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Disabled student assaulted by LPS employee
Topic Started: Nov 6 2008, 08:15 PM (10,516 Views)
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Jan 20 2009, 11:02 PM
It appears that the parents of one of the girls is filing suit against LPS.
As is per any legal action against LPS, they will fight tooth & nail to fight for a settlement before it reaches a court of law. Why?, so the truth does not become part of the public records. It has nothing to do with this particular lawsuit, it is the status quo with every lawsuit the district has faced for over 30 years. It is how business of this nature is done when it regards a public entity such as a school district
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For now. ;)
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Has anybody heard whatever happened with the disabled student assaulted by an employee suit? When is the hearing?

If the family filed, I hope they go all the way, no plea deals. Lock up the scum bag and throw away the key.



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Feb 26 2009, 05:17 PM
Has anybody heard whatever happened with the disabled student assaulted by an employee suit? When is the hearing?

If the family filed, I hope they go all the way, no plea deals. Lock up the scum bag and throw away the key.



Last I heard, the trial was going to begin in early March.
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Did this trial begin yet? Which trial was supposed to start in March....... the criminal one against the employee? or the civil one against LPS?

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The criminal suit.
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In one case the criminal charges were dropped, and the other he was found not guilty. And I heard that the Judge, who was Linda McCann, was a b@$%@, and was rolling her eyes at the prosecutor. Gee, wonder what the connections were there?! When asked by the jury to review some evidence, Judge McCann told them that it would take days to get them and just to try to remember on their own.

But their civil case is still pending. Hopefully, there will be no bias in that case.
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Mar 5 2009, 06:03 PM
In one case the criminal charges were dropped, and the other he was found not guilty. And I heard that the Judge, who was Linda McCann, was a b@$%@, and was rolling her eyes at the prosecutor. Gee, wonder what the connections were there?! When asked by the jury to review some evidence, Judge McCann told them that it would take days to get them and just to try to remember on their own.

But their civil case is still pending. Hopefully, there will be no bias in that case.
If the case was here in Livonia, that would be Judge Kathleen McCann, or was it downtown?
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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dazed and confused
Mar 5 2009, 06:03 PM
In one case the criminal charges were dropped, and the other he was found not guilty. And I heard that the Judge, who was Linda McCann, was a b@$%@, and was rolling her eyes at the prosecutor. Gee, wonder what the connections were there?! When asked by the jury to review some evidence, Judge McCann told them that it would take days to get them and just to try to remember on their own.

But their civil case is still pending. Hopefully, there will be no bias in that case.
If the case was here in Livonia, that would be Judge Kathleen McCann, or was it downtown?
Sorry, I stand corrected. It was in Livonia.
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Did I understand that the judge told the jury that they could not review some evidence, that they should try to remember on their own?!? Isn't that grounds for an appeal?
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Mar 5 2009, 08:55 PM
Did I understand that the judge told the jury that they could not review some evidence, that they should try to remember on their own?!? Isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Well, I wasn't there, but spoke with someone that was. The Judge told them that it could take days because the transcripts couldn't just be copied, and that they should try and remember. She didn't exactly deny, but she wasn't making it easy for them either. That's pretty much all I know.
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Mar 5 2009, 09:33 PM
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Mar 5 2009, 08:55 PM
Did I understand that the judge told the jury that they could not review some evidence, that they should try to remember on their own?!? Isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Well, I wasn't there, but spoke with someone that was. The Judge told them that it could take days because the transcripts couldn't just be copied, and that they should try and remember. She didn't exactly deny, but she wasn't making it easy for them either. That's pretty much all I know.
I was on a murder trial several years ago and the judge told us we were there to pay attention. . The judge said we didn't have anything else to do but watch and listen and that was the expectation. We were not allowed to take notes. We were supposed to fix everything in our head so we could remember. Since we would see and hear the evidence, that would be enough. We did ask to have two minutes of one witness's testimony reread to us ( out of five days' testimony) and the judge said yes, but he also said he was not obligated to do so. A very interesting thing the judge said was that we were not supposed to try and read what the judge's opinion was. We were supposed to pay total attention to the evidence, the witnesses, and how the attorneys interpreted what we had seen and heard. In other words, the judge's facial expression and body language are to be ignored. An attorney friend told me that is a standard part of jury instruction.

By the way, if a person is acquitted you can't appeal that. If the judge does something illegal the prosecutor can file for mistrial in which case the person is tried all over. It doesn't sound to me like the judge did anything illegal but I wasn't there.
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Well I sure hope the miscarriage of justice does not occur at the next trial. This scum needs to be locked up!
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Mar 5 2009, 10:18 PM
Well I sure hope the miscarriage of justice does not occur at the next trial. This scum needs to be locked up!
Just curious...were you at the trial? If not, maybe you would have a different opinion after seeing the evidence (or lack thereof). By the way, if you are ever accused of a crime I hope people don't call you a scumbag without more evidence than I have seen produced on this site.
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Mar 5 2009, 10:18 PM
Well I sure hope the miscarriage of justice does not occur at the next trial. This scum needs to be locked up!
Well I agree with Cecila, you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty and from what one post states the charges were dropped in one case and a verdict of not guilty in the other case. It sounds to me like there was not enough evidence to prove that he did anything wrong.
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Mar 5 2009, 10:18 PM
Well I sure hope the miscarriage of justice does not occur at the next trial. This scum needs to be locked up!
Well I agree with Cecila, you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty and from what one post states the charges were dropped in one case and a verdict of not guilty in the other case. It sounds to me like there was not enough evidence to prove that he did anything wrong.
whoops cecelia sorry!
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I was able to be there on the first day for a short time. What didn't make sense to me was the fact that when one of the girls mothers was asked how the child was, or reacted when they got off the bus, the defense attorney objected to it as "hear say" and the judge wouldn't let the mother describe the girls demeanor. In addition to that I had heard that alot of evidence was not admissable in court such as the bus paraprofessionals history on other buses.

Maybe that other pending lawsuit will go differently. The verdice in the criminal case cannot be disclosed in the civil case because as stated above, the burden of proof is a lesser degree and more information can be used.

My question is will there now be another lawsuit from the paraprofessional to get there job back and will they give it to them.

I guess the sage continues.......
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Mar 5 2009, 10:18 PM
Well I sure hope the miscarriage of justice does not occur at the next trial. This scum needs to be locked up!
Well I agree with Cecila, you are suppose to be innocent until proven guilty and from what one post states the charges were dropped in one case and a verdict of not guilty in the other case. It sounds to me like there was not enough evidence to prove that he did anything wrong.
OJ anyone? ;)
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Mar 5 2009, 10:02 PM
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Mar 5 2009, 08:55 PM
Did I understand that the judge told the jury that they could not review some evidence, that they should try to remember on their own?!? Isn't that grounds for an appeal?
Well, I wasn't there, but spoke with someone that was. The Judge told them that it could take days because the transcripts couldn't just be copied, and that they should try and remember. She didn't exactly deny, but she wasn't making it easy for them either. That's pretty much all I know.
I was on a murder trial several years ago and the judge told us we were there to pay attention. . The judge said we didn't have anything else to do but watch and listen and that was the expectation. We were not allowed to take notes. We were supposed to fix everything in our head so we could remember. Since we would see and hear the evidence, that would be enough. We did ask to have two minutes of one witness's testimony reread to us ( out of five days' testimony) and the judge said yes, but he also said he was not obligated to do so. A very interesting thing the judge said was that we were not supposed to try and read what the judge's opinion was. We were supposed to pay total attention to the evidence, the witnesses, and how the attorneys interpreted what we had seen and heard. In other words, the judge's facial expression and body language are to be ignored. An attorney friend told me that is a standard part of jury instruction.

By the way, if a person is acquitted you can't appeal that. If the judge does something illegal the prosecutor can file for mistrial in which case the person is tried all over. It doesn't sound to me like the judge did anything illegal but I wasn't there.
I was just on a jury in Detroit and we had a judge who understood the human brain... we were given pencils and pads of paper.

Isn't there studies that show that the average human's attention span is 20 minutes or so? It is ridiculous to think people can sit all day and remember everything.
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