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Who will run for Governor?; Archer? Cox?
Topic Started: Feb 7 2008, 12:00 PM (2,281 Views)
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Dennis W. Archer

Areas of Practice Emphasis

  • Commercial & Business Litigation
  • Appellate Litigation
  • Alternative Dispute Resolution
  • Labor & Employment Relations
  • Employee Benefits
  • Corporate

Prominent Assignments

  • Chairman, Dickinson Wright PLLC, 2002-present
  • Chairman, Board of Directors, Detroit Regional Chamber,
    2006-2007
  • President, American Bar Association, 2003-2004
  • Mayor of Detroit, 1994-2001
  • President, National League of Cities
  • Associate Justice, Michigan Supreme Court, 1986-1990
Education
J.D., Detroit College of Law, 1970
B.S. in Education, Western Michigan University, 1965

Admitted to Practice
Michigan, 1970
District of Columbia, 1972

  • U.S. District Court, Eastern District of Michigan, 1970
  • U.S. Court of Appeals, Sixth Circuit, 1970
  • U.S. Supreme Court, 1974
  • U.S. Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, 2004
Professional and Community Involvement

American Bar Association:
- President, 2003-2004
- Member, Board of Governors, 1999-2002

National Bar Association:
- President, 1983-1984
- Life Member

Former President, Wolverine Bar Association, 1979-1980
Detroit Bar Association:
- Member, Board of Directors, 1973-1975
- Chairman, Young Lawyers Section, 1973-1975

Michigan State Delegate, 1990-1996
Member, House of Delegates, 1979-1996
Associate Professor, Detroit College of Law, 1972-1978
Adjunct Professor, Wayne State University Law School, 1984-1985
Life Member, Sixth Circuit Judicial Conference
Life Member of Fellows, American Bar Foundation and Life Member of Fellows, Michigan State Bar Foundation
Fellow, International Society of Barristers

Selected Honors

  • Named among "100 Most Influential Black Americans," Ebony magazine
  • Named one of the "25 Most Dynamic Mayors in America" by Newsweek magazine
  • Named "Most Respected Judge in Michigan," Michigan Lawyers Weekly, April 1990
  • Named among "100 Most Powerful Attorneys in the United States," National Law Journal, April 1985
  • Named "Public Official of the Year," Governing magazine, 2000
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Personal Information

Born Dennis Wayne Archer on January 1, 1942, in Detroit, MI; son of Ernest James and Frances Carroll Archer; married Trudy DunCombe, June 17, 1967; children: Dennis Wayne, Jr., Vincent DunCombe
Education: Attended Wayne State University, 1959-61, and Detroit Institute of Technology, 1961-63; Western Michigan University, B.S., 1965; Detroit College of Law, J.D., 1970.
Memberships: International Society of Barristers; National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, life member; National Bar Association, president, 1983-84; American Bar Association, pres-elect, 2002, pres, 2003; State Bar of Michigan, president, 1984-85; American and Michigan Trial Lawyers Associations; U.S. Conference of Mayors, former pres; Compuware, bd member, 2001-.

Career

Public school teacher, 1965-70; Gragg & Gardner (law firm), Detroit, attorney, 1970-71; Hall, Stone, Allen, Archer & Glenn, partner, 1971-73; Detroit College of Law, associate professor, 1972-78; Charfoos, Christensen & Archer, partner, 1973-86; Wayne State University Law School, adjunct professor, 1984-85; Michigan State Supreme Court, justice, 1986-90; Dickinson, Wright, Moon, Van Dusen & Freeman, partner, 1991-93, chairman, 2002-; mayor of Detroit, 1994-01.

Life's Work

Promising an administration that would be distinguished by such qualities as openness, accessibility, and cooperation, Dennis Archer became the mayor of the city of Detroit on January 3, 1994. Archer--a prominent local attorney and a former justice on the Michigan State Supreme Court--was elected Detroit's mayor after a campaign in which he promised better city services, a tougher stance on crime, and increased incentives for business in the city. Poised and soft-spoken, Archer succeeded the popular but volatile Coleman Young, who ran Detroit for twenty years. "Dennis Archer is certain to transform the Detroit mayor's office, southeast Michigan's most important political job," wrote Bill McGraw in the Detroit Free Press. "Judicious, restrained and conciliatory where Young ... is blunt, charismatic and confrontational, ... Archer represents a new generation and a fresh style."

Archer won Detroit's 1993 mayoral race by earning 57 percent of the vote against a strong candidate, Sharon McPhail, who had received Coleman Young's endorsement. In a long and sometimes bitter campaign, Archer found himself accused of elitism--of catering to white interests rather than caring about the serious problems besetting black Detroiters. Archer, who grew up poor himself, answered the charges by promising to build coalitions of all races, creeds, and economic levels to produce real improvement in the troubled city of one million. He told the Detroit Free Press: "Let it be clear that I stand ready to work with anyone within our city and beyond our city borders in an effort to redeem our city and to build a better future." After two terms, Archer returned to the private sector, becoming the first African-American president of the American Bar Association.

Up From the Farm

A "better future" was always a goal for Dennis Archer. His early life was one of numbing poverty, made bearable only by his parents' assurance that education would help him improve his lot in life. Archer was born in Detroit on New Year's Day in 1942. While he was still a baby, his family moved to a ramshackle farmhouse in Cassopolis, Michigan, a rural community in the far southwestern part of the state. Archer's father had a third grade education and was permanently disabled by the loss of an arm in an automobile accident. He worked the Cassopolis farm as best he could and also did odd jobs for a store owner in nearby South Bend, Indiana. The farmhouse in which the Archer family lived had no insulation to block the winter winds and no indoor plumbing. It was so close to a railroad track that it shook when trains passed. An Ebony magazine contributor noted that the only suit Archer owned "was his marching band uniform."

Archer credited his parents for convincing him that schooling would be his escape from Cassopolis. He graduated from Cassopolis High in 1959 and washed dishes to put himself through college, graduating from Western Michigan University in 1965. At that time, it was his dream to be a school teacher. After earning his bachelor's degree, he moved east to Detroit and joined the public school system, where he worked with emotionally disabled youngsters. There he met another young teacher, Trudy DunCombe. Unlike Archer, DunCombe had grown up in relatively affluent circumstances in one of Detroit's historic neighborhoods. Unlikely as the match might have seemed to their families, the two married in 1967 and began a long journey of mutual support and encouragement.

It was Archer's wife who persuaded him to attend law school. He began taking night courses at the Detroit College of Law and earned a degree in 1970. Shortly thereafter, he passed the Michigan bar and moved from teaching into the law firm of Gragg & Gardner. After only a year there he moved to Hall, Stone, Allen, Archer & Glenn, where he was made a partner. His success established in a new field, he encouraged his wife to attend law school as well. Theirs was a busy life with careers, two young sons, and continuing education, but they still had time to enter the political arena as volunteers for area candidates.

Archer told Ebony that his financially secure, high-profile lifestyle sometimes amazed him. "When I was growing up in Cassopolis, I did not envision that I would ever become a teacher," he said. "I never thought I'd even be a lawyer. I wouldn't even have thought enough to dream about being on the Michigan Supreme Court. Now, I find myself privileged to serve our citizens as the next mayor of Detroit. That is something that was beyond my comprehension."

In the 1970s Archer and his family moved to a comfortable home in the stylish Palmer Woods neighborhood of Detroit. Archer became quite active in Democratic politics in southeastern Michigan, directing campaigns to re-elect Coleman Young as mayor of Detroit in 1977, Shirley Hall for city clerk in 1981, and George Crockett, Jr., for congressman in 1982. The affable lawyer's ties to such important political figures inevitably widened his own sphere of influence. He was a partner in the law firm of Charfoos, Christensen & Archer until 1986, when he was appointed to the Michigan Supreme Court as a justice by then-Governor James Blanchard.

Dedicated to Detroit

The state supreme court appointment seemed to signal an end to Archer's political career. It was a prestigious posting that could be expected to continue indefinitely. Indeed, he was only two years away from a guaranteed annual pension of $50,000, when he decided, in 1990, to step down from the bench, return to the private practice of law, and seek the mayoralty of Detroit. Archer's choice to re-enter politics was a momentous decision. He found support from his wife, who had by that time become a district court judge herself, and his sons, who were nearing college age. Support from Detroit's formidable political machinery was far more problematic. In December of 1990 Archer met privately with Mayor Young and told him, as quoted in the Detroit Free Press, "I'd like to emulate what you've done." Young, who was in his seventies and suffering from emphysema, remained non-committal, in part because at the time he was still considering a possible sixth term as mayor.

As the months passed, Archer made it plain that he planned to run for mayor of Detroit even if it meant facing Coleman Young in a race. It was an audacious decision. Despite his failing health, Young remained wildly popular in Detroit. He was perceived as a fiercely independent politician who could guard the city against "hostile" forces in the predominantly white suburbs. From the moment of his formal announcement in November of 1992, Archer forged a more conciliatory approach as his campaign tactic--and he fearlessly blasted Young for his style of government. "The days when a handful of politicians can sit in a back room and carve up this city are over," Archer told the Detroit Free Press. "It is time for opening the windows and letting fresh air into City Hall."

Predictably, that comment angered Coleman Young. Once Young decided not to run himself for a sixth term, he endorsed a rival candidate, Sharon McPhail. Detroit Free Press correspondent Patricia Montemurri wrote: "Young's backing gave McPhail an instant organization and within days, at least $250,000 through a $5,000-a-head fund-raiser attended by many city officials or businesspeople who were investing in their jobs or city contracts. But it also played into Archer's hands, linking McPhail to a tired city government that was short on services and battered by a reputation for cronyism and corruption. Young's endorsement [of McPhail] helped Archer crystallize the race as a contest between new and old, change and more of the same."

The 1993 campaign for mayor of Detroit was punctuated by each candidate's attacks on the other. Montemurri saw it this way: "From the outset of his campaign, Dennis Archer had been troubled by what he called 'the drumbeat.' It began as a whisper. Archer was upper-crust, elitist, distant by choice from the middle and lower-class blacks who made up the bulk of Detroit. After he had lunch with Oakland County Executive L. Brooks Patterson, the embodiment of mean-spirited suburban racism to many black Detroiters, Archer was labeled a lackey of some vague, white power brokers who wanted to reclaim the city. Archer, in sum, wasn't black enough to be mayor of a city that was about eighty percent African American. McPhail turned the whisper to a roar, playing the race card early and often."

Possibly the worst blow to Archer in this respect came just a month before the November of 1993 election. A well-known and highly respected black clergyman, Reverend Charles Adams, told an audience at a McPhail fund-raiser, as reported in the Detroit Free Press: "They want a nice mayor. They want a mayor to shuffle when he's not going anywhere, scratch when he's not itching and grin when he's not tickled." Adams was referring once again to Archer's perceived courtship of white interests in Detroit's suburbs.

Archer was genuinely wounded by this line of attack. He told the Detroit Free Press: "I wasn't born wearing the kind of clothes I'm wearing. I wasn't born driving the car I'm driving. I wasn't born making the money I'm making. What kind of message does that [campaign tactic] send our children? Does that mean you have to turn your hat around backward and call somebody names in order to be considered worthy of being part of the community?" Archer continued to stress that he wanted to work with anyone--and everyone--who was interested in improving Detroit, be they black, white, Arabic, Jewish, suburban, or city-dweller.

Less than a week after making his statement about Archer, Reverend Adams phoned Archer to apologize. Some weeks later, just prior to election day, Archer was invited to address Adams's congregation at the Hartford Memorial Baptist Church. According to reports in the Detroit Free Press, Archer took the pulpit and told the audience: "It has been said throughout this campaign that 'they' want to take the city back and that 'they' have a candidate. I hope to let you know who they are and who I represent. I represent the people who can't get their garbage picked up on time ... their streetlights to stay on all night ... their phone calls answered at city hall. I stand before you representing children who are more concerned about surviving the school day ... the homeless, the disenfranchised and the working poor who want affordable housing, and a clean and decent place in which to live." At the close of his speech, Archer received a hug from Reverend Adams.

Voted Mayor in 1993 Elections

Archer won the November of 1993 election by a 57-43 percent margin. Exit polls revealed that Archer received ninety percent of the votes by white Detroiters but only 47 percent of the black vote--to McPhail's 52 percent. The outcome was nonetheless gratifying for a candidate who had run on a "Detroit for All, All for Detroit" platform and who had promised to invite media scrutiny on every level of his government. "I don't think there's any question that this has been a bitter and divisive race," Archer told the Detroit Free Press at the post-election party in his honor. "But I've got faith in our community. We have a real strong capability of coming together and doing so rather quickly, because what we want is for the common good of all of our people in this city."

Archer was sworn in on January 3, 1994, in an emotional ceremony that included a heartfelt introduction by his oldest son. Immediately upon entering office, he began an aggressive agenda aimed at improving city services, increasing the number of policemen on the streets, and opening city government to suggestions from citizens and scrutiny from the media. "It's clear that Michigan--for the moment at least--simply adores the new mayor of Detroit," wrote Hugh McDiarmid in the Detroit Free Press just weeks after Archer took office. "He is Mr. Good Guy who can do no wrong."

The early days of the mayor's term were marked by a media blitz surrounding the attack on U.S. figure skater Nancy Kerrigan at Cobo Hall in Detroit. According to an Associated Press report, the incident "didn't help [Archer's] efforts to rid the city of its reputation as an unsafe place," but his smooth handling of the situation--along with the discovery that the assault had been planned by outsiders--helped the city to rebound from the negative press.

Detroit remained in the spotlight for the rest of the winter of 1994, largely because the city played host to the G-7 Job Summit, an international event in which representatives from seven nations met to determine the most effective ways to increase global employment opportunities. Once again, Archer dazzled the media--and even left President Bill Clinton--a close friend--winded after a brisk jog on neighboring Belle Isle. Archer told Ebony that he realized he faced enormous obstacles in his quest to improve Detroit, but he still contended that with the help of other motivated citizens, he could make a change.

Made Significant Changes in Detroit

Once in office Archer made improvements in Detroit. During his tenure, Archer attracted new business--$11 billion of industrial and commercial projects--to Detroit, including computer giant, Compuware. Many also attribute this success to Detroit's being one of the first cities's to receive $100 million for an Empowerment Zone. Archer also began negotiations for the Detroit Tigers's new baseball stadium, Comerica Park. It opened in 2000. He laid the foundation for the Detroit Lions's return to the city with a new football stadium. The Lions moved from Pontiac, Michigan, to the new Ford Field in the fall of 2002.

Many may consider Archer's most defining moment as the day when voters okayed three casinos in the city limits. The road to opening day for each casino was marked with many potholes. The battles began with bids coming from all over, including the Mirage and MGM Grand as well as investor groups that included pop icon Michael Jackson and the first African-American casino owner, local business owner Don Barden. In the end, licenses were awarded to MGM Grand, Atwater/Circus Circus (MotorCity Casino), and Greektown/Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Greektown Casino). Each casino opened in temporary buildings while the mayor and the city council waged war over where to place each permanently. The dispute raged well into the summer of 2002.

Though his detractors still harassed Archer, including trying to get enough signatures to push for a recall, he continued to strive to change the economic and social climate of Detroit. Crime was down and so was the unemployment rate. But two terms were enough for Archer. He announced in 2000 that he would not seek a third term. "I love this city.... But I also realize that I have no life," he was quoted as saying in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Archer's return to the private sector disappointed many. He was considered a well-respected elder statesman by the members of the U.S. Conference of Mayors. He also served as president of the association. He accepted the chairmanship position at former employer Dickson Wright Law Firm. One week after leaving office, Archer was appointed to Compuware's board. He is the first African American to serve on the board in company history.

Though there was some speculation that he would take a position in federal government, Archer continued to make history. He became the first African American named as president of the American Bar Association. In 2002 he was picked as the new president-elect and will serve for one year as president in 2003.

Awards

Selected: Named one of 100 Most Influential Black Americans, Ebony magazine, 1984; one of 100 Most Powerful U.S. Attorneys, National Law Journal, 1985; distinguished achievement award, Detroit NAACP branch, 1985; voted most respected judge in Michigan, 1990; several honorary degrees.

Further Reading

Periodicals

Detroit Free Press, September 16, 1993, p. A-10; November 3, 1993, p. A-1; November 4, 1993, p. D-1; November 22, 1993, p. B-1; January 3, 1994, p. A-1; January 4, 1994, p. A-1; January 16, 1994, p. H-1; January 20, 1994, p. C-1.
Detroit News, April 1, 2002, p. 06; August 8, 2002, p. 10.
Ebony, February 1994, pp. 92-94.
The Financial Times, February 28, 2000, p. 2.
Knight-Ridder/Tribune Business News, April 18, 2001; June 22, 2001; November 29, 2001; January 8, 2002.
Knight-Ridder/Tribune News Service, January 24, 1996; August 20, 2002.
Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, April 18, 2001, p.04.
Purchasing, August 15, 1996.
The Record, (Bergen County, NJ), August 14, 2002, p. A14.
San Francisco Business Times, February 18, 2000, p. 12.
On-line
http://www.dickinsonwright.com/f_offc.htm
http://www.metrotimes.com/news/columns/18/jl/42.html
http://www.publicsectorconsultants.com/PSR...1998/031398.cfm
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Yep, I would prefer Archer to lying, cheating Cox (and his blind wife)anyday.

(Darn, there I go judging again!)

You really should leave Mrs. Cox out of your statements. I'm glad that you have such a perfect life and perfect marriage and live with a dog and a cat in Pleasantville, but some people do deal with real issues in their lives. Shame on you for bringing your judgements upon someone for choosing to stay with their spouse. I highly doubt you would want someone judging you for decisions you make regarding your family.

LR--We all make judgements about who we like or don't every time we vote. Sorry if you don't like to hear mine.
Cox is a public figure. If he chooses to run as Gov his lifestyle (and that of his wifes) will again be open to scrutiny. While it may be acceptable to you to stay with a habitual cheater, to me it send the wrong message to kids and people in general. If those values are part of your moral backbone(as they are the Cox'), then I wouldn't want you making decisions for my family as Gov or any other post.
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Yep, I would prefer Archer to lying, cheating Cox (and his blind wife)anyday.

(Darn, there I go judging again!)

You really should leave Mrs. Cox out of your statements. I'm glad that you have such a perfect life and perfect marriage and live with a dog and a cat in Pleasantville, but some people do deal with real issues in their lives. Shame on you for bringing your judgements upon someone for choosing to stay with their spouse. I highly doubt you would want someone judging you for decisions you make regarding your family.

LR--We all make judgements about who we like or don't every time we vote. Sorry if you don't like to hear mine.
Cox is a public figure. If he chooses to run as Gov his lifestyle (and that of his wifes) will again be open to scrutiny. While it may be acceptable to you to stay with a habitual cheater, to me it send the wrong message to kids and people in general. If those values are part of your moral backbone(as they are the Cox'), then I wouldn't want you making decisions for my family as Gov or any other post.

Lol. Where do you come off making an accusation that my spouse has cheated on me or that if he/she has I have chose to stay with them?

Do you also think it is a bad example to stay with someone who is a habitual gambler, alcoholic, prescription drug abuser, or verbal abuser? To cheat on one's spouse is a horrible thing to do, but so are a lot of other things that everyday people are involved in. Maybe you don't think people can change but I do--not all of them albeit, but people can change if they wish to. What a spouse chooses to do with her family is their business, even if it is in the public eye. I sure hope your husband has never done anything wrong, or your children never do...would you disown your child if they stayed with a cheating spouse, because it sure sounds like you do not believe in forgiveness or that people can change. Problems in marriage are an everyday occurrence and everybody's life is different.

And just to point out, I've never said I would stay with my spouse if those things happened. I believe that is a decision belonging to the individuals involved.
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Yep, I would prefer Archer to lying, cheating Cox (and his blind wife)anyday.

(Darn, there I go judging again!)

You really should leave Mrs. Cox out of your statements. I'm glad that you have such a perfect life and perfect marriage and live with a dog and a cat in Pleasantville, but some people do deal with real issues in their lives. Shame on you for bringing your judgements upon someone for choosing to stay with their spouse. I highly doubt you would want someone judging you for decisions you make regarding your family.

LR--We all make judgements about who we like or don't every time we vote. Sorry if you don't like to hear mine.
Cox is a public figure. If he chooses to run as Gov his lifestyle (and that of his wifes) will again be open to scrutiny. While it may be acceptable to you to stay with a habitual cheater, to me it send the wrong message to kids and people in general. If those values are part of your moral backbone(as they are the Cox'), then I wouldn't want you making decisions for my family as Gov or any other post.

Lol. Where do you come off making an accusation that my spouse has cheated on me or that if he/she has I have chose to stay with them?


He didn't.
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Has anyone said they are running?

I hear Mitt Romney is looking for something to do.
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Has anyone said they are running?

I hear Mitt Romney is looking for something to do.

We could do a lot worse. ;)
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Lol. Where do you come off making an accusation that my spouse has cheated on me or that if he/she has I have chose to stay with them?

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LR just likes to twist, but since it's so hard to understand I rephrase:

If people find it acceptable for politicians to habitually lie to and cheat on their spouses(like Cox), then they are condoning that behavior. The same can be said of wives(like Laura Cox) who stay with habitual cheaters. Those wives set a bad example not only for their own children, but all the families from whom they garner support.

If the public continues accepting unacceptable behavior, then any one-held moral standard continues to decline.

There, is that clear?
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LR just likes to twist, but since it's so hard to understand I rephrase:

If people find it acceptable for politicians to habitually lie to and cheat on their spouses(like Cox), then they are condoning that behavior. The same can be said of wives(like Laura Cox) who stay with habitual cheaters. Those wives set a bad example not only for their own children, but all the families from whom they garner support.

If the public continues accepting unacceptable behavior, then any one-held moral standard continues to decline.

There, is that clear?

I do not twist things. Not my fault that you don't originally state what you mean.
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Has anyone said they are running?

I hear Mitt Romney is looking for something to do.

Well, he would have to move to MI first off.
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Has anyone said they are running?

I hear Mitt Romney is looking for something to do.

Well, he would have to move to MI first off.

Are you really that obtuse, or do you just like to put everyone on?
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LR just likes to twist, but since it's so hard to understand I rephrase:

If people find it acceptable for politicians to habitually lie to and cheat on their spouses(like Cox), then they are condoning that behavior.  The same can be said of wives(like Laura Cox) who stay with habitual cheaters.  Those wives set a bad example not only for their own children, but all the families from whom they garner support. 

If the public continues accepting unacceptable behavior, then any one-held moral standard continues to decline.

There, is that clear?

I do not twist things. Not my fault that you don't originally state what you mean.

Sigh........
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Has anyone said they are running?

I hear Mitt Romney is looking for something to do.

Well, he would have to move to MI first off.

Are you really that obtuse, or do you just like to put everyone on?

Excuse me?

I've looked into some Michigan anger management classes for you:

http://livonia-mi.addresses.com/s1/Anger-M...051504/151.html
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Good one! (HEY, I'M BEING SARCASTIC!!!! TM - livoniarocks)

You had to google 'obtuse,' didn't you?
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Main Entry: ob·tuse

Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ob·tus·er; ob·tus·est

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat — more at ob-, contusion

Date: 15th century
1 a: not pointed or acute : blunt b (1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle <an obtuse triangle> — see triangle illustration cof a leaf : rounded at the free end

2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

synonyms see dull
— ob·tuse·ly adverb
— ob·tuse·ness noun
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Main Entry: ob·tuse

Function: adjective
Inflected Form(s): ob·tus·er; ob·tus·est

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obtusus blunt, dull, from past participle of obtundere to beat against, blunt, from ob- against + tundere to beat — more at ob-, contusion

Date: 15th century
1 a: not pointed or acute : blunt b (1)of an angle : exceeding 90 degrees but less than 180 degrees (2): having an obtuse angle <an obtuse triangle> — see triangle illustration cof a leaf : rounded at the free end

2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

synonyms see dull
— ob·tuse·ly adverb
— ob·tuse·ness noun

Thanks Reformer! Otis, I think he just proved that you use "big" words in the wrong context. I was completely clear in my statement that Romney would need to move back to MI, and it was neither a stupid or unintellectual comment. It was precise, straight forward and true. Next time you should google the words you use.
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Otis B.
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2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

Uh huh.

U reed reel guhd.

My point was that all of the statements on here that have any context to them fly right over your head. Don't take everything so literally, Mrs. Kirksey. Oh wait, since you're cool with infidelity you're probably his mistress. Is he pulling strings to graduate your kids from junior high?
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Renee Chesney
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Otis B.
Feb 13 2008, 09:41 AM
2 a: lacking sharpness or quickness of sensibility or intellect : insensitive, stupid b: difficult to comprehend : not clear or precise in thought or expression

Uh huh.

U reed reel guhd.

My point was that all of the statements on here that have any context to them fly right over your head. Don't take everything so literally, Mrs. Kirksey. Oh wait, since you're cool with infidelity you're probably his mistress.

You are just sick.
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