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Topic Started: Apr 22 2005, 11:53 PM (911 Views)
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since a lot of u have been concerned lately about warnings and such, we welcome suggestions from u guys in implementing a "redemption system" for the decrease of warn levels.

i'm sorry but apologies wouldn't suffice. it's so easy to make potshots or simpleng spams, then say sorry when u get warned for it. so easy that when the warn gets decreased, most posters would do it again. there's nothing wrong if ur warn stays a week, 2 weeks or even a month after it was issued. u can still post freely (as long as u r not under mod preview or had ur posting rights suspended). please don't badger the mods/admins about ur warn decrease. it is in their judgment whether to remove it, and when.

this is where we would welcome ur suggestions. post them here so we can better formulate a systematic warn increase/decrease policy.

/thx

PS: spams/senseless/irrelevant posts not welcome here.
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anikka
Apr 22 2005, 11:53 PM
PS: spams/senseless/irrelevant posts not welcome here.

Greetings,

This must be Strictly Follow, i suggest. :)
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i noticed that most members that have been warned before still retain their warnings for a very long time, and even until now it doesnt get decreased. what i want to say though is, remember before when Kzyranni's posted a topic which stated mechanics on how to lower your warning? like helping out in the post your build thread and overall good conduct. though the idea never pushed through, i myself still practice it. so far i have lowered the warnings of 2 posters who frequent the assassin section due to good conduct and being helpful.
imo a system to reduce warnings may be helpful, but simple good conduct and a helpful behaviour is enough to merit a warning decrease.

im all for the development of a system to reduce warns but there are several things you have to think about like. how many people actually care about their warns? does getting a warning mean anything? are there even any penalties for recieving a warn? if warnings were more serious, more severe then most probably you would not need a system to reduce warnings because each poster will put effort to avoid warnings.
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Hmmmmm

how about 1 month of good behavior = automatic 20% warn reduction?? 28+ days of good behavior should be enuf /ho

OT: i would like 2 follow up my request for warning removal. I still have that 20% warning from double posting last.... (*checks... wow....) Feb 5 2005, 10:08 AM /ho

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Hmm....good behavior....nope too easy.. ;) its gotta be better than that /ok
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Apr 23 2005, 12:48 AM
anikka
Apr 22 2005, 11:53 PM
PS: spams/senseless/irrelevant posts not welcome here.

Greetings,

This must be Strictly Follow, i suggest. :)

i wasn't joking when i said it the first time.

@nina
when i see that the poster is not a habitual spammer/double-poster/flamer, i remove the warning after a few days. and on one occasion, i decreased a poster's warn bcoz he was being helpful (that time) in an Agit Standings Thread. it may sound trivial but he was kinda reprimanding some guildmates for trying to incite flames, and he seemed sincere about it. had it been another poster, it wouldn't have been that big a deal to me, pero it was tyraeL. it was surprising to see him naninita ng flamers, instead of joining the flamers. it may sound too easy nina, pero what else is there left for them to do, other than showing good conduct and conscientiously avoiding getting warned.

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apprently, they do care. if u can only see my inbox.
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Apr 23 2005, 06:19 AM
Hmm....good behavior....nope too easy.. ;) its gotta be better than that /ok


Greetings,

cant really think of anything. Contributing with stat builds or zenny? helpn noobies? Or just kiss mod ass?
stat builds = not that usefull since all most everyone is well informed and we got mods to help with that.
zenny = just plain stupid
Helpn noobies = We got mods to help and noobs come by once in a blue moon
kissn mod ass = just plain stupid

So, I came up with the good behavior for a certain number of days. Similar to what we have in the real world. When people do something bad they go to jail. And once they have served their time, their are free to go.

I mean come on it’s a public forum about a game what other options do we have.

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ahm pano po kaya kung mag aaply sila na madecrease yung warn level nila, yung katulad sa mod application thread natin... tapos imomonitor natin sila kung nagbago nga sila or may good conduct sila in that given span of time... !^_^
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Apr 23 2005, 08:31 AM
ahm pano po kaya kung mag aaply sila na madecrease yung warn level nila, yung katulad sa mod application thread natin... tapos imomonitor natin sila kung nagbago nga sila or may good conduct sila in that given span of time... !^_^

Nice! This would actually give everyone a systematic fair way to decrease warns and hey this would also protect mods/admins from being badgered for warn decrements. Great Idea /no1

Also how about adding objective comments on why the warn was/wasn’t decreased.

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apprently, they do care. if u can only see my inbox.


is that so?
i guess im not as trigger happy when it comes to warning. :ph43r:
not that i mean it in a bad way.

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I mean come on it’s a public forum about a game what other options do we have.


exactly.

i would think though that the suggestion ^-mon has given is what goes through the heads of moderators upon see'ing a member with good conduct but with a warning. i myself have noticed that the posters in the assassin section had warnings and i had no idea where they came from. i found out later that it had been from double posting long ago to when they just signed up.
i believe that it's just a matter of decision for the mod, even without a system, the mod if he/she feels that this person deserves to have his warning removed should ask the questions why is there a warning, and how long has the warning been there.
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( ill speak in tagalog nalang since im really not good in speaking in english :lol: )

Sa tingin ko po, masmakakatulong sa ating mga Mods kung meron yung mga taong mag aaply para ma bawasan ang kanilang mga warning levels, dahil dito mas mapapadali ang trabaho natin ^_^ marereview natin at ma oobserbahan natin talaga kung karapatdapat na bawasan ang kanilang warnings... para ma subukan natin kung mabisa etong suggestion ko, gagawa ako ng Thread at subukan natin pigsain at surinin ang tama ^_^


P.S.: mas mahirap pa palang magsalita ng purong tagalog kesa sa ingles :lol3:
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an application?
it doesn't have to go that far.. simple observation and monitoring is enough imo.
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Apr 24 2005, 11:42 AM
an application?
it doesn't have to go that far.. simple observation and monitoring is enough imo.

An application would give a systematic way of removing warns which is what this thread is all about. In my opinion simple observation and monitoring isn’t enough because..
- Its one sided
- People with warns wont know if mods/admins still rember their warns
- People wont know why their warns aren’t lifted
- As a result of the following some will pm mods asking questions regarding their warns
- Mods/Admins may simply ignore private messages of members or leaving them hanging with the typical "we're really busy right now but rest assured that will do something bout it." message...
- May cause bias behavior
- Gives too much work to mod/admins
*These are not accusations. Although IMHO these are possible scenarios.

A systematic way of removing warns will give all individuals in LB the chance to be more involved with their forum accounts.

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An application would give a systematic way of removing warns which is what this thread is all about. In my opinion simple observation and monitoring isn’t enough because..


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- Its one sided


one of the qualities of members chosen to be moderators is making good decisions.
if a moderator decides to lower a warning, it is often times what is proper and should be done.

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- People with warns wont know if mods/admins still rember their warns


administrators have a warn log.
and every warn issued is logged within, including reasons why the warn was given.

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- People wont know why their warns aren’t lifted


moderators can choose to PM members when ever their warning bar recieves a change. therefore it is up to the moderator if he wants to inform the person recieving change. if the mod chooses not to inform that person, than it is up to the member to find out.
and even so, getting your warn reduced is nothing to worry about so why would you even want to know why it was lowered? you should be delighted that it was lowered.

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- As a result of the following some will pm mods asking questions regarding their warns


last time i checked privacy was an obligation.

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- Mods/Admins may simply ignore private messages of members or leaving them hanging with the typical "we're really busy right now but rest assured that will do something bout it." message...


may, but rest assured that we do not.

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- May cause bias behavior


biased in what way? the moderator not informing the warned member because of biasedness, and vice versa.
trust me, the moderators/admins are trying as hard as they can not to be biased in doing their job. and a job is a job, so people should not be immature and take things personally.

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- Gives too much work to mod/admins


simple observation is too much work than working through an application?

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*These are not accusations. Although IMHO these are possible scenarios.

A systematic way of removing warns will give all individuals in LB the chance to be more involved with their forum accounts.


granted.
if members really cared about their accounts they would abide in the rules. not all of us moderators warn upon see'ing a single infraction, i myself give a unofficial warning, if the member still continues doing infractions and doesn't heed my warning, than that is the time i issue a real warning.
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I miss debates /ho
Anyways lets keep this one clean ayt /gawi

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Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- Its one sided


one of the qualities of members chosen to be moderators is making good decisions.
if a moderator decides to lower a warning, it is often times what is proper and should be done.


Its one sided because there is only on side to this and that’s the moderators side. Most if not all power rests entirely on the moderator.

Minamoto
Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- People with warns wont know if mods/admins still rember their warns


administrators have a warn log.
and every warn issued is logged within, including reasons why the warn was given.


People with warns wont know if mods/admins still remember their warns because there’s nothing to keep them informed on their current status so if mods forgot about a persons warn then he would most likely have to live with that warn.

Minamoto
Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- People wont know why their warns aren’t lifted


moderators can choose to PM members when ever their warning bar recieves a change. therefore it is up to the moderator if he wants to inform the person recieving change. if the mod chooses not to inform that person, than it is up to the member to find out.
and even so, getting your warn reduced is nothing to worry about so why would you even want to know why it was lowered? you should be delighted that it was lowered.


Perhaps I should rephrace that to better explain my point. People sometimes wont know why their warns aren’t lifted because informing the user is entirely up the moderator. And yes people would be delighted that their warn level was lowered but I am speaking here of those accounts with warns that aren’t lowered? A system would give them peace of mind knowing that everything is the way it should be.

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Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- As a result of the following some will pm mods asking questions regarding their warns


last time i checked privacy was an obligation.


Correct me if I am wrong but are u trying to say that information with regards to my warn level is regarded as a moderators private information?

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Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- Mods/Admins may simply ignore private messages of members or leaving them hanging with the typical "we're really busy right now but rest assured that will do something bout it." message...


may, but rest assured that we do not.


Are you absolutely sure that mods/admins reply to every private message sent members as well as never leave them hanging? By left hanging i mean uninformed or clueless regarding their accounts warning status.

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Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- May cause bias behavior


biased in what way? the moderator not informing the warned member because of biasedness, and vice versa.
trust me, the moderators/admins are trying as hard as they can not to be biased in doing their job. and a job is a job, so people should not be immature and take things personally.


Yes I agree with however "tying as hard as they can not to be biased" isn’t really 100%. The system would remove even the possibility of bias since the application is laid out in the open and is subject to criticism by all.

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Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

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- Gives too much work to mod/admins


simple observation is too much work than working through an application?


Simple observation of one or five accounts is not too much work but simple observation of lets say 500 accounts in my opinion is. Having a systematic way would speed up the process as well as keep track of those individuals that are concerned with their account.

Minamoto
Apr 24 2005, 08:48 PM

granted.
if members really cared about their accounts they would abide in the rules. not all of us moderators warn upon see'ing a single infraction, i myself give a unofficial warning, if the member still continues doing infractions and doesn't heed my warning, than that is the time i issue a real warning.


Actually the system is intended for those who are concerned with the rules. Unfortunately people are human and the do make mistakes and when they do normally they would want to correct their mistakes. This system would give them direction on how to correct their mistake.

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