tell when things will work and when things won't work. Being able to recognize these things before they happen is such a giant step in becoming a better player. I don't think that a person would be as able to develop these skills when spreading their efforts over too many characters. My best two characters are fox and falco which have very similar movesets and weights/falling speed etc. I rarely stray from those two characters in singles tournament matches (where metagame development is at it's boiling point) and I think that it has brought me to the point where I'm beginning to notice the things I need to in developing the two skills I mentioned. If I were to be switching characters more often, I think I would have a much harder time keeping everything straight... There would be too many variables that would confound any mental pathways I would have developed.

In friendlies, I play probably every character except for yoshi, G&W, link, kirby, and ice climbers at a decent level. It's a lot of fun to use tons of characters in games that are strictly for enjoyment. This is especially true if playing time mode free-for-alls with SD -2 and score display.
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I have to agree on Zeus and James Sparrow on this one.

In Zeus' point of getting to a level in technical skill, I would not mind trying out that character against you guys. That's how I was with Fox for awhile, I didn't want to pull him out until I felt confident in my abilities to play him against you guys, my Samus and a few other characters are still in that stage, so you will see me mostly use Pika or Fox for now.

James Sparrow point of working on your metagame, I agree with, because I play my Fox and Pika almost close to similar, they have a few combos and moves that are alike. (All will be explained in Pika Guide later on.) I'm able to read what my opponents will be doing most of the time with both characters, and I'm getting the timing down to when I can attack out of a move or go after my opponent when they do a move with both of them as well. If I tried to get in a few more characters at that stage, it would become a little more difficult to keep a high level for each of them, say I would try to increase my metagame with Shiek, Samus, Ganondorf, there play styles are completely different, the way I play them, it would require me to make sure I know what I'm gonna do, and what my opponent would think I would do for each of them, that it would be difficult, let alone I have Pika and Fox to worry about as well.

But all in all, I do enjoy playing with every character now and then, regardless of my skill level with all of them, If I get bored I will pull out characters I don't normally play and play them against you guys. That's how I decided to play with GaW a lot more than often and realized I was getting good with him.
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I'm weird, I can change my playstyle on the go, one match falco, next fox, next sheik, then marth.
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lonejedi
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All you really need are 2 good characters for Tournament Play. Most of the really good players have their main guy, and then another guy to fall back on for counter picks. M2K has Marth, and then Fox. Ken has Marth, and then Fox. KDJ has Fox, and than Sheik. While all of them can play most characters at a high level, and do ocassionally use those characters, they generally stick with the main 2.

Like JS said, if you try to expand to multiple characters, you're going to start to lose the ability to see things. While if you stick to 1 character, you pick those things up much faster compared to having to do it with 5 different people.

I think it's best to start out with one top character, get most of the favorable and close match ups down, and then pick up a character that does good against your mains bad match ups.

I personally main sheik, and go almost all sheik during tournies, but when playing Ice Climbers, I can't do squat, so I have Peach as my secondary.

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The only problem I have with that strategy is that you'd be using your secondary to handle your main's bad matchups. Most people aren't quite as skilled with their secondary as they are with their main, so the advantage isn't as strong as it may seem.

What I'm trying to do is learn how to go against ALL characters with Samus. A one-trick pony of sorts.
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