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Priest/High Priest Related Questions; The Acolyte Class Helpdesk
Topic Started: Jan 13 2005, 12:49 PM (7,852 Views)
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aside from that i think it is important for priests now to have a little dex so that you wont be instantly stripped during WOE
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if i were to rebuild my priest i'd drop vit and a little bit of int to have about 30+dex.
sanc is very useful in WoE and i regret not getting it. ;)
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basta ako hapi ko sa build ko cguro pag high prist n ako pede n ako mag lgay ng dex d pnman ako high prist e
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[Why No Dex?]

I've grown quite tired of people telling me that a Full Support Priest build should have less VIT and more DEX, and all the posts where people others how necessary it is for them to get DEX to speed up their skill casting. As such, I have added this section to explain why DEX is unimportant for a Full Support Priest build.

I will start by explaining what DEX does for you. Each point of DEX lowers the cast time of skills (that have cast times) by two thirds of a percent. To make that easier to remember, just keep in mind that for every 15 DEX, you've reduced the cast time by 10%. DEX has NO effect on the delay after a skill is used. This is a great stat for Wizards, as many of their skills take between 7 and 20+ seconds to cast...and even longer if they use a Phen Clip. Also, wizards have no defensive stats (their defense is their offensive capabilities), so taking 20 seconds to cast will lead to their cast being interrupted by an attack, or them getting killed. However, Full Support Priests are a completely different story. A Full Support Priest has four skills that have a cast time associated with them: Magnificat (5 seconds), Kyrie Eleison (3 seconds), Increase AGI (1 second), and Angelus (1 second). At the 1+14 DEX at Job 50, Magnificat will be 4.5 seconds, Kyrie 2.7 seconds, Increase AGI and Angelus 0.9 seconds. If you knock your VIT down to 95 to get DEX to 19, you will only be shaving about 0.6 seconds off Magnificat, 0.36 seconds off Kyrie, and 0.12 seconds off Angelus and Increase AGI. Reducing VIT to 80 to get 50 DEX will still only be shaving 1.6 seconds off Magnificat, 1 second off Kyrie, and 0.33 seconds off Increase AGI and Angelus.

Now let's talk about VIT. The examples below are for a 99/50 Priest with Matyr Shoes, PecoPeco Armor, and a Triple Vital Staff. Two examples will be given for each change.. one including an Andre Egg shield in the equipment, and one not including it. At 99 VIT and Job 50, you will have 10,926 hp, or 11,381 with an Andre Egg Shield. Reducing your VIT to 95 will drop your hp down to 10,722 (204hp drop), or 11,168 (213hp drop) with Andre Egg Shield. Reducing VIT to 80 will drop hp to 9,956 (970hp drop), or 10,371 (1,010hp drop) with Andre Egg Shield.

So, by reducing VIT to 95 to get DEX to 19, you sacrifice 204-213hp for a 0.12-0.6 second cast time reduction (on the four skills that have a cast time), and by reducing VIT to 80 to get DEX to 50, you sacrifice 970-1,010hp for a 0.33-1.6 second cast time reduction. This also means that by reducing VIT to 95, you sacrifice 61-64hp Kyrie Protection and 6 VIT defense with Angelus (4 natural, 2 from Angelus); and by reducing VIT to 80, you sacrifice 291-303hp Kyrie Protection, and 29 VIT defense with Angelus (19 natural, 10 from Angelus). Also keep in mind that the top end of the cast time savings is for Magnificat, a skill that is rarely used in the heat of battle.

Considering the enormous cost of dropping VIT compared to the negligable benefit of the added DEX, I conclude that dropping VIT to 80 in favor of getting 50 DEX is not a wise decision. However, if you still insist on getting *some* DEX, dropping VIT to 95 and getting DEX to 19 at some point in your build isn´t a terrible tradeoff...but re-read the numbers above and make that decision yourself.


From Xyzzy's Full Support Priest Guide. /no1
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i'm inclined to disagree with that post above. the trade-off between decreasing int/vit in favor of more dex is well worth it. those milliseconds shaved off from ur cast time can keep ur party alive, and ur emp healed. and faster magni is always a boon. especially during WOE and u're partied with hunters.

it's possible to get at least 40+ dex, if u don't mind dropping a few points in int and vit.

str 1 + 15
agi 1 + 4
vit 91 + 9 = 100 (for stun immunity)
int 94 + 15 = 109 (heal power 2.1k)
dex 41 + 14 = 55 (61 with 2 nimble rosaries)
luk 11 + 7

remaining stat pts: 0

gears:
quad vital staff: +4 vit +400 HP
with fledged shoes and no HP-enhancing armor: HP 9620/SP 1810
with green shoes and no HP-enhancing armor: HP 9688/SP 1676
with fledged shoes and pecopeco armor: HP 10511/SP 1810
with green shoes and pecopeco armor: HP 10689/SP 1676
accessories: SRs, 2 nimble rosaries, spore necklaces, spore rosaries..
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My preferred build for FS priests is atleast with 50-60 dex for faster support. One of the most FS priest stats in kRo. Int enough for 2100 heal and vit enough for stun immunity, then decent dex for fast support ;)
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I've grown quite tired of people telling me that a Full Support Priest build should have less VIT and more DEX


this is all wrong.
first of all, it's INT you exchange to raise DEX.
secondly, it's not for faster cast time but for strip resistance. the faster cast time is just a added benefit. a good one at that.

definately it's not smart to reduce any stat for faster cast time for a priest, unless your ME or Sanc priest. but for strip resistance, a little INT can be shaved off. im not saying 99 INT/99 VIT is bad, a little tweaking just makes it better.
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Feb 5 2005, 05:19 AM
i'm inclined to disagree with that post above. the trade-off between decreasing int/vit in favor of more dex is well worth it. those milliseconds shaved off from ur cast time can keep ur party alive, and ur emp healed. and faster magni is always a boon. especially during WOE and u're partied with hunters.

it's possible to get at least 40+ dex, if u don't mind dropping a few points in int and vit.

str 1 + 15
agi 1 + 4
vit 91 + 9 = 100 (for stun immunity)
int 94 + 15 = 109 (heal power 2.1k)
dex 41 + 14 = 55 (61 with 2 nimble rosaries)
luk 11 + 7

remaining stat pts: 0


May suggestion ako. Why not...

Vit 87 +13 = 100
Dex 47 + 14 = 55
2x Rosary of Spore
You'll have exactly the same total stats but with this build you'll have 4 stat points left. Shave 1 from LUK, you'll have 6 and you can get 1 more dex. Barat ko talaga sa stat points noh? :P


About the topic...
Haaayyy the should-I-get-dex debate again. :rolleyes: Back then, I'll probably have said getting dex for FS priests is a no-no. But based from what I've read from different guides, opinions I've heard and what I have actually experienced ingame since I started playing this game... the decision to get dex or not would simply be base on what type of priest you want. If you fancy a fast casting priest and less chances of getting stripped, then get dex. If you prioritize being makunat & higher heal over everything else (like me), then stick to 99 vit/int & don't get dex. The best char is the type you want, the one you're comfortable playing with. /no1
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Vit 87 +13 = 100
Dex 47 + 14 = 109


you have a typo.

anyways, i think SRs are one of the priorities a priest should have in their Equips window. it provides mDEF as well, so it's as good as the rosaries but with better usage. i'd hate to take out the rosaries, discover that im not poison resistant then have a sin drop venom dust on me, and crit lock me.
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Feb 5 2005, 11:46 AM
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Vit 87 +13 = 100
Dex 47 + 14 = 109


you have a typo.

anyways, i think SRs are one of the priorities a priest should have in their Equips window. it provides mDEF as well, so it's as good as the rosaries but with better usage. i'd hate to take out the rosaries, discover that im not poison resistant then have a sin drop venom dust on me, and crit lock me.

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Feb 5 2005, 11:38 AM
anikka
Feb 5 2005, 05:19 AM
i'm inclined to disagree with that post above. the trade-off between decreasing int/vit in favor of more dex is well worth it. those milliseconds shaved off from ur cast time can keep ur party alive, and ur emp healed. and faster magni is always a boon. especially during WOE and u're partied with hunters.

it's possible to get at least 40+ dex, if u don't mind dropping a few points in int and vit.

str 1 + 15
agi 1 + 4
vit 91 + 9 = 100 (for stun immunity)
int 94 + 15 = 109 (heal power 2.1k)
dex 41 + 14 = 55 (61 with 2 nimble rosaries)
luk 11 + 7

remaining stat pts: 0


May suggestion ako. Why not...

Vit 87 +13 = 100
Dex 47 + 14 = 55
2x Rosary of Spore
You'll have exactly the same total stats but with this build you'll have 4 stat points left. Shave 1 from LUK, you'll have 6 and you can get 1 more dex. Barat ko talaga sa stat points noh? :P


About the topic...
Haaayyy the should-I-get-dex debate again. :rolleyes: Back then, I'll probably have said getting dex for FS priests is a no-no. But based from what I've read from different guides, opinions I've heard and what I have actually experienced ingame since I started playing this game... the decision to get dex or not would simply be base on what type of priest you want. If you fancy a fast casting priest and less chances of getting stripped, then get dex. If you prioritize being makunat & higher heal over everything else (like me), then stick to 99 vit/int & don't get dex. The best char is the type you want, the one you're comfortable playing with. /no1

i also thought of that, but the stats i suggested makes leeway for those priests who may want to use SRs too. :)
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Feb 4 2005, 11:50 PM
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I've grown quite tired of people telling me that a Full Support Priest build should have less VIT and more DEX


this is all wrong.
first of all, it's INT you exchange to raise DEX.
secondly, it's not for faster cast time but for strip resistance. the faster cast time is just a added benefit. a good one at that.

definately it's not smart to reduce any stat for faster cast time for a priest, unless your ME or Sanc priest. but for strip resistance, a little INT can be shaved off. im not saying 99 INT/99 VIT is bad, a little tweaking just makes it better.

I think you shouldn't sacrifice too much int for dex. It's more likely to be vit. Priests don't need exactly 99 vit for support and survival. Yes, let's say you're kunat, but I think the job of the priest is to support the whole party. So what would be the point if you'll be the only one to survive and let all your party members die? Wouldn't it be better with a higher heal and faster support? sufficient vit not to be affected by status will be good enough for priests in my opinion.
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30-40 dex is ok
pero depende n din sa gumagamit un
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for me ang target stats ko is:
int 90 (w/o +)
vit 95 (w/o +)
and the rest is in dex... asteeg kc pag 2on2 eh :D /heh
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I think you shouldn't sacrifice too much int for dex. It's more likely to be vit. Priests don't need exactly 99 vit for support and survival. Yes, let's say you're kunat, but I think the job of the priest is to support the whole party. So what would be the point if you'll be the only one to survive and let all your party members die? Wouldn't it be better with a higher heal and faster support? sufficient vit not to be affected by status will be good enough for priests in my opinion.


sufficient VIT is 100 VIT, 99 base VIT is a bad decision. 100 Total is often times to way to go, with the help of triple vital staffs.
if you would have it compared, would the benefits of high INT (faster SP regen past 120, bigger Heal, bigger HP) or VIT's status immunity for sacrificing DEX. i would think they would rather lower INT just for the reason of WoE effectiveness (that's why they choose to sacrifice a stat for DEX; Anti Strip = WoE effectiveness), where almost everyone brings pots, Heal is reserved for wizards and low STR classes, and multiple priests allow you to sit to regen. if in leveling by all means get maximum INT, leveling in castle often times you'll get mobbed multiple times where your SP pool will be tested, and sitting is of no option.

i dont think the purpose of 100 VIT is to be makunat, but more on the status immunity.
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