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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 14 2008, 11:31 PM Post #61 |
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He takes credit for that, yes, but even if he hadn't brought up the shipping costs, there were several other people that I know of (myself included) who would have made the very same suggestion about getting those costs reduced/eliminated. He just happened to have a microphone available, and was able to take advantage of that opportunity before others were able to. |
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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 14 2008, 11:35 PM Post #62 |
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I'm not sure how you figure that a vote for Greg Oke (or were referring to Mang?) was a vote for the status quo. Neither was an incumbent. Maybe the people voting for McComber were so out of touch with reality that they didn't have a clue that he had dropped out. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 15 2008, 09:19 AM Post #63 |
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Duh!! Maybe because Oke was running on the same ticket as the incumbants, they ran as a slate did they not?? That IS a vote for the status quo. |
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| Purple Haze | Feb 15 2008, 02:21 PM Post #64 |
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duh, I dunno...perhaps the Scheel/Freeman/Oke signs in that election? |
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| Mrs.M | Feb 15 2008, 03:18 PM Post #65 |
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Of course. That's his job - to question and save the district money. |
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| Nikki | Feb 15 2008, 06:08 PM Post #66 |
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His name was on the chalkboard with the status quo. |
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| CoolnCalm | Feb 15 2008, 07:03 PM Post #67 |
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Hmmm could someone refresh my memory.. What was The King's vote on EM? Did he vote YES to approve it? |
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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 15 2008, 10:10 PM Post #68 |
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He sure did. This according to the minutes of the Feb. 12, 2007 meeting: It was moved by Mr. Lessard and supported by Mr. Freeman that the Board of Education of the Livonia Public Schools School District purchase the Everyday Mathematics series for kindergarten through fourth grade classes at a total cost of $406,578. Ayes: Bailey, Freeman, King, Lessard, Markarian, Scheel Nays: None I believe this vote was taken after Whitehead resigned, which is why it is a 6-0 vote. |
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| Vanna White | Feb 15 2008, 10:18 PM Post #69 |
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This is the one time when I ademently disagreed with Mr. King. I don't think he really had all the information he needed to make a good decision... nor did any of the board. Presenting infomation then voting on it a week later is just not good enough...not for a decision of that kind of magnitude. It really doesn't give much time to research and it doesn't give the public much time to give input. I personally had reservations when I heard about it just based on things I had heard, but it was a very busy week for me and I did not have time to dig into it until after the vote was done. It was too late to give useful input...not that it would have changed the outcome, since no one except King really ever votes no on anything the administration presents. |
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| Al Beabak | Feb 16 2008, 10:21 AM Post #70 |
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He sure did. This according to the minutes of the Feb. 12, 2007 meeting: [/QUOTE] Asking a question like that, and then answering it yourself only goes to prove that you are pushing an agenda that is divisive and serves no purpose other than to cause problems. |
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| Deleted User | Feb 16 2008, 11:24 AM Post #71 |
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Oh my god! He did vote yes . What a dick!
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| CoolnCalm | Feb 16 2008, 12:20 PM Post #72 |
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The King seems to have enough time to go through the bills of payment with a fine tooth comb. Are you saying that he is penny wise and pound foolish? |
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| CoolnCalm | Feb 16 2008, 12:21 PM Post #73 |
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Asking a question like that, and then answering it yourself only goes to prove that you are pushing an agenda that is divisive and serves no purpose other than to cause problems. [/QUOTE] Pot. Kettle. Black. |
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| CoolnCalm | Feb 16 2008, 12:23 PM Post #74 |
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LOL jimid. I just took a screen shot of your post! LOLOLOLOL |
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| Vanna White | Feb 16 2008, 12:43 PM Post #75 |
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Nope. I think all the board members deserve to see things further in advance whenever possible, but I still think he was dead wrong about EM. |
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| Mrs.M | Feb 16 2008, 03:03 PM Post #76 |
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Maybe I'm reading or interpreting incorrectly... Was there a vote on whether to approve the new math program for the district? If a certain program is being instituted into a school district, one that is totally different from what has been taught, would a person be foolish to not get the texts that correspond with that NEW program? |
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| LPS Reformer | Feb 16 2008, 03:44 PM Post #77 |
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FROM STEVE KING'S BLOG: Every Day Math, an every day disaster. Superbug in the Classroom A mathematical epidemic. By Michelle Malkin Do you know what math curriculum your child is being taught? Are youworried that your third-grader hasn't learned simple multiplication yet?Have you been befuddled by educational jargon such as "spiraling," which isused to explain why your kid keeps bringing home the same insipid busyworkof cutting, gluing and drawing? And are you alarmed by teachers whoemphasize "self-confidence" over proficiency while their students fallfurther and further behind? Join the club. Across the country, from New York City to Seattle, parents are wising up tomath fads like Everyday Math. Sounds harmless enough, right? It's cleverlymarketed as a "University of Chicago" program. Impressive! Right? But thenyou start to sense something's not adding up when your kid starts secondgrade and comes home with the same kindergarten-level addition andsubtraction problems - for the second year in a row. And then your child keeps telling you that the teacher isn't reallyteaching anything, just handing out useless worksheets - some of which makeno sense to parents with business degrees, medical degrees, and Ph.D.sspecializing in econometric analysis. And then you notice that it's theUniversity of Chicago education department, not the mathematics department,that is behind this nonsense. And then you Google Everyday Math and discover that countless moms and dadsjust like you - and a few brave teachers with their heads screwed onstraight - have had similarly horrifying experiences. Like the Illinois momwho found these "math" problems in the fifth-grade Everyday Math textbook: A. If math were a color, it would be -, because -. B. If it were a food, it would be -, because -. C. If it were weather, it would be -, because -. And then you realize your child has become a victim of "Fuzzy Math," the"New New Math," the dumbed-down, politically correct, euphemism-fillededu-folly corrupting both public and private schools nationwide. And then you feel like the subject of Edvard Munch's The Scream as you takeon the seemingly futile task of waking up other parents and fighting theedu-cracy to restore a rigorous curriculum in your child's classroom. NewYork City teacher Matthew Clavel described his frustration with EverydayMath in a 2003 article for City Journal: The curriculum's failure was undeniable: Not one of my students knew his orher times tables, and few had mastered even the most basic operations;knowledge of multiplication and division was abysmal....what would you do,if you discovered that none of your fourth-graders could correctly tell youthe answer to four times eight? But don't give up and don't give in. While New York City remains wedded toEveryday Math (which became the mandated standard in 2003), the state ofTexas just voted before Thanksgiving to drop the University of Chicagotextbooks for third graders. School-board members lambasted the mathprogram for failing to prepare students for college. It's an importantsalvo in the math wars because Texas is one of the biggest markets forschool textbooks. As Texas goes, so goes the nation. Meanwhile, grassroots groups such as Mathematically Correct(mathematicallycorrect.com) and Where's The Math? (wheresthemath.com) arealerting parents to how their children are being used as educational guineapigs. And teachers and math professionals who haven't drunk the p.c.Kool-Aid are exposing the ruse. Nick Diaz, a Maryland educator, wrote aletter to his local paper: As a former math teacher in Frederick County Public Schools, I have astrong interest in the recent discussion of the problems with the mathcurriculum in our state and county. . . . The proponents of fuzzy mathclaim that the new approach provides a 'deep conceptual understanding.'Those words, however, hide the truth. Students today are not expected tomaster basic addition, subtraction and multiplication. These fundamentalskills are necessary for a truly deep understanding of math, but fuzzy-mathadvocates are masters at using vocabulary that sounds good to parents, butmeans something different to educators. Members of the West Puget Sound Chapter of the Washington Society ofProfessional Engineers also stepped forward in their community: For 35 years, we have been subjected to a failed experiment, 'new math.'Mathematics depends on individual problem-solving ability to arrive at thecorrect answer. Math does not lend itself to 'fuzzy' answers. The solutionis to recognize the failure of the Constructivist Curriculum as it relatesto mathematics and science, eliminate it and return to the hard core basicsusing texts like the Singapore Math. If Fuzzy Math were a color, it would be neon green like those Mr. Yuklabels warning children not to ingest poisonous substances. Do not swallow! |
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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 16 2008, 03:54 PM Post #78 |
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Asking a question like that, and then answering it yourself only goes to prove that you are pushing an agenda that is divisive and serves no purpose other than to cause problems. [/QUOTE] Al, CoolnCalm asked the question, I answered it. I think you owe one of us an apology. |
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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 16 2008, 04:00 PM Post #79 |
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The board often gets info in advance of a presentation or a vote. I wouldn't be surprised if they had the info well before a decision was needed. Also, board members cannot be expected to go through every detail with a fine-toothed comb. They had a committee of respected teachers go over the details and make a recommendation on a math program. Board members cannot be expected to be an expert on every decision that is made, which is the very reason that a committee is put together. They accepted the recommendation of the experts (teachers) in our district. |
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| Queen of Hearts | Feb 16 2008, 04:03 PM Post #80 |
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I am sure that the acceptance of the new program was voted on. Go look for the minutes if you really have a concern about it. It would have taken place previous to the Feb. 12 meeting. I do remember a meeting where the math people made a presentation and had the materials available at the meeting. Not sure which meeting that would have been. |
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