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Michelle Obama - As bad as her husband; Signs of how things are up in her head.
Topic Started: Feb 20 2008, 01:51 AM (2,236 Views)
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Michelle Obama: “For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country”.
Can't think of a darned thing, Michelle?
Shades of things to come .... I'm just saying.
What a shame. A mind is beautiful thing to waste. :unsure:
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Xena
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I dont know what point you are trying to make here, but I dont believe Michele Obama is a candidate. This kind of mean spiritedness is uncalled for. Maybe we should now try and find comments from the other candidates spouses?
How does this have any place in a primary race?
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It's unfortunate that a person can reach a certain status/stage in their life and has been able to miss so many great things that have happened. Are you referring to my comment or Michelle's when you state that overused and over clichéd ''mean spiritedness'' phrase? :o :P
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livoniarocks
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Feb 20 2008, 01:25 PM
I dont know what point you are trying to make here, but I dont believe Michele Obama is a candidate. This kind of mean spiritedness is uncalled for. Maybe we should now try and find comments from the other candidates spouses?
How does this have any place in a primary race?

She may not be on the ticket, but who she is is still important. Heck, Hillary is only here because of her spouse. Historically first ladies have done a lot during their tenure.
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Feb 21 2008, 10:53 AM
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Feb 20 2008, 01:25 PM
I dont know what point you are trying to make here, but I dont believe Michele Obama is  a candidate. This kind of mean spiritedness  is uncalled for.  Maybe we  should now try and find comments from the other candidates spouses?
How does this have any place in a primary race?

She may not be on the ticket, but who she is is still important. Heck, Hillary is only here because of her spouse. Historically first ladies have done a lot during their tenure.

Such as?

First ladies are nothing more than dignitaries. I think Laura Bush's biggest contribution during her husband's administration has been lending her support to reading programs. Hillary was the exception, not the rule. And even she scaled it way down once people felt she was getting too involved in policy.
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Did you ever stop to think that maybe you and Michelle Obama might just have a large difference of perspective? Are you a female person of color living in the United States? Have you ever been instantly judged because of the color of your skin? Or have any of you or any of your family members been denied basic civil rights because of a difference of color, religion or sexual orientation? If you can not answer yes to any of these questions then you probably can't really understand the perspective from which this comment might have originated from. I understood what she was trying to say but the spin doctors take comments like hers and disconnect them from their intended meaning.

Look at the history of violence for those who were trying to make a difference...

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. - shot dead
Robert Kennedy - shot dead
John Lennon - shot dead
Ghandi - shot dead
John F Kennedy Jr. - shot dead
Medgar Evers - shot dead

All because they wanted peace and equality in this world.

We stand on the verge of history....

That fact needs to be respected.
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''Have you ever been instantly judged because of the color of your skin? Or have any of you or any of your family members been denied basic civil rights because of a difference of color, religion or sexual orientation?''

Why, yes!
I had the tar beat out of me, had my car stolen and robbed in Detroit because I'm not black. I was in Detroit while white. And I was there visiting a dear .... who is black. LOL. And that took care of my civil rights!!!
So what's your point?
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George
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Feb 21 2008, 06:25 PM
''Have you ever been instantly judged because of the color of your skin? Or have any of you or any of your family members been denied basic civil rights because of a difference of color, religion or sexual orientation?''

Why, yes!
I had the tar beat out of me, had my car stolen and robbed in Detroit because I'm not black.  I was in Detroit while white. And I was there visiting a dear .... who is black. LOL. And that took care of my civil rights!!!
So what's your point?

I think that you need to check your thoughts @ your keyboard. It's pretty apparent that you need to mingle and get to know people who are not "like" you. You may find that there are good people of all colors, sizes and shapes. I'm sorry you had the tar beat out of you in Detroit, but not everyone is like that.
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Sorry ... the question was asked ( even thought the original post had nothing to do with race, sex, creed, etc.) and I answered it. What's your problem with it? Did you not like the Domestic Diva's question.
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BoaterDan
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Feb 21 2008, 11:26 AM

That fact needs to be respected.

Facts?! Ha!

Your post is mostly opinion and conjecture. Who do you think you're fooling?

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Feb 21 2008, 11:26 AM
We stand on the verge of history...






Can anyone argue this?
We have a African American man and a white woman running for PRESIDENT!!
Who would have thought we would be here today. I am amazed and thankful to be witnessing this. Its to bad we have had to go through hell to get here, involved in a war thats based on lies. You may not like Barak Obama but it seems millions of people across this country do, and are working for CHANGE! There is actual excitement among voters, when did we last see that? When Robert Kennedy was running?
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Feb 20 2008, 02:25 PM
I dont know what point you are trying to make here, but I dont believe Michele Obama is a candidate. This kind of mean spiritedness is uncalled for. Maybe we should now try and find comments from the other candidates spouses?
How does this have any place in a primary race?

Anytime someone has a microphone and TV cameras and are ready to use it they open themselves up to any and all criticism. Since [we] aren't fortunate enough to have those things we do have forums to voice our opinions through. So if the spouses want to be part of the process then we have a right to criticize what they say. They may not be running for office but they interject themselves into it. We have every right to comment on their speeches!

If you don't know what point I'm trying to make then how would you know that it's mean spirited?
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Feb 20 2008, 12:51 AM

Shades of things to come .... I'm just saying.
What a shame. A mind is beautiful thing to waste. :unsure:

mean spirited? I guess its all in the interpretation.
WAS it meant to be? Perhaps I read it wrong? The title of the thread "Michele Obama- As bad as her husband", made me suspect If that was not your intent I apologize.
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Mrs.M
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Feb 21 2008, 10:53 AM
Xena
Feb 20 2008, 01:25 PM
I dont know what point you are trying to make here, but I dont believe Michele Obama is  a candidate. This kind of mean spiritedness  is uncalled for.  Maybe we  should now try and find comments from the other candidates spouses?
How does this have any place in a primary race?

She may not be on the ticket, but who she is is still important. Heck, Hillary is only here because of her spouse. Historically first ladies have done a lot during their tenure.

So it's OK to talk about this spouse?

Kwame Carlita
Mike Laura
Bill Hillary
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Feb 22 2008, 09:57 AM
Domestic Diva
Feb 21 2008, 11:26 AM
We stand on the verge of history...






Can anyone argue this?
We have a African American man and a white woman running for PRESIDENT!!
Who would have thought we would be here today. I am amazed and thankful to be witnessing this. Its to bad we have had to go through hell to get here, involved in a war thats based on lies. You may not like Barak Obama but it seems millions of people across this country do, and are working for CHANGE! There is actual excitement among voters, when did we last see that? When Robert Kennedy was running?
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The color and sex of the candidates is not what should be the most important thing in this race. It's what they stand for, what they will do for and to this country with their leftist (socialist) thinking. That's what the most important thing is to me. The fact that they are the race and sex they are - are secondary to me. So race and sex aren't as important as what comes out of their mouthes. So far, I have not heard anything of great substance come from either one. I do know that they have established themselves as SOCIALISTS - and that's NOT a good thing. But that's about it - not that that isn't important. But I don't think people are hearing and listening to that. I know that neither of them will proect you from terrorism. That's not what socialists do.
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Extra Olives
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Feb 22 2008, 10:50 AM
I know that neither of them will proect you from terrorism. That's not what socialists do.

And Bush has? Osama bin Laden is still out there and since we invaded Iraq (a country that had no ties to 9/11), we have created a breeding ground of terrorist networks there. So tell me, how has the current administration "protected us from terrorism?"
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Micki
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Xena
Feb 22 2008, 08:57 AM
Domestic Diva
Feb 21 2008, 11:26 AM
We stand on the verge of history...






Can anyone argue this?
We have a African American man and a white woman running for PRESIDENT!!
Who would have thought we would be here today. I am amazed and thankful to be witnessing this. Its to bad we have had to go through hell to get here, involved in a war thats based on lies. You may not like Barak Obama but it seems millions of people across this country do, and are working for CHANGE! There is actual excitement among voters, when did we last see that? When Robert Kennedy was running?
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There was some excitement over Bobby but he never even made it into office. He was killed during the primaries and wasn't ever nominated. Are you meaning to make a parallel with JFK? Or are you referring to the enthusiasm that was behind Bobby during his campaigning?

As for Barack, I believe Hillary will beat him in the primaries. He does have some momentum, but I really don't see him making it as far as actually being a candidate for President of the United States. Maybe when he grows up a little bit, gets some more experience and doesn't lean so far to the left that the right wing conservatists are afraid he is going to topple over and fall on them. I include myself in the previous comment, so no slam intended. He is frightening to many and I don't believe that the U.S. is ready for Barack as president, in my opinion. He is just a kid, politically.
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Vanna White
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Feb 22 2008, 10:50 AM
I do know that they have established themselves as SOCIALISTS - and that's NOT a good thing.

Can you explain exactly how Mr. Obama and his wife have established themselves as socialists? It certainly raises fear when someone is labeled this way, but it would be nice to know more specifics about why such a label is being used. Has Obama himself stated that he believes in socialist ideals? Has he said that he believes that all property and the distribution of wealth should be subject to control by the state or a collective of some sort? While I would agree that Obama is liberal/left of center, I have never heard anything about him declaring himself as a socialist. Can you explain your position on this?
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Micki
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I haven't either Vanna. I am interested in hearing about that too. I don't like Barack at all, yet, I would rather have the facts.
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Micki
Feb 22 2008, 11:16 AM
Xena
Feb 22 2008, 08:57 AM
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Feb 21 2008, 11:26 AM
We stand on the verge of history...






Can anyone argue this?
We have a African American man and a white woman running for PRESIDENT!!
Who would have thought we would be here today. I am amazed and thankful to be witnessing this. Its to bad we have had to go through hell to get here, involved in a war thats based on lies. You may not like Barak Obama but it seems millions of people across this country do, and are working for CHANGE! There is actual excitement among voters, when did we last see that? When Robert Kennedy was running?
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There was some excitement over Bobby but he never even made it into office. He was killed during the primaries and wasn't ever nominated. Are you meaning to make a parallel with JFK? Or are you referring to the enthusiasm that was behind Bobby during his campaigning?

As for Barack, I believe Hillary will beat him in the primaries. He does have some momentum, but I really don't see him making it as far as actually being a candidate for President of the United States. Maybe when he grows up a little bit, gets some more experience and doesn't lean so far to the left that the right wing conservatists are afraid he is going to topple over and fall on them. I include myself in the previous comment, so no slam intended. He is frightening to many and I don't believe that the U.S. is ready for Barack as president, in my opinion. He is just a kid, politically.

I did mean Robert Kennedy Micki, though he was killed before he had a chance to be nominated I truly believe he would have won not only the democratic nomination but the Presidency as well. Not that it matters now, but I see and hear the same sort of excitement especially from young voters now as when Kennedy was running. People want change, BIG change from the Bush years, these war years.
Obama offers that.
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