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Board of Education Meeting; Monday, Feb 4th, 2008 7PM
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM (3,856 Views)
Renee Chesney
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Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 05:08 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

A person could ask the very same of some of the supporters of the BOE, as to why they are not taken seriously. It begs to raise the question of "how many of you have children in the district directly impacted by their school being closed, or having to transition 4 times in 3 years, or maybe having to take on bussing for the first time in their lives". How can some of us take you seriously when you defend the actions of the LPS Administration and the BOE without taking on the full impact of the consequences of their actions in your home, family, children, & daily lives.

As for myself, I fail to understand what necessitates your stallworth, and almost fanatical allegiance to them. It does not make sense. It defies wisdom & logic. It borders on being inane.

Funny thing Al - the same could be said for your side on many of things you said in your last post. Do you really think it matters to me if you guys take me seriously or not? I know that it will never happen just based upon the questions you asked in your last post. Should some supporters and opposers not get involved or vote because they don't have little ones so that they can take in the consequences of the Board's actions in our homes, families, children & daily lives? That is ridiculous and by fostering that attitude it could be a reason that you haven't done so well in the past elections. You can't disenfranchise the voters based upon those things. Well you can, but you can see where that got you.
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Little me
Feb 5 2008, 01:33 PM
Can someone please post a video of the meeting from last night?
Particularly when Scheel got nasty with Steve King for questioning bills for payment and when Mr. Spence came forth to the podium.
Thanks

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1907988
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Al Beabak
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 05:18 PM
Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 05:08 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

A person could ask the very same of some of the supporters of the BOE, as to why they are not taken seriously. It begs to raise the question of "how many of you have children in the district directly impacted by their school being closed, or having to transition 4 times in 3 years, or maybe having to take on bussing for the first time in their lives". How can some of us take you seriously when you defend the actions of the LPS Administration and the BOE without taking on the full impact of the consequences of their actions in your home, family, children, & daily lives.

As for myself, I fail to understand what necessitates your stallworth, and almost fanatical allegiance to them. It does not make sense. It defies wisdom & logic. It borders on being inane.

Funny thing Al - the same could be said for your side on many of things you said in your last post. Do you really think it matters to me if you guys take me seriously or not? I know that it will never happen just based upon the questions you asked in your last post. Should some supporters and opposers not get involved or vote because they don't have little ones so that they can take in the consequences of the Board's actions in our homes, families, children & daily lives? That is ridiculous and by fostering that attitude it could be a reason that you haven't done so well in the past elections. You can't disenfranchise the voters based upon those things. Well you can, but you can see where that got you.

I am not trying to disenfranchise anybody, I am merely stating the facts on how much some are impacted by the decisions of the district. I foster no attitudes, nor placate no individuals, I only look for the honest truth and logical decisions that are made based on facts and data. A difference of opinions is just fine with me, but without weighted inputs versus a logical output, opinions remain just that, opinions.
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Renee Chesney
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Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 06:04 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 05:18 PM
Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 05:08 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

A person could ask the very same of some of the supporters of the BOE, as to why they are not taken seriously. It begs to raise the question of "how many of you have children in the district directly impacted by their school being closed, or having to transition 4 times in 3 years, or maybe having to take on bussing for the first time in their lives". How can some of us take you seriously when you defend the actions of the LPS Administration and the BOE without taking on the full impact of the consequences of their actions in your home, family, children, & daily lives.

As for myself, I fail to understand what necessitates your stallworth, and almost fanatical allegiance to them. It does not make sense. It defies wisdom & logic. It borders on being inane.

Funny thing Al - the same could be said for your side on many of things you said in your last post. Do you really think it matters to me if you guys take me seriously or not? I know that it will never happen just based upon the questions you asked in your last post. Should some supporters and opposers not get involved or vote because they don't have little ones so that they can take in the consequences of the Board's actions in our homes, families, children & daily lives? That is ridiculous and by fostering that attitude it could be a reason that you haven't done so well in the past elections. You can't disenfranchise the voters based upon those things. Well you can, but you can see where that got you.

I am not trying to disenfranchise anybody, I am merely stating the facts on how much some are impacted by the decisions of the district. I foster no attitudes, nor placate no individuals, I only look for the honest truth and logical decisions that are made based on facts and data. A difference of opinions is just fine with me, but without weighted inputs versus a logical output, opinions remain just that, opinions.

Like I said a lot of the things you say like "fanatical alliegence" can be said of your side.
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you assume again, sorry
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Renee Chesney
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Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 06:28 PM
you assume again, sorry

Sorry Al but you don't dictate my opinion and my opinion is you can say the same about your side. Wasn't assuming anything.
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 10:19 AM
Mr.Bean
Feb 5 2008, 09:50 AM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 09:37 AM
crazy_cat
Feb 5 2008, 08:35 AM
I think Steve King made an excellent point regarding the PTA buying playground equipment.  It is the school district's job to provide this.

At the beginning of the year we are asked to donate money to the PTA.  Then a field trip comes up, there is no money for buses, not enough parent drivers and the trip is canceled.  How about using the donations we made for this scenario?

I can imagine not many parents at Riley are going to support a fund raiser/donations for a new playscape when their kid is only there for two years.

While SK has no problem voting no on the bills for payment to make a point, why is he voting yes to accept the gift for playground equipment when he has issues with it? He should continue to make his point by voting no instead of yes.

Although I do have to question his comments regarding how PTA's should or should not use their fundraising dollars when he is not a PTA member.

He has to be a PTA member to make a comment? Wow.....I did not know that...

He can comment - freedom of speech being what it is. But it is certainly hypocritical that he comments on how an organization spends its $$$ when he doesn't have a membership or contributes to the organization.

So I have to be a democrat to voice my disapproval of Grandhom?
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Feb 5 2008, 05:50 PM
Little me
Feb 5 2008, 01:33 PM
Can someone please post a video of the meeting from last night?
Particularly when Scheel got nasty with Steve King for questioning bills for payment and when Mr. Spence came forth to the podium.
Thanks

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1907988

It sounds like Freemans afraid of Mr. Spence?? :lol: "please don't approach the table" :lol:
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 12:17 PM
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Feb 5 2008, 11:40 AM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 10:28 AM
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Feb 5 2008, 10:24 AM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 10:19 AM
Mr.Bean
Feb 5 2008, 09:50 AM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 09:37 AM
crazy_cat
Feb 5 2008, 08:35 AM
I think Steve King made an excellent point regarding the PTA buying playground equipment.  It is the school district's job to provide this.

At the beginning of the year we are asked to donate money to the PTA.  Then a field trip comes up, there is no money for buses, not enough parent drivers and the trip is canceled.  How about using the donations we made for this scenario?

I can imagine not many parents at Riley are going to support a fund raiser/donations for a new playscape when their kid is only there for two years.

While SK has no problem voting no on the bills for payment to make a point, why is he voting yes to accept the gift for playground equipment when he has issues with it? He should continue to make his point by voting no instead of yes.

Although I do have to question his comments regarding how PTA's should or should not use their fundraising dollars when he is not a PTA member.

He has to be a PTA member to make a comment? Wow.....I did not know that...

He can comment - freedom of speech being what it is. But it is certainly hypocritical that he comments on how an organization spends its $$$ when he doesn't have a membership or contributes to the organization.

Aren't you twisting what he said just a bit? His comment was directed at the district. The [size=7]district[/size] should be paying for the playground equipment. He was actually standing up for the PTA. ;)

Standing up for an organization he doesn't even belong to or support? Right.

Renee now YOU are the moron. What are you honestly thinking? SK is a BOARD MEMBER and he CAN question the spending and donation solicitation of this organization Because it interoperates with the district, just as he can question the spending of money by ANY of the programs within LPS (CAPA comes to mind) without having to be a 'member'

Listen, I don't condone animal cruelty, but I am also not a member of the PETA organization. Why do I need to belong to the organization to believe that cruely is wrong?
I won't tell them how to use their money - unless they carelessly spend it, and then come crying to me with their hand out for a donation.

Same goes for the Democratic or Republican parties. I'm not a dues paying member of either - can I NOT be critical of their spending???

And guess what - I'm not a member of the Livonia or Westland Chambers of commerce either - but you can bet that I'll be critical of their spending if I see something that doesn't add up.

Your comments on this forum are becoming increasingly ridiculous.

If he has an issue with PTA's buying playground equipment then why did he vote yes to accept the donation? He certainly has no problem saying no to make a point on other things. Balls back in your court moron.

Sounds like your tossing that ball at ya mirror. ;)
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 05:18 PM
Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 05:08 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

A person could ask the very same of some of the supporters of the BOE, as to why they are not taken seriously. It begs to raise the question of "how many of you have children in the district directly impacted by their school being closed, or having to transition 4 times in 3 years, or maybe having to take on bussing for the first time in their lives". How can some of us take you seriously when you defend the actions of the LPS Administration and the BOE without taking on the full impact of the consequences of their actions in your home, family, children, & daily lives.

As for myself, I fail to understand what necessitates your stallworth, and almost fanatical allegiance to them. It does not make sense. It defies wisdom & logic. It borders on being inane.

Funny thing Al - the same could be said for your side on many of things you said in your last post. Do you really think it matters to me if you guys take me seriously or not? I know that it will never happen just based upon the questions you asked in your last post. Should some supporters and opposers not get involved or vote because they don't have little ones so that they can take in the consequences of the Board's actions in our homes, families, children & daily lives? That is ridiculous and by fostering that attitude it could be a reason that you haven't done so well in the past elections. You can't disenfranchise the voters based upon those things. Well you can, but you can see where that got you.

Should we then just wait for the Receiver?
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 06:11 PM
Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 06:04 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 05:18 PM
Al Beabak
Feb 5 2008, 05:08 PM
Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

A person could ask the very same of some of the supporters of the BOE, as to why they are not taken seriously. It begs to raise the question of "how many of you have children in the district directly impacted by their school being closed, or having to transition 4 times in 3 years, or maybe having to take on bussing for the first time in their lives". How can some of us take you seriously when you defend the actions of the LPS Administration and the BOE without taking on the full impact of the consequences of their actions in your home, family, children, & daily lives.

As for myself, I fail to understand what necessitates your stallworth, and almost fanatical allegiance to them. It does not make sense. It defies wisdom & logic. It borders on being inane.

Funny thing Al - the same could be said for your side on many of things you said in your last post. Do you really think it matters to me if you guys take me seriously or not? I know that it will never happen just based upon the questions you asked in your last post. Should some supporters and opposers not get involved or vote because they don't have little ones so that they can take in the consequences of the Board's actions in our homes, families, children & daily lives? That is ridiculous and by fostering that attitude it could be a reason that you haven't done so well in the past elections. You can't disenfranchise the voters based upon those things. Well you can, but you can see where that got you.

I am not trying to disenfranchise anybody, I am merely stating the facts on how much some are impacted by the decisions of the district. I foster no attitudes, nor placate no individuals, I only look for the honest truth and logical decisions that are made based on facts and data. A difference of opinions is just fine with me, but without weighted inputs versus a logical output, opinions remain just that, opinions.

Like I said a lot of the things you say like "fanatical alliegence" can be said of your side.

You can also say the world is flat.

Doesn't make it any less wrong. ;)
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
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Feb 5 2008, 06:57 PM
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Feb 5 2008, 05:50 PM
Little me
Feb 5 2008, 01:33 PM
Can someone please post a video of the meeting from last night?
Particularly when Scheel got nasty with Steve King for questioning bills for payment and when Mr. Spence came forth to the podium.
Thanks

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1907988

It sounds like Freemans afraid of Mr. Spence?? :lol: "please don't approach the table" :lol:


Maybe the "visionary" needs a new perscription? ;)
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Feb 5 2008, 06:57 PM
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Feb 5 2008, 05:50 PM
Little me
Feb 5 2008, 01:33 PM
Can someone please post a video of the meeting from last night?
Particularly when Scheel got nasty with Steve King for questioning bills for payment and when Mr. Spence came forth to the podium.
Thanks

http://video.yahoo.com/video/play?vid=1907988

It sounds like Freemans afraid of Mr. Spence?? :lol: "please don't approach the table" :lol:


Maybe the "visionary" needs a new perscription? ;)

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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 04:52 PM
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Feb 5 2008, 04:14 PM
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Renee Chesney
Feb 5 2008, 09:04 PM
yrraH NS
Feb 5 2008, 02:51 PM
Well, with your shack right down the road from his house, I'm sure that you have become familiar with him as a neighbor.

I must ask... are you stalking him?

no more so than you to Lynda Scheel, Cyndi Markarian, Rob Freeman, Dan Lessard, Greg Oke and Tom Bailey.

Nahhhhh...

Got tired of following robby to therapy and danny to KFC

and Steve running along side of Danny begging for free leftovers.

Leftovers? Awww, You jealous??

Pfffffff You honestly haven't seen Danny's waistline?

But seriously, I myself could give a crud what these people do in their personal life - I don't care.
When they enter the boardroom or are representing the district, they are fair game for all criticizm.

So... you go ahead and start a thread about SK. Try limiting it to his BOE experience instead of his personal life. I'll bet your "5 pages" will whittle down to less than 1 page at best, unless your going to explain 'begging for leftovers' part too.

Damnit why dont I get your rules? You can rip on any board member whether it is their waistline or burping or anything else personal, but the minute someone talks about your wolf in sheeps clothes you get all bent out of shape. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?

I actually think that your biggest fear is that people do take the people on here seriously, hence your enormous amount of posts contradicting whatever you hear on here. It is easy to see that you are getting flustered. Maybe you might want to take a break from the site for a little bit. I have done that in the past and it has helped me to put things in perspective.
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