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Fabre attacks = IP ban; also 50 post restriction comments here
Topic Started: Oct 15 2005, 02:33 AM (2,300 Views)
Chiascuro
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as several of you may be sick and tired of the never ending drama that plagues the loki woe scene AND the loki-boards agit standing thread, likewise, so am I.

starting Oct 15, 2005. all Flames (refer to rules) done by Fabres (New accounts made, to hide the posters identity) will, and without question or notification, be IP banned. You are being notified right now, and are being given 1 week to comply, full implimentation begins on Oct 22, 2005; next saturday.

perhaps some of you may think that this is harsh, or too strict. i believe that the perpetrators have brought this to themselves. the blatant disregard for rules, just because they can get away with it.

I remind you also that your democracy is not being robbed here. if you wish to say something, or have to accuse someone, do so. but make sure you can back it up with evidence, if not then at least be someone trustworthy enough to be believed in. fabre accusations get you nowhere, your easily discredited by the people you accuse on grounds of you being unreliable; a hearsay. to describe it colorfully, fabre attacks are like shots fired with blanks, noisy and blunt.

hopefully, today's siege aftermath will a lawful one.
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^way to go, mods :clap: this should have been done way,way back before ;)

awaiting for another fabre attack :blah: /gg no more? :bringon:
Pierce be with you!!! /gg

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Umm.. I have a question... How about those people who share a public ip? Like SmartWifi users, they share a public ip address. It would be unfair if all of them gets ban just because of the fault of one. ;)
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we are currently working, so that i actually do not have to IP ban anyone.
our fight against fabre attacks is actually a two-part process and the plan is still underworks, but my announcement right now is only step two and the final step against the defence against fabres. step one may as well have elimated the threat of fabre attacks and hopefully, when step one is implimented, i would never have to ban any IPs. but when it does come to that point where i have to ban the IP. i'm sorry for those shared IP addresses, the person who breaks step one is pretty determined, and if it requires the IP ban, then so be it.

i'm sorry, but sacrifices have to be made.
let's just hope that the chances of a fabre attack that passes through step one and happens to have a public IP will not occur.
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insight: not all posters use their own computers or have their own internet connections.. some play in internet cafes or connect through wireless hubs provided by restos or use a friend's computer..

you ban those ip addresses, it might affect innocent posters as well..



whoopsie.. looks like someone already said what i did.. /swt sawie i didn't read all posts.. i'd delete this post if i knew how...
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tama si ate..pero dami talga nag flame eh uncontrolable lalo na after siege post sila ng post d2 /e5
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Regal
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is there a way to make the account have to register from email, and allocate only one account per email? that way it will be too much trouble to make a new email then register then register again... just a thought
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Oct 15 2005, 01:47 PM
is there a way to make the account have to register from email, and allocate only one account per email? that way it will be too much trouble to make a new email then register then register again... just a thought

What do you mean? Diba ganyan ang registration ngayon? You have to check your mail in order to validate your account. And one cannot register w/ an email that has already been registered before.
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i have always been anti-fabre. in fact had an (almost) heated discussion here against fabres. however, there are three disadvantages of an IP ban, namely:

1. internet cafes normally share public IP thus may actually ban a whole cafe. this has already been mentioned above.

3. dial-up users have different IP everytime they connect.

2. posters can use a public anonymous proxy server while posting. you just end up banning a proxy server which is next to nothing.

instead, i suggest (for your consideration) the following:

1. forum accounts less than one (1) month (or any probationary period of time you may decide) shall have no posting priviledge. during the probationary period the account's forum access pattern may indicate potential fabre behaviour (i dont know if such statistics are possible to collect though).

2. ban foreign IPs when used by fabre. most (99%) free proxy servers are foreign IP.

3. if you decide to implement IP ban as originally planned, you may coordinate with the ISPs and carriers as most of them use a different subnet (IP range) for commercial (internet cafes) from individual (home DSL) subscribers.

for your consideration, madam minamota.
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Oct 15 2005, 02:28 PM
1. forum accounts less than one (1) month (or any probationary period of time you may decide) shall have no posting priviledge. during the probationary period the account's forum access pattern may indicate potential fabre behaviour (i dont know if such statistics are possible to collect though).

whaaat?

but that would discourage people from joining the forums wont it? imagine having to wait for a whole month before you can post /swt
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on my opinion, statring flames here in Loki Boards ay parang useless, they're just trying to mess around with people. mga peeps sana mabasa nyu to ha, lalo na ung mag starter ng flames, ragnarok laro lng to, kung may prob with the game eh mas maganda siguro kung sa game n mismo pag usapan and pag talunan, i think Loki board is developed to promote Loki server in a good manner, nkakahiya kung may mga mkakabasa ng mga nonsense messages /no1


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Oct 15 2005, 03:10 PM
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Oct 15 2005, 02:28 PM
1. forum accounts less than one (1) month (or any probationary period of time you may decide) shall have no posting priviledge. during the probationary period the account's forum access pattern may indicate potential fabre behaviour (i dont know if such statistics are possible to collect though).

whaaat?

but that would discourage people from joining the forums wont it? imagine having to wait for a whole month before you can post /swt

exactly to discourage fabre accounts. fabre accounts are made the day they want to post flames.

this is to force you to use your REAL account if you want to say something.
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thank you for expressing your concerns.
to address some:

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i have always been anti-fabre. in fact had an (almost) heated discussion here against fabres. however, there are three disadvantages of an IP ban, namely:

1. internet cafes normally share public IP thus may actually ban a whole cafe. this has already been mentioned above.

3. dial-up users have different IP everytime they connect.

2. posters can use a public anonymous proxy server while posting. you just end up banning a proxy server which is next to nothing.


please, i have already addressed the issue by saying that the IP is not the one and only way that we are preventing fabre accounts.
like i said, on my post above, that we are still developing the primary defence against fabre attacks, which i cannot disclose any info about it, to protect it from any loopholes.

now along with our current system, we're adding another, and the ultimatum: IP ban. now with all of this, we are hoping that this will discourage any fabre attacks. imagine, bypassing all the security measures just to flame. that would require, AFAIK a new email, one of our hidden requirements, and along with the fear of your IP being banned, either be playing in a cafe (which mind you are mostly DSL), on dial up, or having some way to have your IP changed. in the least, all of this would now make it more difficult for fabres, unlike how it was before where one merely makes a new account and posts. fabre attacks are now coordinated and lengthy in doing, and this, i pray would discourage the attacks.

i am hoping, that we elimate fabre attacks once and for all, but i know that is a very difficult task, and so even just to prevent a percentage of it is better than it was before.

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1. forum accounts less than one (1) month (or any probationary period of time you may decide) shall have no posting priviledge. during the probationary period the account's forum access pattern may indicate potential fabre behaviour (i dont know if such statistics are possible to collect though).


i agree with Crizzle here.
Forums, i believe, appeal to the newbies, they go to forums to ask for questions about the game. to require a 1 month period would remove the appeal of the forums being a help in itself.

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2. ban foreign IPs when used by fabre. most (99%) free proxy servers are foreign IP.


perhaps we can work with this.
but i'll leave that to the other admins who know which IP is which.

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3. if you decide to implement IP ban as originally planned, you may coordinate with the ISPs and carriers as most of them use a different subnet (IP range) for commercial (internet cafes) from individual (home DSL) subscribers.


maybe.
but with the measure we will be implementing, i doubt it would require the participation of the ISP providers themselves, and just for the sake of stopping fabre attacks.

not to fret, we will find a way, actually there already is, the problem is that it makes it more difficult for those who have no intention of creating fabre accounts, and we would not want that. :)

and you spelled my name wrong. D:

@arguement for cafe IP banned bans innocent people.

again, the IP ban is the last and final of procedure should the other defences break. if all our defences failed, and it's only the IP ban left, than that tells us alot. that the only way to stop fabre attacks is through IP banning, and without, we will have fabre attacks. the price may be heavy, but the choices have made themself present, which do you favor?
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