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Observer Letter to the editor (sacrifice)
Topic Started: Aug 6 2009, 07:40 PM (5,008 Views)
Micki
I love teaching.
I don't think I can do that. My daughter receives special ed and that seems to be the one cut first. Teaming was cut in the Middle Schools and that affects students dramatically. I don't think I can do it, although I want to.
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snoopy
Aug 13 2009, 10:32 PM
mmmmkay?
Aug 13 2009, 09:09 PM
Momof4
Aug 13 2009, 12:05 PM
Micki
Aug 13 2009, 09:27 AM
I wonder if some of these administrators are using this information to put pressure on Liepa to raise their salaries to match their peers.
They should be using the information to shame each other into saving someone else's job - someone who works with the kids everyday.

I just heard of another friend who took a 10% pay cut -- AND he is vice president of the company. ALL employees took a cut - go figure. I guess LPS has more money than brains.
No, it's not the "more money than brains" scenario, it's the plain fact that the stewardship of the district has failed it's constituents. The BOE has been letting this get out of hand and out of their control since LESSard got on the BOE.

It's time to take back your school district. remember that when they try to ask for millage renewals, tax increases, bond sales, and especially at election time. If you don't effectively make a change, then you are allowing them to steal away your childs education and future.



mmmmkay?
The best thing to do is send a clear message to LPS by voting "NO" as a "NO CONFIDENCE VOTE" on any request for money from the taxpayers.
Sending a "NO CONFIDENCE VOTE" is the only way to voice your displeasure with how our schools are being run
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Micki
I love teaching.
It will only hurt my daughter. I can't do it.
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Ms. AK
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What is on the ballot, exactly? And, where do we find out about it?

Krome on Cars

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Micki
Aug 14 2009, 07:52 PM
It will only hurt my daughter. I can't do it.
How badly will your daughter be hurt if these clowns are left to spend our money in ways that would make a drunken sailor blush with shame?
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Ms. AK
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What is on the November ballot and how does one know? I am in the dark here, and I want to know more.
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Micki
I love teaching.
I do too. However, since she is in special ed the cuts will affect her because they always cut special ed first.
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Micki
Aug 15 2009, 08:33 AM
I do too. However, since she is in special ed the cuts will affect her because they always cut special ed first.
Shame on LPS - Special Ed cut first??? That is sickening to me.

I can't stomach that Leipa and all those people can sit on their thrones and cut programing like special ed, all while raking in the money they do.

How can they sleep at night???
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Momof4
Aug 15 2009, 09:53 AM
Micki
Aug 15 2009, 08:33 AM
I do too. However, since she is in special ed the cuts will affect her because they always cut special ed first.
Shame on LPS - Special Ed cut first??? That is sickening to me.

I can't stomach that Leipa and all those people can sit on their thrones and cut programing like special ed, all while raking in the money they do.

How can they sleep at night???
With a fluffy pillow stuffed with taxpayer cash.

“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Micki
I love teaching.
When I say special ed., I am not referring to the whole program but parts of it. Things that make it better for students that have challenges to be successful. When I visited my child's school they told me that if such and such weren't cut that such and such would happen but that they didn't think that it wouldn't be cut.

The teacher's will work with what you have but it is easier to pound in a nail with a hammer than a cucumber.
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How much of the special education budget comes from Wayne County, and how much is LPS responsible for?
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Momof4
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Micki
Aug 16 2009, 09:42 AM
When I say special ed., I am not referring to the whole program but parts of it. Things that make it better for students that have challenges to be successful. When I visited my child's school they told me that if such and such weren't cut that such and such would happen but that they didn't think that it wouldn't be cut.

The teacher's will work with what you have but it is easier to pound in a nail with a hammer than a cucumber.
It is wrong from every angle that this board has wasted money, year after year, with changes parents begged not to make (and presented the board with better more cost effective options), programs we didn't need (and aren't helping and parents presented better options) and passing out raises to people who already make good money and can be replaced for less.

Yet they take from the program that services our most vulnerable. SICK!

It is so maddening that now almost 50 people make $100K and the special ed will have to sacrifice. The jobs of those teachers are difficult enough, we shouldn't have to ask them to work with less when our administration and people at the top keep getting more.

I have put it on this site before - I looked at the LPS salary list and counted the people making over $80 - I only got thru people with last names A, B and C and there were close to over 100 people making over $80 in this district - with last names ABC. There IS money in this district to keep all programing strong... it is just not allocated correctly.
Edited by Momof4, Aug 16 2009, 12:34 PM.
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43 are now in the 100k club, with several getting close.
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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BOE just voted for the soccer complex: 5-2. Yes voters: Lessard, Oke, Scheel, Burton, Freeman. No votes: King, Mang
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Silentwolf
Aug 17 2009, 09:27 PM
BOE just voted for the soccer complex: 5-2. Yes voters: Lessard, Oke, Scheel, Burton, Freeman. No votes: King, Mang
Surprised? Don't be!

These rubber stampers are the same ones who will use every dirty trick in the book to make you feel obligated, no, let me rephrase that, guilty, unless you vote in favor of a millage renewal at the next election. It is time to send a clear message to LPS that misfeasance & malfeasance, along with fiscal mismanagement is not what we want for out children & community. THEY have no problem voting away your childrens taxpayer funded monies, but will make YOU the scapegoat if a millage fails. Makes me ILL.
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Al Beabak
Aug 17 2009, 09:48 PM
Silentwolf
Aug 17 2009, 09:27 PM
BOE just voted for the soccer complex: 5-2. Yes voters: Lessard, Oke, Scheel, Burton, Freeman. No votes: King, Mang
Surprised? Don't be!

These rubber stampers are the same ones who will use every dirty trick in the book to make you feel obligated, no, let me rephrase that, guilty, unless you vote in favor of a millage renewal at the next election. It is time to send a clear message to LPS that misfeasance & malfeasance, along with fiscal mismanagement is not what we want for out children & community. THEY have no problem voting away your childrens taxpayer funded monies, but will make YOU the scapegoat if a millage fails. Makes me ILL.
I plan on voting NO in november, the interesting thing tonight is that King said that it could be open to a legal challenge
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Aug 17 2009, 09:53 PM
Al Beabak
Aug 17 2009, 09:48 PM
Silentwolf
Aug 17 2009, 09:27 PM
BOE just voted for the soccer complex: 5-2. Yes voters: Lessard, Oke, Scheel, Burton, Freeman. No votes: King, Mang
Surprised? Don't be!

These rubber stampers are the same ones who will use every dirty trick in the book to make you feel obligated, no, let me rephrase that, guilty, unless you vote in favor of a millage renewal at the next election. It is time to send a clear message to LPS that misfeasance & malfeasance, along with fiscal mismanagement is not what we want for out children & community. THEY have no problem voting away your childrens taxpayer funded monies, but will make YOU the scapegoat if a millage fails. Makes me ILL.
I plan on voting NO in november, the interesting thing tonight is that King said that it could be open to a legal challenge
The community proved their complacency last May by allowing Lessard & Burton to get on the BOE. They are both rubber stampers for the administration and will support the status quo that has been destroying the school district and community for years. I will do everything in my power to canvass every voter I can to vote NO in November because of this BS. Since when does a contaminated field inflatable soccer dome run by an outside of the community interest assist in our kids education? How does a piss-poor rate of return over 30 years make any sense for an investment? Who is getting the contracts for all of this work? - more of randy & rods contractor buddies? What about the children right across the street attending school when they start disturbing all of that contaminated soil? This smells really really bad.



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Micki
Aug 8 2009, 12:37 PM
I don't think teacher's get paid enough. I looked at the list and wished that they were paid more. They (we) have such an impact on children daily and spend more time with them during waking hours then their own parents during the school year. The job is priceless.
Although I do agree Miki, many teachers are great and deserve all they get and more.... But unfortunately there are MANY that do not. I believe that there should be some kind of system to distinguish the good from the bad. When one teacher can make such a good difference in a child's life, there are enough that don't, but they get paid the same or better! You are also very right that the job is priceless, but so are the children.... So when you have two fifth grade classes and one teacher is great and the kid's are learning a lot, but in the other class the teacher really doesn't do much. Many video's being played, no homework or too much with no guidance, or better yet we all know the teachers that use up all their sick days, or are just never seems to be there. Someone needs to get the bad ones out and PAY the good ones to stay!
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Aug 15 2009, 09:56 AM
Momof4
Aug 15 2009, 09:53 AM
Micki
Aug 15 2009, 08:33 AM
I do too. However, since she is in special ed the cuts will affect her because they always cut special ed first.
Shame on LPS - Special Ed cut first??? That is sickening to me.

I can't stomach that Leipa and all those people can sit on their thrones and cut programing like special ed, all while raking in the money they do.

How can they sleep at night???
With a fluffy pillow stuffed with taxpayer cash.

With no conscious . . . just greed.
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Aug 11 2009, 10:19 PM
kitkat
Aug 11 2009, 07:51 PM
RU Kidding Me?
Aug 11 2009, 06:36 PM
If you are a member of the union and you don't know what LPS is offering at the table, then you don't know (or aren't talking to) the right people. To think that every bargaining team member refuses to tell anyone, especially close friends in the same union, what is being offered is absurd.
I have been on a bargaining team before. You take a poll of your members of what is important to them (raises, insurance,vacation, etc.) you then meet with the other sides team and negotiate what your members have stated is most important to them. You DO NOT discuss with any members what is being said at the bargaining table because it can change daily, weekly, monthly (depending on how often you meet) and the reason for that is because something that was talked about one day (week, month) can be completely taken off of the table the next day (week, month). So it is NOT in the best interest of any person on the bargaining team to talk about what is going on at the table because the end result could be completely different when a tentative agreement has been reached! Each side say and do things that could end up never seeing the light of day.
If some of your union members told me about your negotiations, would you call me at work to demand their names? Would you refuse to say wether or not you were calling on behalf of the union? Would you refuse to state wether the president of your union knew you were calling? Would you go to your employer to get my unlisted number?

If you did, just who would you be representing?


PS Does anyone have a contact number for Vicki Markul (president of AFSCME)? I want to ask her if she approved Walter Klotz's little witch hunt.
No I wouldn't go to my employer to get your private numbers to call you and I am pretty sure that Walter did not either, because frankly that is confidential information that my employer could not share with him. I did want to say that what you wrote about was rumors, just like the ones that I am hearing right now, the only difference in the rumors that I am hearing and that you are hearing is that AFSCME was DEMANDING RAISES (not being told to take CUTS or else) when the comment, as they were being walked out on in bargaining, was made that they would just privatize.
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