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Livonia City Primary Election Discussion; Who will you vote for and why??
Topic Started: Jul 29 2009, 03:31 PM (2,086 Views)
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We have no one to blame but ourselves. You don't have to dig deep for votes, just scratch the surface.
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I got a HUGE McCann mailer today made out of very thick stock. it must have cost a pretty penny.
I got a chuckle out of deceased former Mayor McNamara endorsing him!
I believe that this was done in poor taste, IMO. The mailer clearly reads the following;

"Past and Present Mayors endorse a leader."

Enough said, on my part. It's been a few years since Ed McNamara passed away and I can't believe that Jim McCann would put this in his literature.
I didn't look that closely at first, but I agree. Very poor taste...
but when you're trying to take Kirksey's place as council president, the sky's the limit!
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https://www.michigandaily.com/content/ed-mcnamara-dies-age-79

Ed McNamara dies at age 79
Detroit-area political power broker mentored many of state's top officials

February 20th, 2006
DETROIT (AP) - Former Wayne County Executive Edward McNamara, a throwback to the political power brokers of an earlier day and mentor to leading state Democrats including the governor, has died. He was 79.

McNamara died early yesterday of heart failure at Harper Hospital, said family spokesman Tim Johnson.

"We will miss his kindness, his compassion and his wit," McNamara's family said in a statement. "We celebrate his life and his many accomplishments and contributions that he made to Wayne County and the entire region.

"He was a great builder of infrastructure and he also believed in investing in people."

As chief executive of Michigan's most populous county from 1987-2002, McNamara oversaw a work force of more than 5,000 people and an annual budget of nearly $2 billion. He was mayor of Livonia from 1970-86.

He devoted much of his energy to improving Detroit Metropolitan Airport. A $1.6 billion makeover had as its centerpiece the lavish, spacious terminal designed by its main tenant, Northwest Airlines, and formally called the Edward H. McNamara Terminal at Northwest World GateWay.

McNamara, a Democrat, also mentored members of the party in the state, including Jennifer Granholm, the one-time county corporation counsel who went on to become state attorney general and now is governor; former Wayne County Prosecutor Mike Duggan, now CEO of the Detroit Medical Center; and former U.S. Attorney Saul Green.

"To those of us who had the privilege of working for him, he gave a sense of possibility, toughness and duty to serve others," Granholm said in a statement.

McNamara's organization also played a significant role in Kwame Kilpatrick's election as mayor of Detroit in 2001.

"Politicians of today, from me to Governor Granholm, have taken a page out of the McNamara political play book from time to time, and his influence on Michigan politics is etched in stone," Kilpatrick said.

McNamara eliminated the $135 million deficit he faced upon taking office, restored the county's bond rating on Wall Street to investment grade and started construction on a new juvenile detention facility in Detroit.

McNamara also helped negotiate deals for new baseball and football stadiums in downtown Detroit and launched an environmental initiative to clean and preserve the Rouge River and other waterways.

Following his death, Democrats weren't alone in sharing memories of McNamara. L. Brooks Patterson, a Republican and county executive for Oakland County, which borders Wayne County, said: "I loved Ed McNamara. We never let politics get in the way of our friendship. He was truly a mentor to me."

In McNamara's honor, flags were to be flown at half-staff on the Wayne County building in downtown Detroit, said current Wayne County Executive Robert Ficano.

"Mr. McNamara spearheaded economic development investments that continue to expand and grow the region and the state," Ficano said. "His legacy is far reaching and leaves an unsurpassed imprint on Wayne County and the state of Michigan."

McNamara's 40 years in politics, however, ended under a cloud of suspicion.

FBI agents and state police raided his office in November 2002, seeking evidence for a federal grand jury investigating alleged corruption in airport contracts and campaign fundraising by his administration. McNamara was never charged.

McNamara said he learned Dec. 31, 2002 - his last day in office as county executive - that he had been diagnosed with a rare form of cancer of the infection-fighting lymphatic system. He received experimental radiation treatments followed by chemotherapy.
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I also received McCann's brochure. It does not say that McNamara endorses him. It has a photo of him w/McNamara, so I think that the posts above are stretching the truth a bit.

Speaking of poor taste, I see that Joe Laura's endorsement list (http://www.joelaura.org/endorse.htm) includes a person whom I have heard has Alzheimer's disease, so I wonder if that person is of sound mind for lending his endorsement.

And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
Edited by Queen of Hearts, Aug 29 2009, 05:00 PM.
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Aug 29 2009, 10:28 AM
I also received McCann's brochure. It does not say that McNamara endorses him. It has a photo of him w/McNamara, so I think that the posts above are stretching the truth a bit.

Speaking of poor taste, I see that former school board member Ken Timmons is on Joe Laura's endorsement list (http://www.joelaura.org/endorse.htm). I have heard that Timmons has Alzheimer's disease, so I wonder if he is of sound mind for lending his endorsement.

And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
You know that he has Alzheimers, or is he just acting a lot like 'ol Jack lately?
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Aug 29 2009, 10:28 AM
I also received McCann's brochure. It does not say that McNamara endorses him. It has a photo of him w/McNamara, so I think that the posts above are stretching the truth a bit.

Speaking of poor taste, I see that former school board member Ken Timmons is on Joe Laura's endorsement list (http://www.joelaura.org/endorse.htm). I have heard that Timmons has Alzheimer's disease, so I wonder if he is of sound mind for lending his endorsement.

And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
What's in poor taste is putting someone's personal medical history out there, QofH--then, suggesting that they are incompetent. Yikes. Even for you, this is damn mean and reckless.

You'd better be more careful when you hide behind your screen name and call people "not of sound mind." Others are suing others for their irresponsible blogging (defamation of character) and service providers are revealing identities by court order.

Most Livonia voters are not going to clue-in that McNamara is dead. Using this photo front and center--in what is an extremely expensive mailer--is misleading.

AND, everyone, please know that "endorsing"--even for "alive" people--does not mean that they are going to vote for McCann. It's a political ploy to use the word "endorse," which people often assume means their "vote." It means nothing--as we can see by Mr. McCann's ploy. Dead men (usually) don't vote..

What we should be wondering is where an attorney, who can't even proofread his own professional website, is getting several tens of thousands to print mailers like this? Oh, that's right, he's the anointed to the $103,000-salary, plus benes, plus pension--the current mayor receives.




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Patrice Mang is just endorsing Lynda Scheel to get her the heck out of the BOE.
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Many politicians use old photos especially if it could attract a vote or two. Marecki, McCann and Kirksey city website photos are each probably 10 years old.

The candidates though need to get their mailings proofread. Proofread, proofread, proofread. If you're going to pay that much for a mailing, it should pass the punctuation, spelling and grammar tests with flying colors.
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Aug 29 2009, 10:28 AM
And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
what's yer point, Queen?
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Aug 29 2009, 12:06 PM
Patrice Mang is just endorsing Lynda Scheel to get her the heck out of the BOE.
I told this message board that Mang was suspicious! Now she endorses Schill?? Low as she can go.
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Aug 29 2009, 12:31 PM
Many politicians use old photos especially if it could attract a vote or two.
and I would venture the picture of Jack in the City of Livonia Fall News is probably from his first term of office
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Aug 29 2009, 10:28 AM
I also received McCann's brochure. It does not say that McNamara endorses him. It has a photo of him w/McNamara, so I think that the posts above are stretching the truth a bit.

Speaking of poor taste, I see that former school board member Ken Timmons is on Joe Laura's endorsement list (http://www.joelaura.org/endorse.htm). I have heard that Timmons has Alzheimer's disease, so I wonder if he is of sound mind for lending his endorsement.

And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
Hmmmm, perhapes the person you spoke to was thinking of ol' Jack's younger brother.

PS Too bad this wasn't the brother to go into politics.

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Vice Admiral Robert E. Kirksey passed away on December 16, 2006, in Ft. Myers, Florida, as a result of complications from Alzheimer's Disease. He was the brother of former Livonia Mayor Jack Kirksey.
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What is the chain of command if a Livonia mayor resigns?
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If memory serves, it is the president of the city council.
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If memory serves, it is the president of the city council.
ergo, the plethora of McCann signs!
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City Elections are held in odd numbered years. Following the election...top vote getter becomes president of council and (I believe) second place becomes vice-president.


From Livonia City Ordinance

2.04.060 President--Powers and duties.
The president shall perform the duties of the mayor when on account of absence from the city, disability, or otherwise, the mayor is temporarily unable to perform the duties of the office, and in case of vacancy in the office of mayor, until such vacancy is filled by election.

From Livonia City Charter

Section 6. Mayor Pro Tem. In case of the absence or disability of the Mayor, the President of the Council shall perform the duties of the Mayor during the period of such absence or disability: Provided, however, that he shall not have the power of veto; and shall not have the power to remove the director of any department during any period in which he shall act in the capacity of Mayor until he has so acted for a period of thirty (30) consecutive days during such period, and no appointment made by him shall be permanent until such appointee shall have served for a period of sixty (60) days following his appointment.

Section 6.1 Mayor-Vacancy. Whenever a vacancy occurs in the office of Mayor, the President of the Council shall serve as Mayor until such time as a new Mayor is elected; provided, that should the next ensuing election following the vacancy be a regular City election for the office of Mayor, the President of the Council shall serve the remainder of the unexpired term and the vacancy thus created on the Council shall be filled as provided elsewhere in this Charter. Whenever such vacancy in the office of Mayor shall occur not less than sixty (60) days prior to either the next regularly scheduled State primary election or City primary election for City offices other than Mayor, the President of the Council shall serve until the vacancy is filled by election and the Council shall order a special election to be held concurrently with either the next regular State election or the City election. The person elected at said special election shall hold the office of Mayor for the remainder of the unexpired term. A special primary election for the nomination of candidates for such vacancy shall be held concurrently with the regular City primary election prior to such election. The election and the primary election shall be in such a manner as is provided by this Charter and State Law.

When as a result of a vacancy in the office of Mayor, the Council President assumes the office of Mayor, he shall be vested with all of the powers and duties of Mayor, including the right of veto, and shall be entitled to be compensated at the same rate as provided for the Mayor.30



30 This section was added at the November 3, 1987 regular City election to specify when the Council president shall serve as Mayor in the event of vacancy and when an election must be held to fill such vacancy. This section is essentially based upon language which was contained in Section 7.9 of the proposed Charter prepared by the Charter Commission in 1967 and submitted on two occasions to the electorate prior to 1987.
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I have edited my post so that it does not include the name of the person I was referring to. I do not make a practice of being mean or reckless, and I apologize for using the name. Since some are offended by the use of the name in the post, maybe Anna and Reformer could edit the quote that contains the name too.
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Aug 29 2009, 10:28 AM
I also received McCann's brochure. It does not say that McNamara endorses him. It has a photo of him w/McNamara, so I think that the posts above are stretching the truth a bit.

Speaking of poor taste, I see that Joe Laura's endorsement list (http://www.joelaura.org/endorse.htm) includes a person whom I have heard has Alzheimer's disease, so I wonder if that person is of sound mind for lending his endorsement.

And, has anyone here noticed that Patrice Mang is endorsing Lynda Scheel? (http://lyndascheel.com/support/endorsements.html)
Underneath the picture it says "Past & Present Mayors endorse a Leader". I interpreted that as an endorsement.
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I'm sure Mr. McCann is a nice guy, but the more I look into him falsely saying that McNamara supports him from the grave--seems more and more illegal or, at the least, downright unethical, purposely misleading voters. Yes, he calls McNamara "the late," but the bolder headline states quite clearly: "Past and present Mayors endorse a leader."

What sort of "leader" purposely misleads voters? And, McNamara may NOT have supported McCann--should he have been alive today. To say so is downright misleading. How in the world could Mr. McCann know that McNamara would have supported him from the grave today?

And, McNamara, whom I have interviewed, was a DEMOCRATIC strong-arm powerbroker who died under serious questions of propiety. Also, McNamara, closely mentored the felon and disgraced liar and former Detroit mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick, as well as Governor Granholm, whom so many Livonians despise.

So, if Mayor Kirksey (and Mr. McCann?) decide to smear Ms. Brosnan once again to get Ms. Scheel on CC, as they did in the 2007 mayoral election, on the basis that Ms. Brosnan received campaign contributions from the DEMOCRATIC party--what is Mr. McCann and with whom does he stand? I don't know, but it all seems odd to me. Strange bedfellow, Mr. McCann.

Mr. McCann are you a Democrat now? If so, that does not fly well in Livonia. Wake up Livonia and look at who's tied to whom's apron strings.
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New regs outlaw some robocalls
David Schepp
Aug 28th 2009 at 1:00PM

Filed under: Ripoffs and Scams, Consumer Complaints

New rules to be implemented by the federal government could result in less dinner-time indigestion for millions of Americans frequently disrupted by automated phone calls offering time shares, extended product warranties or any manner of other products.

The Federal Trade Commission said Thursday that beginning next month, such calls will no longer be lawful unless the telemarketer has received written permission from consumers who express interest in receiving such offers by phone. The provision is known as the Telemarketing Sales Rule, or TSR. Current rules block such calls only if the consumer adds a home or cell phone number to the federal Do Not Call registry.

"Starting Sept. 1, this bombardment of prerecorded pitches, senseless solicitations, and malicious marketing will be illegal," FTC Chairman Jon Leibowitz said in a statement. "If consumers think they're being harassed by robocallers, they need to let us know, and we will go after them."

Unauthorized calls can be reported to the commission online or at (877) 382-4357 (877-FTC-HELP).

Telemarketers who violate the new rule are subject to fines of up to $16,000 a call. The ban prohibits automated calls regardless of whether the consumer has done business with the seller. Calls placed by humans aren't banned, unless the phone number is on the national do not call registry.

Those involved in marketing directly to consumers say consumers won't notice much of a difference. That's because the ban has been in the works for some time and telemarketers have planned for it.

While the ban prohibits many calls, don't expect the phone to stop ringing altogether. The new rules don't, for example, prohibit calls that provide information, such as flight information or appliance delivery times -- or even debt collectors, so long as the calls do not promote the sale of goods or services.

Also exempt are calls from local charities, politicians, banks and -- Holy Jerry Seinfeld! -- those from telephone companies.

It looks like there'll be no reprieve from robocalls. Get ready Livonia!
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