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Board of Education Meeting at Garfield Elementary; Monday, February 25, 2008
Topic Started: Feb 24 2008, 11:09 AM (1,318 Views)
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Livonia Public Schools School District

Committee of the Whole Meeting
Monday, February 25, 2008
6:30 PM
Garfield Elementary School LMC, 10218 Arthur, Livonia


I. AUDIENCE COMMUNICATIONS

II. CURRICULUM COMMITTEE
King, Chair; Oke, Bailey
A. Presentation--Garfield Elementary School Early Learning Success Initiative
S. Alles
Presentation--Garfield Elementary School Early Le
B. Gift-- Cleveland PTA
D. McDowell
Gift--Cleveland PTA Attachment
C. Gift--Garfield PTA
D. McDowell
Gift--Garfield PTA Attachment
D. Gift--Hayes PTA
D. McDowell
Gift--Hayes PTA Attachment

III. BUILDING & SITE COMMITTEE
Oke, Chair; Lessard, King
A. Energy Conservation Program
R. Hosman
Energy Conservation Program Attachment
B. Review of Cell Tower Proposal at Emerson Middle School
R. Hosman
Review of Cell Tower Proposal at Emerson Middle S


http://www.boardbook.org/APPS/BBV2/PUBLIC/...=MjAwMTE5MTA%3D




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Link to map for Garfield......

http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?formt...ry=US&geodiff=1
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going on at Churchill at 7PM Tonight
http://hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../802240545/1027
LPS seeks feedback

LPS district residents have can share their ideas about which areas of the district's Shared Vision should be priorities at this time.

The meeting, which should last about 45 minutes, starts at 7 p.m. Monday at Churchill High School, 8900 Newburgh.
People can also give feedback by filling out a survey that will be posted on the district's Web site Tuesday.

Call Donna McDowell, administrator of communications, at (734) 744-2522
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Energy, tower on agenda

The Livonia Public Schools Board of Education will discuss details of a contract with an energy conservation management firm during Monday's meeting.

The board will meet as a committee of the whole at 6:30 p.m. at Garfield Elementary School, 10218 Arthur Street. No votes will be taken. Board members will also discuss leasing land at Emerson Middle School for a cell phone tower.

I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Some posts were moved to "LPS Shared Vision" topic.

http://z6.invisionfree.com/Livonianeighbor...p?showtopic=728
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Mrs.M
Feb 25 2008, 03:57 PM
http://hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../802240545/1027
Energy, tower on agenda

The Livonia Public Schools Board of Education will discuss details of a contract with an energy conservation management firm during Monday's meeting.

The board will meet as a committee of the whole at 6:30 p.m. at Garfield Elementary School, 10218 Arthur Street. No votes will be taken. Board members will also discuss leasing land at Emerson Middle School for a cell phone tower.

There was a good debate on the energy conservation contract. I will try to post that on LN Video later today.
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Feb 26 2008, 12:08 PM
Mrs.M
Feb 25 2008, 03:57 PM
http://hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../802240545/1027
Energy, tower on agenda

The Livonia Public Schools Board of Education will discuss details of a contract with an energy conservation management firm during Monday's meeting.

The board will meet as a committee of the whole at 6:30 p.m. at Garfield Elementary School, 10218 Arthur Street. No votes will be taken. Board members will also discuss leasing land at Emerson Middle School for a cell phone tower.

There was a good debate on the energy conservation contract. I will try to post that on LN Video later today.

I take it Mrs. Markarian and Mr. King are against Enery Ed. Freeman for because he thinks LPS employees are too busy. What was Mr. Oke's position? How about Mr. Bailey?

Funny how much time was spent debating making $1,200 a month from cell towers. That is like 1 1/2 students.

Was anything said about rebuilding Webster?
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JMO- I don't think they should rebuild Webster. We have lots of empty schools around. I also have concerns about the structural integrity after the fire.
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Feb 26 2008, 02:57 PM

I take it Mrs. Markarian and Mr. King are against Enery Ed.  Freeman for because he thinks LPS employees are too busy.  What was Mr. Oke's position?  How about Mr. Bailey?

That sounds like it's simplified too much, from what I've heard before.

King seems to be just against outsourcing it at consultant rates. (He has previously been very pro energy conservation as a general idea.)

Oke's previous comment was that he reasons we can't do it ourselves because we haven't already. Kind of comical in its naivety, IMO.
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al dente
Feb 26 2008, 02:57 PM
Jimid
Feb 26 2008, 12:08 PM
Mrs.M
Feb 25 2008, 03:57 PM
http://hometownlife.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti.../802240545/1027
Energy, tower on agenda

The Livonia Public Schools Board of Education will discuss details of a contract with an energy conservation management firm during Monday's meeting.

The board will meet as a committee of the whole at 6:30 p.m. at Garfield Elementary School, 10218 Arthur Street. No votes will be taken. Board members will also discuss leasing land at Emerson Middle School for a cell phone tower.

There was a good debate on the energy conservation contract. I will try to post that on LN Video later today.

I take it Mrs. Markarian and Mr. King are against Enery Ed. Freeman for because he thinks LPS employees are too busy. What was Mr. Oke's position? How about Mr. Bailey?

Funny how much time was spent debating making $1,200 a month from cell towers. That is like 1 1/2 students.

Was anything said about rebuilding Webster?

Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting. He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Feb 26 2008, 06:59 PM
Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting. He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.

My child attends Webster @ Taylor.

My child refuses to go to the bathroom the whole day because when they closed Taylor two years ago, they merely locked the doors. Sewer traps were not maintained, and the bathrooms reek.

How's that with your breakfast this fine morning, Randy?
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Feb 28 2008, 09:10 AM
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Feb 26 2008, 06:59 PM
Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting.  He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.

My child attends Webster @ Taylor.

My child refuses to go to the bathroom the whole day because when they closed Taylor two years ago, they merely locked the doors. Sewer traps were not maintained, and the bathrooms reek.

How's that with your breakfast this fine morning, Randy?

Thats what happens when a sewer trap dries up, the fumes flow freely from the drain lines.

That would have been easy to remedy. Just send Randy & Rod over there with disinfectant/deorderizer, buckets & water to flush all the drain lines.



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Feb 28 2008, 09:19 AM
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Feb 28 2008, 09:10 AM
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Feb 26 2008, 06:59 PM
Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting.  He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.

My child attends Webster @ Taylor.

My child refuses to go to the bathroom the whole day because when they closed Taylor two years ago, they merely locked the doors. Sewer traps were not maintained, and the bathrooms reek.

How's that with your breakfast this fine morning, Randy?

Thats what happens when a sewer trap dries up, the fumes flow freely from the drain lines.

That would have been easy to remedy. Just send Randy & Rod over there with disinfectant/deorderizer, buckets & water to flush all the drain lines.



mmmmaky?

I agree. Not hard to fix.
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al dente
Feb 28 2008, 09:53 AM
mmmmkay?
Feb 28 2008, 09:19 AM
Purple Haze
Feb 28 2008, 09:10 AM
LPS Reformer
Feb 26 2008, 06:59 PM
Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting.  He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.

My child attends Webster @ Taylor.

My child refuses to go to the bathroom the whole day because when they closed Taylor two years ago, they merely locked the doors. Sewer traps were not maintained, and the bathrooms reek.

How's that with your breakfast this fine morning, Randy?

Thats what happens when a sewer trap dries up, the fumes flow freely from the drain lines.

That would have been easy to remedy. Just send Randy & Rod over there with disinfectant/deorderizer, buckets & water to flush all the drain lines.



mmmmaky?

I agree. Not hard to fix.

I don't understand. When you mothball a building, but pay maintenance staff to upkeep, just what do they do at LPS, and how do they do it?

Here is the standard operating procedure most companies are required to do per law & per insurance regulations when a building is mothballed. Remember, you still have health code & insurance liability responsibilities when maintaining a closed building.

Establish regular preventative maintenance schedules based on prior maintenance schedules. These are reduced by the percentage of reduction in usage for occupied vs. unoccupied ( think boiler/furnace/cooling system upkeep, filter changes, evaporator cleanings, etc... a lot less when you are not running a full building )

Establish regular functional operating schedule and evaluation for all systems and maintain log record of those functional tests for items like; electrical systems, HVAC, potable water lines, sanitary & sewer lines, mechanical operating items ( like doors, locks, etc... ).

Do immedaite inventory of all goods still housed in the building and do periodic inventory of those goods.

Perform walk around physical inspection of the building for any damage, leaks, rodents, bugs, etc... keep a running log of each inspection. Report any deviations from previous inspection results.

All of this still costs 30% of what it takes to operate a building at full capacity. This is why it is not a large part of the cost savings to close facilities. The cost is in the employees and equipment operation/usage that add up, not the so called "bricks & mortar"
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Feb 28 2008, 11:09 AM
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Feb 28 2008, 09:53 AM
mmmmkay?
Feb 28 2008, 09:19 AM
Purple Haze
Feb 28 2008, 09:10 AM
LPS Reformer
Feb 26 2008, 06:59 PM
Liepa gave a "Webster update" at the verybegining of the meeting.  He said it was way to early to make decisions about the building.

My child attends Webster @ Taylor.

My child refuses to go to the bathroom the whole day because when they closed Taylor two years ago, they merely locked the doors. Sewer traps were not maintained, and the bathrooms reek.

How's that with your breakfast this fine morning, Randy?

Thats what happens when a sewer trap dries up, the fumes flow freely from the drain lines.

That would have been easy to remedy. Just send Randy & Rod over there with disinfectant/deorderizer, buckets & water to flush all the drain lines.



mmmmaky?

I agree. Not hard to fix.

I don't understand. When you mothball a building, but pay maintenance staff to upkeep, just what do they do at LPS, and how do they do it?

Here is the standard operating procedure most companies are required to do per law & per insurance regulations when a building is mothballed. Remember, you still have health code & insurance liability responsibilities when maintaining a closed building.

Establish regular preventative maintenance schedules based on prior maintenance schedules. These are reduced by the percentage of reduction in usage for occupied vs. unoccupied ( think boiler/furnace/cooling system upkeep, filter changes, evaporator cleanings, etc... a lot less when you are not running a full building )

Establish regular functional operating schedule and evaluation for all systems and maintain log record of those functional tests for items like; electrical systems, HVAC, potable water lines, sanitary & sewer lines, mechanical operating items ( like doors, locks, etc... ).

Do immedaite inventory of all goods still housed in the building and do periodic inventory of those goods.

Perform walk around physical inspection of the building for any damage, leaks, rodents, bugs, etc... keep a running log of each inspection. Report any deviations from previous inspection results.

All of this still costs 30% of what it takes to operate a building at full capacity. This is why it is not a large part of the cost savings to close facilities. The cost is in the employees and equipment operation/usage that add up, not the so called "bricks & mortar"

Sounds expensive.
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Feb 28 2008, 12:00 PM

Sounds expensive.

How can it be expensive when there is a maintenance staff assigned to each and every one of the closed facilities? In fact even the buildings that are leased to third parties, have LPS maintenance staff.

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Feb 28 2008, 12:08 PM
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Feb 28 2008, 12:00 PM

Sounds expensive.

How can it be expensive when there is a maintenance staff assigned to each and every one of the closed facilities? In fact even the buildings that are leased to third parties, have LPS maintenance staff.

We have 1 guy who does this for 6 closed facilities in southeastern Michigan ranging from multi-story office buildings, large warehouses, and former production plants. He travels to each on a rotational basis and does these procedures all by himself. He's pretty efficient and very thorough. The process & data collection/reporting is also required as part of our TS/ISO & SOX requirements.
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I know a guy who works for CBRE and he does that stuff all the time. He says its easy to do and he likes his job. He has also said that lots of companies hire them to do this service on closed buildings they still own.
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I wonder if there would be cost savings to outsource the maintenance of the closed buildings? Seems like our custodial staff must be over-qualified for this job. Also, isn't it pretty boring being a custodian of a closed building?

Has the board ever considered this?
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Feb 28 2008, 08:48 PM
I wonder if there would be cost savings to outsource the maintenance of the closed buildings? Seems like our custodial staff must be over-qualified for this job. Also, isn't it pretty boring being a custodian of a closed building?

Has the board ever considered this?

HAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!


You mentioned a bad word.

OUTSOURCE


Nobody on the board or in Central Office even utters those words.



They even tried to hang Steve King when he was running for the BOE as somebody who wanted to outsource all of the jobs. Didn't work though, he still beat Joann Morgan by a huge margin.

Take a shot at it, approach the BOE at a meeting and ask them this question yourself. Would be interesting to hear the answer. Oh, wait a minute, they don't ever answer anybody. Sorry.
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