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Observer Letter to the editor (sacrifice)
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Topic Started: Aug 6 2009, 07:40 PM (5,010 Views)
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Aug 9 2009, 10:53 PM
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Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education...
We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off.
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LPS Reformer
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Aug 10 2009, 07:12 AM
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The schools exist to educate, not employ.
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- Micki
- Aug 9 2009, 11:06 AM
So, is this list about cutting from the top or about analyzing teacher's and deciding which one needs to be paid what???
I am of the mind set that it would have been more appropriate to remove the names and group them. This isn't about how teacher's are paid. This supposedly was about how much the higher ups are paid verses the other positions.
If this thread is to analyze teachers and point out their faults, flaws, and then decide how much to pay them or how much they deserve, that is different and in my opinion, out of line.
The information is made available to the public via FOIA so that the public can keep track of how the schools are spending taxpayer money. By all means, use the information to answer questions as you see fit. I wrote the letter to protest the practice of squeezing money out of the lowest paid employees to pay for raises to the highest paid. However, there are many reasons to review the information. In this economy, ALL employees of LPS will be making sacrifice. Nothing is going to change that. The better the public understands where we are, the better it will decide where to go.
Nice tap dance! Public information should be EASILY accessible, not hidden if it happens to be something embarassing to the Admins.
Let the Public decide what is the proper use of that information.
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Aug 10 2009, 07:40 AM
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Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education... We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off. ... A smidge off.......
Even at 7 hours pr day the equivalent would be $132,225 in salary and $174,175 with Fica, Retirement and health insurance. The teachers fail to see just how highly they are paid. The clincher here is that they get over two months off every summer. How many employees get over 60 days vacation a year (12 weeks)? I would love to earn $89,000 in salary for less than ten months work and less than a nine hour day. (Most people in the job force these days do not get a paid lunch so they work 8 hours plus the unpaid one hour lunch.)
I just wonder how much a teacher thinks he/she is worth working a full year of 8 hours pr day, 52 weeks a year. $90,000, $100,000? Yes, I understand many of them have advance degrees, and should be compensated for such, but this holds true for all professional positions. I also understand that teachers spend extra time after regular work hours to grade papers, plan lessons, etc. but private sector workers also incur many overtime hours and hours on weekends without any compensation at all. It is considered "part of their salary".
The bottom line her is that the teachers, at least in LPS, are not the destitute, downtrodden souls they would have us believe they are!
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Aug 10 2009, 09:01 AM
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- fhsalumni
- Aug 9 2009, 10:53 PM
- LPS_MOM10
- Aug 9 2009, 07:29 PM
Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education... We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off. fhs - If you consider yourself a "babysitter," perhaps you are in the wrong profession after all.
Just curious, but doesn't the teacher contract state how long teachers must remain in their building once the students leave? Shouldn't you be available for longer than 10 minutes for students who need extra help or have questions for you once class is over?
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Micki
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Aug 10 2009, 09:17 AM
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I love teaching.
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Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education... We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off. Well, I wish I could find a sitter for $5 bucks an hour. Send me some names. I pay $8-$10 an hour for my kids. Comparing a teacher to a babysitter is a disservice to our profession.
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Micki
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Aug 10 2009, 09:20 AM
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I love teaching.
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- Aug 10 2009, 09:01 AM
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- Aug 9 2009, 10:53 PM
- LPS_MOM10
- Aug 9 2009, 07:29 PM
Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education... We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off.
fhs - If you consider yourself a "babysitter," perhaps you are in the wrong profession after all. Just curious, but doesn't the teacher contract state how long teachers must remain in their building once the students leave? Shouldn't you be available for longer than 10 minutes for students who need extra help or have questions for you once class is over? Our teacher contract is 15 minutes before start of day until the last bell. However, I go in at 7:00 in the morning so that I can work for an hour and 45 minutes before school and then I leave about an hour- two after school. Although, I don't feel badly walking out with the kids because I come in almost two hours early each day. I am just unable to leave that early most of the time. Also, parents are encouraged to make appointments if they need to talk to us. All of my parents have my cell phone number so we talk whenever they need to.
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Aug 10 2009, 09:52 AM
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An LPS teacher does NOT work 6 hours a day. Example - Elementary arrive at 8 leave between 4 -5 = 8 to 9 hours High School - arrive at 7 leave between 3 -4 = at least 8 hours. I don't know where you get the 6 hours per day.
What has this thread turned into? It was supposed to be about the top and it has gone off topic.
Oh, and Micki, I would never find pity...I have only only respect for your chosen career.
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Micki
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Aug 10 2009, 10:04 AM
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I love teaching.
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- LPS_MOM10
- Aug 9 2009, 07:29 PM
Speaking of the six-figure club........
The average LPS teacher makes about $89,000 (which appears to be true from the list that was provided).
An LPS teacher works 200 days, 6 hours a day. Now, lets equate that to you and I .... we work 52 weeks (or 260 days a year) and 8 hours a day.
Simply divide the LPS teacher salary of $89,000 by 200 = $445 pr day. Then divide $445 by 6 hours a day = $74.16 pr hour. This is the hourly LPS teacher rate.
Now, lets take the $74.16 pr hour and multiply that by 2,080 hours (8 hr pr day x 260 days, the hours that you and I work) = $154,252 !!!!!!
$154,252 is the equivalent LPS teacher salary.
If you add on 7.65% for Employer Paid FICA and another 15% for retirement, that's an additional $34,938. That brings us up to $189,190.
Now add another $12,000 for full family health insurance, we are up to $201,190...........unbelievable!!!!!
An LPS teacher costs OVER $200,000.
IT APPEARS THAT 80% OF THE LPS STAFF IS IN THE SIX-FIGURE STRATOSPHERE!!!!!!!!!!
PS......THANK YOU Lloyd for all your hard work in getting us the straight story!!!! You are a huge service to the taxpaying public!
Just a thought....most people pay their babysitters $5 an hour, that would be $30 per child for a 6 hour day, say, 30 kids in the class, $900 per day...dang, not bad when babysitters don't have a college education... We actually work 8-3:45, which is 7hrs 45 min, deduct the 50 min unpaid/duty free lunch, and we work 6hrs 55 min a day, so your math is a smidge off.
... A smidge off....... Even at 7 hours pr day the equivalent would be $132,225 in salary and $174,175 with Fica, Retirement and health insurance. The teachers fail to see just how highly they are paid. The clincher here is that they get over two months off every summer. How many employees get over 60 days vacation a year (12 weeks)? I would love to earn $89,000 in salary for less than ten months work and less than a nine hour day. (Most people in the job force these days do not get a paid lunch so they work 8 hours plus the unpaid one hour lunch.) I just wonder how much a teacher thinks he/she is worth working a full year of 8 hours pr day, 52 weeks a year. $90,000, $100,000? Yes, I understand many of them have advance degrees, and should be compensated for such, but this holds true for all professional positions. I also understand that teachers spend extra time after regular work hours to grade papers, plan lessons, etc. but private sector workers also incur many overtime hours and hours on weekends without any compensation at all. It is considered "part of their salary". The bottom line her is that the teachers, at least in LPS, are not the destitute, downtrodden souls they would have us believe they are! Teacher's in Livonia downtrodden????????? Hmmmmm... isn't that a bit of an exaggeration?
Also, if you would like to have 2 months off... go back to school and become a teacher! Great job! Nothing like it.
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Aug 10 2009, 04:16 PM
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Comment from Free Press Detroit school board set to file lawsuit to have its say
donquixoteee wrote:
The ONLY question worth considering when it comes to the Detroit School Board is whether they have been more ignorant or more corrupt over the past 40 years.
If the Detroit Prosecuting Attorneys Office is actually thinking these days we should shortly see a published list of the 380 Imaginary Detroit School Employees that have been embezzling $10,000,000 + per year from the School System. Next we should see a Matching List of Arrest Warrants for these crooks. Finally, we should read a list of Detroit Schol Board Members and Detroit City Council Members friends and relatives to see how many of the names are a match. There is no sense of Mr. Bobb identifying the crooks in Detroit Public Schools if our Prosecutors don't have the guts to arrest them. Also, these lists of crooks should be published Before the City Council and School Board elections to avoid the re-elction of crooks like we've done for about 40 years.
Keep working Mr. Bobb.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090810/NEWS01/90810049
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=pluckcomments&key=20090810.freep.C490810049.article.NEWS01&s=d
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Aug 10 2009, 05:58 PM
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In the last few days, I have spoken with a number of AFSME members working for LPS. These are our bus drivers, custodians. etc. I’ve been told that the negotiating team for AFSME has been given an ultimatum. Either accept the cuts the district wants or their jobs will be privatized.
While I don't want to see privatization nor do I want to see anybody lose their job, I do have one simple question to ask every AFSME member - Who did you vote for in the last school board election and how is that working for you now?
We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
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Aug 10 2009, 07:56 PM
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In the last few days, I have spoken with a number of AFSME members working for LPS. These are our bus drivers, custodians. etc. I’ve been told that the negotiating team for AFSME has been given an ultimatum. Either accept the cuts the district wants or their jobs will be privatized.
While I don't want to see privatization nor do I want to see anybody lose their job, I do have one simple question to ask every AFSME member - Who did you vote for in the last school board election and how is that working for you now?
We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
You can speak to any AFSCME member you want, but unless you have spoken to an actual AFSCME member that is on the bargaining team (and they wouldn't give anyone inside info until bargaining has been completed) all the information you are receiving is incorrect. The only ones that know what is actually being said at the bargaining table are the AFSCME members and Administration that are on the bargaining team. Any other AFSCME member (bus drivers, custodians, etc.) can only speculate and spread rumors of what they think is happening and have no facts whatsoever and won't have any facts until they are actually brought a tentative agreement that has been agreed to by both parties (Admin. & AFSCME) for the AFSCME bargaining group to vote on!
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Aug 10 2009, 09:50 PM
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We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
That is exactly why it is so silly to print names, positions, and salaries of all employees when the real complaints seem to be with the administration. All it does is polarize LPS employees against many of the people and ideas on this site. Instead this list opens up scrutiny on all employees - many of which make a very reasonable salary. I have not heard one teacher ask for pity about their pay or situation - just to abstain from over scrutinizing each employee.
By publishing these lists, do we really want students (I know there are some that read this site) challenging teachers, paraprofessionals, custodians, secretaries, and principals about their duties and pay?
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Aug 11 2009, 12:43 AM
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- bjorenson
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We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
That is exactly why it is so silly to print names, positions, and salaries of all employees when the real complaints seem to be with the administration. All it does is polarize LPS employees against many of the people and ideas on this site. Instead this list opens up scrutiny on all employees - many of which make a very reasonable salary. I have not heard one teacher ask for pity about their pay or situation - just to abstain from over scrutinizing each employee. By publishing these lists, do we really want students (I know there are some that read this site) challenging teachers, paraprofessionals, custodians, secretaries, and principals about their duties and pay? Beautifully said, thank you!
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Aug 11 2009, 05:32 AM
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The schools exist to educate, not employ.
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We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
That is exactly why it is so silly to print names, positions, and salaries of all employees when the real complaints seem to be with the administration. All it does is polarize LPS employees against many of the people and ideas on this site. Instead this list opens up scrutiny on all employees - many of which make a very reasonable salary. I have not heard one teacher ask for pity about their pay or situation - just to abstain from over scrutinizing each employee. By publishing these lists, do we really want students (I know there are some that read this site) challenging teachers, paraprofessionals, custodians, secretaries, and principals about their duties and pay? Students are members of the public. They would have just as much a right to file a FOIA for this information as I did. And just as much a right to question how our tax dollars are being spent.
Remember, they are the ones who will have to live with the mess we have left for them.
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Aug 11 2009, 09:36 AM
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We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
That is exactly why it is so silly to print names, positions, and salaries of all employees when the real complaints seem to be with the administration. All it does is polarize LPS employees against many of the people and ideas on this site. Instead this list opens up scrutiny on all employees - many of which make a very reasonable salary. I have not heard one teacher ask for pity about their pay or situation - just to abstain from over scrutinizing each employee. By publishing these lists, do we really want students (I know there are some that read this site) challenging teachers, paraprofessionals, custodians, secretaries, and principals about their duties and pay? If you're a public employee then it goes with the territory.
To paraphrase another poster, if you don't want to be a teacher (and have your salary posted-as is the law if asked) then go back to school and become something else. Otherwise, enjoy your pay, 2+ months off, job satisfaction and live with the fact that we all know how much you make.
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Aug 11 2009, 09:53 AM
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In the last few days, I have spoken with a number of AFSME members working for LPS. These are our bus drivers, custodians. etc. I’ve been told that the negotiating team for AFSME has been given an ultimatum. Either accept the cuts the district wants or their jobs will be privatized.
While I don't want to see privatization nor do I want to see anybody lose their job, I do have one simple question to ask every AFSME member - Who did you vote for in the last school board election and how is that working for you now?
We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
You can speak to any AFSCME member you want, but unless you have spoken to an actual AFSCME member that is on the bargaining team (and they wouldn't give anyone inside info until bargaining has been completed) all the information you are receiving is incorrect. The only ones that know what is actually being said at the bargaining table are the AFSCME members and Administration that are on the bargaining team. Any other AFSCME member (bus drivers, custodians, etc.) can only speculate and spread rumors of what they think is happening and have no facts whatsoever and won't have any facts until they are actually brought a tentative agreement that has been agreed to by both parties (Admin. & AFSCME) for the AFSCME bargaining group to vote on! Please......You don't think that members of the bargaining team are telling their members what is being offered and what is being said in the meetings?? Ask any member of any union and they will tell you they are very well informed regarding the contract bargaining process. If not they need a new bargaining team.
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Aug 11 2009, 10:37 AM
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- Aug 10 2009, 05:58 PM
We've been telling employees of this district for the last 3 years that this BOE (minus 2) and Liepa do not have the children's best interest in mind and I'm just wondering when you LPS employees will start believing us.
That is exactly why it is so silly to print names, positions, and salaries of all employees when the real complaints seem to be with the administration. All it does is polarize LPS employees against many of the people and ideas on this site. Instead this list opens up scrutiny on all employees - many of which make a very reasonable salary. I have not heard one teacher ask for pity about their pay or situation - just to abstain from over scrutinizing each employee. By publishing these lists, do we really want students (I know there are some that read this site) challenging teachers, paraprofessionals, custodians, secretaries, and principals about their duties and pay?
If you're a public employee then it goes with the territory. To paraphrase another poster, if you don't want to be a teacher (and have your salary posted-as is the law if asked) then go back to school and become something else. Otherwise, enjoy your pay, 2+ months off, job satisfaction and live with the fact that we all know how much you make. Again, this is the not the point. No one believes the teacher pay scale should be a secret.
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Aug 11 2009, 11:24 AM
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Again, this is the not the point. No one believes the teacher pay scale should be a secret."
And their names shouldn't be a secret either.
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cecelia
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Aug 11 2009, 02:16 PM
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Negotiating teams question union members about priorities before the negotiation starts. There are open meetings and questionaires. Members are free to e-mail concerns to the team members. Once negotiation starts the team does not communicate with the members until an agreement is reached. This is how it works for teachers. If the AFSME negotiating team acts differently I am very surprised.
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Mrs.M
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Aug 11 2009, 02:33 PM
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- Aug 11 2009, 02:16 PM
Negotiating teams question union members about priorities before the negotiation starts. There are open meetings and questionaires. Members are free to e-mail concerns to the team members. Once negotiation starts the team does not communicate with the members until an agreement is reached. This is how it works for teachers. If the AFSME negotiating team acts differently I am very surprised. I'm sure there are some AFSCME members who are tight with the reps. The human condition of talking is natural.
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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