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| Would You Support Randy's Bond?; Why, or Why not? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 1 2012, 03:31 PM (2,479 Views) | |
| LPS Reformer | Apr 1 2012, 03:31 PM Post #1 |
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Randy is going tooth and nail to get this bond passed. What are your thoughts? Show your support, or lack thereof: |
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“Child Abuse” means different things to different people.... ----Randy Liepa 8/9/12 | |
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| Justasking | Apr 1 2012, 04:04 PM Post #2 |
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Our newest school is Churchill. 1967, if I recall correctly. We need new facilities. We need new technology. Bottom line, we need to invest. If you want to attract and keep students, you need to "keep up with the Jones' " Flame away |
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| LPS Reformer | Apr 1 2012, 06:21 PM Post #3 |
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As you wish.........
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“Child Abuse” means different things to different people.... ----Randy Liepa 8/9/12 | |
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| Retired | Apr 1 2012, 08:46 PM Post #4 |
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Who are the Jones's? And how do you keep up with them? In my opinion, there is zero chance our district can afford to build any new facility. We cant keep up with the Jones's right now. Hell, the Jones's cant keep up with the Jones's! But we can be who we are, not who we used to be. And that is a lot better than some of our neighboring districts. Give me a realistic plan before a vote, and one that will not be drastically changed afterword. Invest, yes, but invest wisely and reasonably. We don't need all the "bling" if we have good neighborhoods, reasonable home prices, and low taxes. We have all that now, and young families can't get "bling" mortgages like they used to, which leaves Livonia in a good spot. We need to embrace who we are, and take advantage of it. |
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| LPS Reformer | Apr 1 2012, 09:04 PM Post #5 |
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The current plan handed out at the Kennedy foum included things like, skylights and a "starbucks like" area. This isn't bling, this is grandious consumption to the point of vulgarity. |
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“Child Abuse” means different things to different people.... ----Randy Liepa 8/9/12 | |
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| Justasking | Apr 1 2012, 11:43 PM Post #6 |
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Reformer: Loved the fire pic.....made me laugh! |
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| 134K | Apr 2 2012, 06:56 AM Post #7 |
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Not so sure about a starbucks area unless starbucks pay for it, but... Windows on our buildings are ancient and not energy efficient, some classrooms can't support newer technology without major renovations because they were never built to sustain anything more than a chalkboard and a movie projector. That terrible gas smell you smell outside of many buildings in the winter is because the boilers are aging. There are a lot of basic IMO maintenance things that need to be done and I don't think we can educate children to be part of the 21st century with buildings whose access to technology is 60 years old. |
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| daytripper75 | Apr 2 2012, 09:19 AM Post #8 |
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I had to drop something off at Edison Elementary in Westland a few weeks back. I was completely floored by how NICE that school was and how it makes the two elementary schools that my children attend look like...like...not very nice buildings. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennmorgandotcom/4627752505/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennmorgandotcom/4628355414/in/photostream/ There were so many new windows, the school was full of light. The display cases and furnishings in the office looked new. The library was bright and full of books. The landscaping was simple but well kept. The walls and trim were painted in nice colors. I can't imagine that this building was much newer than any of the LPS elementary buildings. It bothered me that we haven't really updated any of our buildings in this way. |
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| Mrs.M | Apr 2 2012, 09:41 AM Post #9 |
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All buildings are just bricks and mortar; it's the people who make the schools what they are (or aren't). |
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| srj900 | Apr 4 2012, 06:46 AM Post #10 |
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Kind of like painting the Golden Gate bridge. By the time they are finished, it is time to start painting again. In thirty years, is the technology being proposed for the schools through this bond going to be obsolete? So, in my opinion, it is going to be a perpetual asking for more of our dollars. I say use that sinking fund to fix up one school at a time. That way they can keep a better eye on the money. Lord knows they have had difficulty with that in the past. |
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| Justasking | Apr 4 2012, 10:13 AM Post #11 |
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Think about that: One School at a Time. Say 1 a year, as you have to do signification work during the summer only. There are 3 High Schools There are 3 Jr Highs There are 3 Upper Elementary There are 12? Elementary? 21 Schools. 21 Years. Of course the first ones will be outdated by the time you get to the last. Technology moves fast. Yes, you will be perpetually spending on schools. Just like you perpetually spend on your house. Take you and 20 of your neighbors. More than 1 major project gets done per year among your group. School are no different. Even if the schools were all new, they would need new roofs, boilers, parking lots, etc in 20 years. Obviously not all at once, but the need would be there. We are dealing with old buildings. It is time to upgrade/replace. |
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| RU Kidding Me? | Apr 4 2012, 10:19 AM Post #12 |
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We are dealing with old buildings. It is time to upgrade/replace. I am not going to pay to upgrade or replace anything until we upgrade and replace LIEpa. |
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| DontTreadOnMe | Apr 4 2012, 03:24 PM Post #13 |
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If the bond gets approved, does that mean Randy is going to want another raise? |
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| DADDYOH10 | Apr 5 2012, 02:32 PM Post #14 |
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Time to "upgrade / replace" the administration of this money grubbing LPS system. The problem is not enough money or how it it used (at least primarily), it is the way the systemic problem of a poor leadership (ie. Liepa). "Lead, follow or get out of the way". I thought we were the leaders in education. We used to be. We used to be the Jones! Now after years of LPS leaking money all over the place, like every where else, it time to replace and uprade to new leadership. Transparency is one valuable commodity we do not have here, as the board meets and agrees on issues much like the Governor's emergency managers...in secret. Where is all the foresight that good, not even great, leaders possess? We have not seen it here, or there would not be this type of mess. If other districts do it better than us as others here have testified to, then we have been lacking, and not for money...for real leadership, not some way to game the system and get the rest of the players (including administration and staff) to share that view, as we have seen in Livonia over the past 20 or so years! Time to wake up, move your feet to the voting booth and start voting smarter...or we will be the "has beens". |
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| Mrs.M | Apr 5 2012, 04:34 PM Post #15 |
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Don't you see it coming? Think about this reality/possibility in the not too distant future... Eventually a big chunk of the education system will be online, not just for the post secondary schools. Online ability will allow access 24/7. Children have different sleep habits, teens need to sleep later (because they're going to bed so much later). No more concerns of spreading MRSA or meningitis. No need for upgrading any building, or being concerned with utility conservations. Classroom teachers will be replaced; good news though high school athletics will be decades before they're gone. |
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| DADDYOH10 | Apr 9 2012, 04:22 PM Post #16 |
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INTERESTING, VERY INTERESTING! Somehow though, the children (young adults?) need the climate of social interaction to grow in the ways of the world. They can not be home schooled in those areas, unless you want them to lead a sheltered, stunted life experience. |
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| Mrs.M | Apr 9 2012, 09:04 PM Post #17 |
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Don't you know about fb and the future downtown Livonia? - a place to just hangout, and for something to do. |
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| DADDYOH10 | Apr 9 2012, 09:43 PM Post #18 |
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Yes, I do. Kinda...I'm following that lame idea as well...easy to track right now as it is lame (as far as I'm concerned). As an idea on its own, it is not too bad, just way too late, and now, not really economically feasible. Other cities that have a "downtown" seem to have had wiser leaders at their helms than we have had here. I think "retrofitting" this concept into our situation is either a scam at worst or an idea whose time has past, at best. Edited by DADDYOH10, Apr 9 2012, 09:45 PM.
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| Doctor_Bojangles | Apr 10 2012, 11:24 PM Post #19 |
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I picked #4.. I think the buildings could use some modest upkeep but nothing else. No skylights or Starbucks. I would put a put in a 20 year plan on what to do with the buildings. The ones we are keeping should be getting the more attention, the ones we are retiring due to age or enrollment would be limped along. I don't feel good about voting YES with the current Super in place.. I would have to think about it some more. |
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| DADDYOH10 | Apr 12 2012, 04:33 PM Post #20 |
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Hey Doc...while your're thinkin' 'bout it....this is another AUGEST vote and, for the most part, we know how those are gauged by the powers that be...lower, less mobile sort of turnout, low to be be predictable. Once again a "summer vote". This is the same pattern that most of these things follow. Gee!! I wonder why (or what is the excuse this time)? |
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