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One-year contract settlement; Retirement Incentive
Topic Started: Feb 8 2008, 09:54 PM (3,429 Views)
Sourapples
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Micki
Feb 9 2008, 04:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised. When you hear there will be a buy out it usually correlates with lay offs. My friend has been laid off in Livonia for 2 years. It is crazy.

What else can they do but lay off? Why with the numbers of students they keep driving away LPS cannot keep hiding staff on the payroll like they have been.

Unfortunately the teachers will be the most sorely missed and the most obvious loss.

But what about all of the other support staff? Why do we still have a supervisor and 1 maintenance person for many closed buildings? What's with the huge increase in employees designated as "other" on the REP reports? Who are all those additional heads they have put in at the Jackson Center?

Before cutting, or paying teachers to leave they should be looking at how to be more efficient in other areas.
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Bill Williamson
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Sourapples
Feb 12 2008, 07:38 AM
Micki
Feb 9 2008, 04:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised.  When you hear there will be a buy out it usually correlates with lay offs.  My friend has been laid off in Livonia for 2 years.  It is crazy.

What else can they do but lay off? Why with the numbers of students they keep driving away LPS cannot keep hiding staff on the payroll like they have been.

Unfortunately the teachers will be the most sorely missed and the most obvious loss.

But what about all of the other support staff? Why do we still have a supervisor and 1 maintenance person for many closed buildings? What's with the huge increase in employees designated as "other" on the REP reports? Who are all those additional heads they have put in at the Jackson Center?

Before cutting, or paying teachers to leave they should be looking at how to be more efficient in other areas.

An Everyday Math problem: "Show your work".
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A district provides an average compensation / benefit pkg. of $70,000 for each employee
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A school district averages 1250 students per K-12 grade level
How many students does this district have. 13 levels x 1,250 = 16,250
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This district strives to maintain small class sizes and tries to keep an average of 25
students per classroom. How many teachers does this district need? 16,250 / 25 = 650
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On average each teacher is provided 1 support staff.
How many support position does this district employ? 650 x 1 = 650
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The district spends on average $80,000 for teacher compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated for it's teachers? 52,000,000
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The district spends on average $30,000 for support staff compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated toward support staff? 19,500,000
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This district loses 25 students per grade level. How many students less are in the district. 325
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If each student receives an 8200 credit from the state, how much less
State revenue would this district receive? 325 x 8200 = 2,665,000
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On average, how many less teacher will be needed the following year. 325 / 25 = 13
How many less support staff would be needed the folllowing year? 325 / 25 = 13
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How much less money could this district spend on staff 13 x 80,000= 1,040,000
13 x 30,000 = 390,000
Total staff savings =1,440,000
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What size windfall or deficit would this district experience?
1,440,000 - 2,665,000 = a Deficit of 1,225,000
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How many additional employees would this district need to hire or layoff, at an avg. of
$70,000 to equal the reduction in State funding? 1,225,000 / 70,000 = 175
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Sourapples
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Oops!

Didn't show your work on this one Bill

-1 on your assignment grade

This district loses 25 students per grade level. How many students less are in the district. 325

25 X 13 = 325
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Vanna White
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Bill Williamson
Feb 12 2008, 12:05 PM
Sourapples
Feb 12 2008, 07:38 AM
Micki
Feb 9 2008, 04:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised.  When you hear there will be a buy out it usually correlates with lay offs.  My friend has been laid off in Livonia for 2 years.  It is crazy.

What else can they do but lay off? Why with the numbers of students they keep driving away LPS cannot keep hiding staff on the payroll like they have been.

Unfortunately the teachers will be the most sorely missed and the most obvious loss.

But what about all of the other support staff? Why do we still have a supervisor and 1 maintenance person for many closed buildings? What's with the huge increase in employees designated as "other" on the REP reports? Who are all those additional heads they have put in at the Jackson Center?

Before cutting, or paying teachers to leave they should be looking at how to be more efficient in other areas.

An Everyday Math problem: "Show your work".
-
A district provides an average compensation / benefit pkg. of $70,000 for each employee
-
A school district averages 1250 students per K-12 grade level
How many students does this district have. 13 levels x 1,250 = 16,250
-
This district strives to maintain small class sizes and tries to keep an average of 25
students per classroom. How many teachers does this district need? 16,250 / 25 = 650
-
On average each teacher is provided 1 support staff.
How many support position does this district employ? 650 x 1 = 650
-
The district spends on average $80,000 for teacher compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated for it's teachers? 52,000,000
-
The district spends on average $30,000 for support staff compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated toward support staff? 19,500,000
-
This district loses 25 students per grade level. How many students less are in the district. 325
-
If each student receives an 8200 credit from the state, how much less
State revenue would this district receive? 325 x 8200 = 2,665,000
-
On average, how many less teacher will be needed the following year. 325 / 25 = 13
How many less support staff would be needed the folllowing year? 325 / 25 = 13
-
How much less money could this district spend on staff 13 x 80,000= 1,040,000
13 x 30,000 = 390,000
Total staff savings =1,440,000
-
What size windfall or deficit would this district experience?
1,440,000 - 2,665,000 = a Deficit of 1,225,000
-
How many additional employees would this district need to hire or layoff, at an avg. of
$70,000 to equal the reduction in State funding? 1,225,000 / 70,000 = 175

1,225,000 / 70,000 = 17.5
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Nikki
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Wrong!

25 X 10= about 250 (numbers with zeros are easier to work with.)

Or.....

25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25 + 25=325

Or.....
You could draw 13 groups of 25 students each, make 325 tally marks or draw a lattice.

EM teaches us there are many different ways to solve a problem. The answer is not important....it's how you get there.
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Bill Williamson
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Vanna White
Feb 12 2008, 01:08 PM
Bill Williamson
Feb 12 2008, 12:05 PM
Sourapples
Feb 12 2008, 07:38 AM
Micki
Feb 9 2008, 04:24 PM
I wouldn't be surprised.  When you hear there will be a buy out it usually correlates with lay offs.  My friend has been laid off in Livonia for 2 years.  It is crazy.

What else can they do but lay off? Why with the numbers of students they keep driving away LPS cannot keep hiding staff on the payroll like they have been.

Unfortunately the teachers will be the most sorely missed and the most obvious loss.

But what about all of the other support staff? Why do we still have a supervisor and 1 maintenance person for many closed buildings? What's with the huge increase in employees designated as "other" on the REP reports? Who are all those additional heads they have put in at the Jackson Center?

Before cutting, or paying teachers to leave they should be looking at how to be more efficient in other areas.

An Everyday Math problem: "Show your work".
-
A district provides an average compensation / benefit pkg. of $70,000 for each employee
-
A school district averages 1250 students per K-12 grade level
How many students does this district have. 13 levels x 1,250 = 16,250
-
This district strives to maintain small class sizes and tries to keep an average of 25
students per classroom. How many teachers does this district need? 16,250 / 25 = 650
-
On average each teacher is provided 1 support staff.
How many support position does this district employ? 650 x 1 = 650
-
The district spends on average $80,000 for teacher compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated for it's teachers? 52,000,000
-
The district spends on average $30,000 for support staff compensation and benefits
How much revenue is dedicated toward support staff? 19,500,000
-
This district loses 25 students per grade level. How many students less are in the district. 325
-
If each student receives an 8200 credit from the state, how much less
State revenue would this district receive? 325 x 8200 = 2,665,000
-
On average, how many less teacher will be needed the following year. 325 / 25 = 13
How many less support staff would be needed the folllowing year? 325 / 25 = 13
-
How much less money could this district spend on staff 13 x 80,000= 1,040,000
13 x 30,000 = 390,000
Total staff savings =1,440,000
-
What size windfall or deficit would this district experience?
1,440,000 - 2,665,000 = a Deficit of 1,225,000
-
How many additional employees would this district need to hire or layoff, at an avg. of
$70,000 to equal the reduction in State funding? 1,225,000 / 70,000 = 175

1,225,000 / 70,000 = 17.5

Thank you, you're right. That missing decimal point would make 175 = 17.5
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So, 13 Teachers, 13 support staff and 17 additional retirement packages
equals, 43 less staff for each 1/2 student loss per classroom.
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650 rooms x .5 = 325 total student loss.
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I could be concluded that a staff reduction of 43
would this help to keep that districts books balanced?
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Hopeful
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Bill Williamson
Feb 12 2008, 02:37 PM

Thank you, you're right. That missing decimal point would make 175 = 17.5
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So, 13 Teachers, 13 support staff and 17 additional retirement packages
equals, 43 less staff for each 1/2 student loss per classroom.
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650 rooms x .5 = 325 total student loss.
-
I could be concluded that a staff reduction of 43
would this help to keep that districts books balanced?

Didn't LPS lose more than 325 students since the LI was implemented? And the teacher/staffing requirements increased for the 06/07 school year?

Is this another Everyday Math problem? where the solution doesn't really matter.....just that you hired more staff to get there!?!?!? ;)

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Hopeful
Feb 12 2008, 03:28 PM
Bill Williamson
Feb 12 2008, 02:37 PM

Thank you, you're right.  That missing decimal point would make 175 = 17.5

So, 13 Teachers, 13 support staff and 17 additional retirement packages
equals, 43 less staff for each 1/2 student loss per classroom.

650 rooms x .5 = 325 total student loss.
-
I could be concluded that a staff reduction of 43
would this help to keep that districts books balanced?

Didn't LPS lose more than 325 students since the LI was implemented? And the teacher/staffing requirements increased for the 06/07 school year?

Is this another Everyday Math problem? where the solution doesn't really matter.....just that you hired more staff to get there!?!?!? ;)

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IlikeLIvonia
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Feb 12 2008, 11:30 PM
Hopeful
Feb 12 2008, 03:28 PM
Bill Williamson
Feb 12 2008, 02:37 PM

Thank you, you're right.  That missing decimal point would make 175 = 17.5

So, 13 Teachers, 13 support staff and 17 additional retirement packages
equals, 43 less staff for each 1/2 student loss per classroom.

650 rooms x .5 = 325 total student loss.
-
I could be concluded that a staff reduction of 43
would this help to keep that districts books balanced?

Didn't LPS lose more than 325 students since the LI was implemented? And the teacher/staffing requirements increased for the 06/07 school year?

Is this another Everyday Math problem? where the solution doesn't really matter.....just that you hired more staff to get there!?!?!? ;)

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Musta been in the textbooks for EM and I just missed it!

Thanks!
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From Steve King's blog:

Contract Extension

I was corralled by a teacher at the PTSA Foundation event inquiring why I voted no on the contract extension. The story in the Observer did not elaborate on my position or cover the meeting when the vote was taken. This meeting was not televised either and there was good discussion about many things witnessed by no one. I am more than willing to explain my votes to any one who cares to ask. As far as the no vote on the one year contract extension. This vote was tie barred to another ERI (early retirement incentive) so if you voted yes on the extension you were voting yes for the ERI which I do not support.

The contract also contains language that does not allow Athletic Directors to hire who they want to coach teams in their school. It is written in a way that if a teacher wants a coaching job they get it because it is contractual.

If Tiger Woods wanted to coach the golf team the AD would have to tell him sorry the social studies teacher wants that job. I believe the coach of any student endeavor should be the most qualified person for the job whether they are a teacher in the building or the district or not. I am not saying teachers should not coach, I just think they should compete on a level playing field for coaching positions. There are many other things in the contract that I feel need to be discussed. Why are teachers burdened with bus duty, lunch and playground duty and a myriad of other chores that certainly could be done by others?

Teachers need to focus on planning and teaching, the job they were trained to do. This current contract is a compilation of so many things piled up over so much time that I am not sure how many teachers are aware of all it contains. Labor negotiators tell me after so many years you need to start fresh and bargain for what really matters. Most of the teachers I talk to want a good benefits package, particularly health insurance, and a fair wage as well as support from their building administrator. Nothing more , nothing less.
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Mrs.M
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Thank you...Very interesting explanation of a no vote. I think Trustees should be honest enough to explain why they vote as they do, ESPECIALLY if there are underlying circumstances that the public is unaware of. If honesty and openness were characteristics of this district AND the people supposedly in charge, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in.

It reminds me of the reasons and thought process Bailey gave (from his heart) for voting no on the LI. YES that is my opinion. [size=1]and Im sticking to it.[/size]
I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be WRONG.
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Why is it that Steve is the only BOE member that will explain hinself?
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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