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Target/Costco Leaving Livonia Rumor; Does it have legs?
Topic Started: Aug 10 2009, 10:49 AM (1,238 Views)
Ms. AK
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A high-ranking Livonia official suggests that the rumor that Target and Costco are considering leaving Livonia has "some legs."

Now that the Northvillians have bankrolled REIS' planned development at 7/Haggerty (through their decision to pay millions for the toxic hospital land)--it appears that Target would like a larger store as well as Costco--and they will possibly be anchors to REIS' new development.

Part of Costco's motivation to possibly leave Livonia has to do with the fact that a previous council denied them the right to sell alcohol. Alcohol sales are very lucrative for Costco. Plus, the planned Sam's Club at 7/Middlebelt will most likely sell alcohol.

Is Livonia in for more empty big-box stores? Livonians gave much in tax credits/abatements/brownfields--and this is the possible result--abandonment.

The taxpayer gives and gives and this is our reward? More potential eyesores--yet we become a Walmart mecca butting up against our residential neighborhoods.

Should Livonia have annexed the polluted old hospital land? I still say no, but did anyone see this coming?

Let's vote in some new blood to the CC. I feel that Mr. Laura, although an incumbent, has shown a great deal of foresight and desire to buck the status quo.

I also just learned through research that because Walmart pays such low wages--a goodly percentage of their employees require public assistance.

So, not only did we allow a retail predator, the most successful retailer in the country making billions, to take over the Livonia landscape--the taxpayer also subsidizes their workers' wages for them.

Edited by Ms. AK, Aug 10 2009, 11:06 AM.
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Where are Kirksey and the CC on this? I'd love to hear what they have to say.
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Ms. AK
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The more I think about this--even if Livonia had annexed the hospital land--these retailers might still have considered moving out of Livonia--leaving empty buildings and broken promises--because REIS would still have had control at 7/Halstead--although REIS would've been much broker.

So, are we in for more "deadish malls?" Is Walmart just too much competition for Target on Plymouth?

Where was the long-term plan? Does CC consult with local and regional business owners, bankers, developers, economists for impartial input before they approve development plans? I don't know.

I realize that these developers own the land. The CC seems to do whatever the developers want--without long-term regard for the consequences.

Does anyone know more about this?

What is going on? Where's the city's development team? I don't believe there is one, although I could be wrong.
Edited by Ms. AK, Aug 10 2009, 12:14 PM.
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Anna Krome
Aug 10 2009, 11:27 AM
The more I think about this--even if Livonia had annexed the hospital land--these retailers might still have considered moving out of the center of Livonia--
Target at 8 and Haggerty, Costco at 8 and Haggerty are the rumored new tenants at 7 and Haggerty. That Haggerty Target is one of the highest sales Target, after the Target in Troy.

Target is supposed to be changing their store hours to close at 11, instead of 10, at the end of August. I don't think both stores would vacate. 8 mile is a main exit and thoroughfare, although they are at least a 1/4 mile south of 8.

If one leaves the other has more room to expand. The oil rigs prevented Costco from expanding on their southside.
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Ms. AK
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My mistake. Makes sense. Why would there be two Targets and two Costcos so close together?

So, the rumor has no legs?

The Target/Costco in the center of town are safe?
Edited by Ms. AK, Aug 10 2009, 12:12 PM.
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Anna Krome
Aug 10 2009, 12:02 PM
Makes sense. Why would there be two Targets and two Costcos so close together?

So, the rumor has no legs?
The Target just south of 8 mile expanded and was remodeled about two years ago. The rumor is still a valid one, you just had the wrong Target.
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Mrs.M
Aug 10 2009, 11:39 AM
Anna Krome
Aug 10 2009, 11:27 AM
The more I think about this--even if Livonia had annexed the hospital land--these retailers might still have considered moving out of the center of Livonia--
Target at 8 and Haggerty, Costco at 8 and Haggerty are the rumored new tenants at 7 and Haggerty. That Haggerty Target is one of the highest sales Target, after the Target in Troy.

Target is supposed to be changing their store hours to close at 11, instead of 10, at the end of August. I don't think both stores would vacate. 8 mile is a main exit and thoroughfare, although they are at least a 1/4 mile south of 8.

If one leaves the other has more room to expand. The oil rigs prevented Costco from expanding on their southside.
The logic may very well be that if the 8 Mile Haggerty Target store is so successful, why wouldn't it be just as successful (if not more) a mile down the road in a "Super" format?

I agree with Anna though that it appears there is no real city planning going on...just latch onto the latest development that the Schostak's of the world have in mind and give them everything they want to make it happen..all at the taxpayers expense. And don't bother asking existing retailers for their imput...Kirksey and CC minions don't care.
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Yes, my mistake.

Still, in general, is the Target on Plymouth doing well next to Walmart?
Edited by Ms. AK, Aug 10 2009, 12:20 PM.
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Aug 10 2009, 12:13 PM
The logic may very well be that if the 8 Mile Haggerty Target store is so successful, why wouldn't it be just as successful (if not more) a mile down the road in a "Super" format?
Not even a mile...Distance: 0.66 miles

How many thousands of feet did the Target move to have 30K more sqft at the Wonderland shopping mall, AND a corner spot?

It could be well worth the move. Access to the expressway is a bonus at 7 mile. The only thing though Target did just get done expanding. Theft isn't as prevelant at this Target since it's a little bit more of a challenge to get to the expressway>>working your way through the 8 and Haggerty intersection.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Joe Laura is one of the people that got us in this mess.
They will close the Target and the Costco at 8/Haggerty and open new, larger stores at 7/Haggerty.
We lose the taxes and Northville gains them.
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Aug 10 2009, 02:46 PM
Joe Laura is one of the people that got us in this mess.

Please elaborate. I'm relatively new to Livonia, and I'd like to understand your take on this.









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Oh, so now 7 and Haggerty will be the driving nightmare instead of 8 and Haggerty. Don't forget about the Home Depot at 7 and Haggerty!
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Aug 10 2009, 02:46 PM
Joe Laura is one of the people that got us in this mess.
They will close the Target and the Costco at 8/Haggerty and open new, larger stores at 7/Haggerty.
We lose the taxes and Northville gains them.
Problem is, Northville Twp. does not gain much. The reason being the NEW stores (at 7 Mile and Haggerty) tax revenue can ONLY be spent to clean the junk land we just bought (Brownfield). Our tax rolls will not see any real income for DECADES. So yes, the Twp. gets the taxes, but only to remove the hospital and clean the filth.

The same would be true if Livonia had annexed.

In the mean time, Even Northville Twp. could lose revenue off the tax rolls to the new development.

Bankrolling the development will probably "fast track" it and was a big mistake on the part of my neighbors, that said, the literature mailed out repeatedly to get them to vote yes was not really accurate... and by "not really" I mean total BS.

It has been known forquite some time that Costco wants a larger store in the area. The Wal-Mart, according to several sources is all but a done deal... the Super Target and Lowe's are more questionable.
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Aug 10 2009, 06:11 PM
Oh, so now 7 and Haggerty will be the driving nightmare instead of 8 and Haggerty. Don't forget about the Home Depot at 7 and Haggerty!
Not instead, along with. It is estimated to become the busiest intersection in Michigan.
Edited by steve emsley, Aug 11 2009, 04:06 PM.
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Ms. AK
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According to the mayor's office, regarding this rumor:

"...checked around and can't find anyone here in the City who has
heard those rumors. In addition, the City Planning Director indicates
that neither Costco nor Target have any tax incentives with the City."

Thank you for answering my question.
Edited by Ms. AK, Aug 12 2009, 04:12 PM.
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Anna... I don't think they will get any tax incentives in the Twp... just larger and more profitable stores. These are all TOP stores for these chains in this area...

We will have to see how it shakes out. Costco wanting a much larger store, like in Brighton, has been a "rumor" since well before the annexation attempt.

Should be interesting.
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God knows they're not putting ANY money into the existing Costco at 8 and Haggerty. We were in the store a couple Saturday's ago when we had that really heavy rain and there were buckets catching drips and leaks everywhere. They had even moved a couple of displays to catch the rainwater :ermm:
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