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Red light cameras on Farmington Rd (6 Mile & 7 Mile intersections)
Topic Started: May 18 2012, 04:03 PM (3,881 Views)
KillrBuckeye
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Beware--red light cameras have been installed at the intersections of Farmington Rd and 6 Mile and 7 Mile roads. It's too bad. One of the things I liked about the area was the lack of red light cameras compared to other cities (Northville, Novi, Plymouth, Canton). The lines of cars waiting to turn left from Farmington onto 6 and 7 Mile are going to be ridiculous now that only 3 cars can get through per green arrow. As it is now I often have to wait 5-6 light cycles. This is just going to divert traffic into the local neighborhood streets IMO.
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I'm not upset about it in the least. Drivers are becoming more and more self-centered and distracted and are putting innocent people who obey traffic laws at risk.
It's a bummer when we have to wait at lights but it is a part of life.
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Those are not red light cameras they are intelligent traffic management systems that watch the lanes for the presence of cars then change the length of timing for the light for directions that have more or less traffic. Oakland county has been using a similar system for many years. http://www.rcocweb.org/Commuters/FAST-TRAC.aspx

Red light cameras and speed cameras are specifically banned in michigan by law.
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injuneer
May 18 2012, 08:05 PM
Those are not red light cameras they are intelligent traffic management systems that watch the lanes for the presence of cars then change the length of timing for the light for directions that have more or less traffic. Oakland county has been using a similar system for many years. http://www.rcocweb.org/Commuters/FAST-TRAC.aspx

Red light cameras and speed cameras are specifically banned in michigan by law.
Do you have a site for this?
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injuneer
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Try googling 'traffic signal control ITS' if you want more sites LPS. I can go into all sorts of detail about how the system works if you are having trouble sleeping tonight. The short version is the cameras being used these days replace the inductive loops that used to be placed in the pavement. They are much more effective although i have no idea where wayne county is getting all this money for intersection signal upgrades. I assume its some federal grant they received.
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injuneer
May 18 2012, 08:05 PM
Those are not red light cameras they are intelligent traffic management systems that watch the lanes for the presence of cars then change the length of timing for the light for directions that have more or less traffic. Oakland county has been using a similar system for many years. http://www.rcocweb.org/Commuters/FAST-TRAC.aspx

Red light cameras and speed cameras are specifically banned in michigan by law.
Ann Arbor has had them for some time as well...I never had a problem with the technology, seemed to work well...don't like the camera thing though!
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KillrBuckeye
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injuneer
May 18 2012, 08:05 PM
Those are not red light cameras they are intelligent traffic management systems that watch the lanes for the presence of cars then change the length of timing for the light for directions that have more or less traffic. Oakland county has been using a similar system for many years. http://www.rcocweb.org/Commuters/FAST-TRAC.aspx

Red light cameras and speed cameras are specifically banned in michigan by law.
Wow, thanks for that information injuneer! I feel pretty stupid now. I wonder how many other people think all those cameras are revenue generators? I know on a handful of occasions I have been expecting a ticket in the mail, but nothing ever came. It makes sense now!
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Its a very common misunderstanding buckeye. wayne county does a terrible job educating the public about their activities anyway.
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Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Edited by f11, May 21 2012, 06:58 PM.
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May 21 2012, 05:45 PM
Its a very common misunderstanding buckeye. wayne county does a terrible job educating the public about their activities anyway.
There we go with Wayne County again...maybe we need a commissioner who can do a better job of informing their constituents
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
You are right. The intersection is an absolute mess now. North-south traffic gets backed up for about 1/4 mile during afternoon rush hour every day, while all east-west traffic gets through in a single light cycle. I really hope the explanation is that the "intelligent" traffic management system is not functioning properly yet. Traffic flow was MUCH better when the lights were on timers. It takes about 10 minutes to get through the intersection on my way home from work, so I've resorted to driving through the neighborhood on the west side of Farmington Rd.

injuneer, any idea who I can contact to make sure the people responsible are aware of the situation?
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Phil Mcguire 734-955-2346 is the engineer over traffic in wayne county or you can call the field office 734-595-6504.
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f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Don't complain when your "shortcut" gets you a ticket. Having said that, traffic is REALLY backed up N/B on Farmington south of Six Mile at about 7:45 AM. So far these sensors appear to be good in theory, but poor in execution. We will see........
Edited by RU Kidding Me?, May 23 2012, 03:29 PM.
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f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Did shortcut again today, works perfect. Just sit in the parking lot for 30 seconds to avoid ANY chance of a ticket. ;)
They really messed that intersection up.
Edited by f11, May 23 2012, 05:57 PM.
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May 21 2012, 08:34 PM
injuneer
May 21 2012, 05:45 PM
Its a very common misunderstanding buckeye. wayne county does a terrible job educating the public about their activities anyway.
There we go with Wayne County again...maybe we need a commissioner who can do a better job of informing their constituents
Our commish is an old teacher looking to feed at the public trough, like many other little piggies...lifetime health care on your dollar, money from the Ficano machine, nepotism with the full approval and blessings, great checks and benefits for relatives, too many commissioners. I'd like to see and independent efficiency consultant come in and see where the rest of the waste is located.

Incumbants looking something to stick their nose and fingers into, to see what happens, without a clue, that something might really matter.

I'm all for a new commish!! Ms. Cox is ok with me, but I am not in her district.
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f11
May 23 2012, 05:47 PM
f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Did shortcut again today, works perfect. Just sit in the parking lot for 30 seconds to avoid ANY chance of a ticket. ;)
They really messed that intersection up.
Sitting for 30 seconds does NOT prevent you from getting a ticket. Buying gas, gum, etc., or making an eye appointment prevents you from getting a ticket. To avoid ANY chance of a ticket you have to show you actually had business to conduct in the lot you cut through. There is no time limit. Why not avoid the light by going thru Francavilla and use actual streets? That's probably even faster. BTW, I could care less if you cut thru or not. It doesn't affect me either way. I just don't want to hear you complain when you get a ticket.
Edited by RU Kidding Me?, May 24 2012, 09:01 AM.
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f11
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RU Kidding Me?
May 24 2012, 08:51 AM
f11
May 23 2012, 05:47 PM
f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Did shortcut again today, works perfect. Just sit in the parking lot for 30 seconds to avoid ANY chance of a ticket. ;)
They really messed that intersection up.
Sitting for 30 seconds does NOT prevent you from getting a ticket. Buying gas, gum, etc., or making an eye appointment prevents you from getting a ticket. To avoid ANY chance of a ticket you have to show you actually had business to conduct in the lot you cut through. There is no time limit. Why not avoid the light by going thru Francavilla and use actual streets? That's probably even faster. BTW, I could care less if you cut thru or not. It doesn't affect me either way. I just don't want to hear you complain when you get a ticket.
Wow, so if I stop and park for 30 seconds a cop will still give me a ticket?
They really have nothing better to do?
How does he know if I changed my mind about "conducting business" or left my money at home.
Are we living in some sort of police state now?

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f11
May 24 2012, 09:30 AM
RU Kidding Me?
May 24 2012, 08:51 AM
f11
May 23 2012, 05:47 PM
f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Did shortcut again today, works perfect. Just sit in the parking lot for 30 seconds to avoid ANY chance of a ticket. ;)
They really messed that intersection up.
Sitting for 30 seconds does NOT prevent you from getting a ticket. Buying gas, gum, etc., or making an eye appointment prevents you from getting a ticket. To avoid ANY chance of a ticket you have to show you actually had business to conduct in the lot you cut through. There is no time limit. Why not avoid the light by going thru Francavilla and use actual streets? That's probably even faster. BTW, I could care less if you cut thru or not. It doesn't affect me either way. I just don't want to hear you complain when you get a ticket.
Wow, so if I stop and park for 30 seconds a cop will still give me a ticket?
They really have nothing better to do?
How does he know if I changed my mind about "conducting business" or left my money at home.
Are we living in some sort of police state now?

They can write the ticket and you can go to court and try to prove you forgot your money, etc. However, that's a few hours of your time. If you're a business owner you certainly don't want people cutting thru your lot. I'm not going to be baited any further by your stupidity. In a way I feel sorry for you. Having to live with this "they are out to get me and everything sucks" mentality you frequently express doesn't sound like much fun. Have a great day!
Edited by RU Kidding Me?, May 24 2012, 11:43 AM.
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RU Kidding Me?
May 24 2012, 11:31 AM
f11
May 24 2012, 09:30 AM
RU Kidding Me?
May 24 2012, 08:51 AM
f11
May 23 2012, 05:47 PM
f11
May 21 2012, 06:57 PM
Traffic flow is now terrible south bound on farmington at 6 mile.
Faster to go thru the parking lot now for a "shortcut" or get stuck for about 5 light changes;)
Did shortcut again today, works perfect. Just sit in the parking lot for 30 seconds to avoid ANY chance of a ticket. ;)
They really messed that intersection up.
Sitting for 30 seconds does NOT prevent you from getting a ticket. Buying gas, gum, etc., or making an eye appointment prevents you from getting a ticket. To avoid ANY chance of a ticket you have to show you actually had business to conduct in the lot you cut through. There is no time limit. Why not avoid the light by going thru Francavilla and use actual streets? That's probably even faster. BTW, I could care less if you cut thru or not. It doesn't affect me either way. I just don't want to hear you complain when you get a ticket.
Wow, so if I stop and park for 30 seconds a cop will still give me a ticket?
They really have nothing better to do?
How does he know if I changed my mind about "conducting business" or left my money at home.
Are we living in some sort of police state now?

They can write the ticket and you can go to court and try to prove you forgot your money, etc. However, that's a few hours of your time. If you're a business owner you certainly don't want people cutting thru your lot. I'm not going to be baited any further by your stupidity. In a way I feel sorry for you. Having to live with this "they are out to get me and everything sucks" mentality you frequently express doesn't sound like much fun. Have a great day!
I was just giving some advise on how bad that intersection is and what "I" did to avoid it. Earlier in the year, when cops were in my neighborhood, I was again giving people the heads up not to speed...not sure how I say "everything sucks"

So thanks for the lecture mom ;)
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MICHIGAN VEHICLE CODE (EXCERPT)

257.611 Traffic control devices; obedience required; exception; avoiding obedience by driving on public or private property; violation as civil infraction.

Sec. 611.

(1) The driver of a vehicle or operator of a streetcar shall not disobey the instructions of a traffic control device placed in accordance with this chapter unless at the time otherwise directed by a police officer.

(2) The driver of a vehicle shall not, for the purpose of avoiding obedience to a traffic control device placed in accordance with this chapter, drive upon or through private property, or upon or through public property which is not a street or highway.

(3) A person who violates this section is responsible for a civil infraction.
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