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Board of Education Meeting; Monday, Feb 4th, 2008 7PM
Topic Started: Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM (3,857 Views)
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Livonia Public Schools School District

Regular Meeting
Monday, February 4, 2008
7:00 PM
Board Room, 15125 Farmington Road, Livonia


I. ROLL CALL: Tom Bailey, Robert Freeman, Steve King, Daniel Lessard, Cynthia Markarian, Gregory Oke, Lynda Scheel

II. COMMUNICATIONS
A. AED Donation to Frost Middle School
AED Donation to Frost Middle School Action Sheet
B. Pfizer Glass Donation
Pfizer Glass Donation Action Sheet
C. Gift--Buchanan PTA
Gift--Buchanan PTA Action Sheet
D. Principals' Week Resolution
Principals' Week Resolution Action Sheet
Principals' Week Resolution Attachment
E. Written Communications
F. Audience Communications (Limited to fifteen (15) minutes, with remainder following Personnel Matters.)
G. Response to Prior Audience Communications

III. CONSENT AGENDA--Items marked with an "*" will be considered in one motion. These routine items have been individually reviewed by Board committees and were unanimously recommended for placing on this consent agenda. Any member of the Board may remove items from the consent agenda prior to voting.
Consent Agenda Action Sheet

IV. DISPOSITION OF MINUTES
A. *Minutes of the Regular Meeting of January 14, 2008
Minutes of the Regular Meeting of January 14, 200
B. *Minutes of the Special Meeting of January 21, 2008
Minutes of the Special Meeting of January 21, 200
C. *Minutes of the Closed Session of January 21, 2008

V. INSTRUCTION MATTERS
A. Presentation--Measuring Up
Presentation--Measuring Up Attachment
B. Michigan School Readiness Program (MSRP) State Aid Participating Resolution
MSRP Resolution Action Sheet
MSRP Resolution Attachment

VI. BUSINESS MATTERS
A. *Bills for Payment--February 5, 2008
Bills for Payment--February 5, 2008 Action Sheet
Bills for Payment--February 5, 2008 Attachment
B. Approval of Bid Results for Cell Phone Service
Approval of Bid Results for Cell Phone Service Ac
Approval of Bid Results for Cell Phone Service At
C. Approval of Bid Results for Telephone Service
Approval of Bid Results for Telephone Service Act

VII. PERSONNEL MATTERS
A. Teachers for Tenure
Teachers for Tenure Action Sheet
B. Retirements
Retirements Action Sheet
Retirements Attachment
C. Leaves of Absence
Leaves of Absence Action Sheet
D. Resignations
Resignations Action Sheet
E. Ratification of One-Year Contract Extension with the LEA
Ratification of One-Year Contract Extension with
Ratification of One-Year Contract Extension with

VIII. REPORTS FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT

IX. HEARING FROM BOARD MEMBERS

X. ADJOURNMENT


What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells
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mmmmkay?
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IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 11:30 AM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Well lets just see if they file suit with all of the other unions too. <_<



mmmmkay?
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CoolnCalm
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IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 11:30 AM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Negotiations with any union contract ALWAYS start before the contract expires.

Why do you think this is a bad thing??? Is there something in it? BTW, your link is invalid.
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Al Beabak
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You have to read the other attachment on boardbook under this agenda item and wonder just what the "terms of a collective bargaining agreement" are.
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Don't expect this to happen at the next meeting. The union is suppose to get 3 working days to review the proposal. Today was suppose to be the third.
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Queen of Hearts
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IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.
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Queen of Hearts
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Feb 1 2008, 05:25 PM
Don't expect this to happen at the next meeting. The union is suppose to get 3 working days to review the proposal. Today was suppose to be the third.

And just how do you know whether the teachers have had "3 working days" to review the proposal?

The board cannot approve a contract until after the teachers have ratified it, so if it is on the agenda, there must have been the required amount of time for these things to have happened.
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Micki
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Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

They can do those things without ratification. It is not optimal by any means. It is a period of uncertainty that makes people nervous when ratification doesn't take place. Why hold up the process. My concern is that they only have a year contract. The economy isn't getting any better. 1 year is not very encouraging for the teachers, I would presume.
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Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:44 PM
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Feb 1 2008, 05:25 PM
Don't expect this to happen at the next meeting.  The union is suppose to get 3 working days to review the proposal.  Today was suppose to be the third.

And just how do you know whether the teachers have had "3 working days" to review the proposal?

The board cannot approve a contract until after the teachers have ratified it, so if it is on the agenda, there must have been the required amount of time for these things to have happened.

Sorry, your information is wrong. Today is not the third day.
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Micki
Feb 1 2008, 06:27 PM
Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

They can do those things without ratification. It is not optimal by any means. It is a period of uncertainty that makes people nervous when ratification doesn't take place. Why hold up the process. My concern is that they only have a year contract. The economy isn't getting any better. 1 year is not very encouraging for the teachers, I would presume.

Micki, the contract has to be approved by the teacher's union BEFORE it is presented to the board and then signed. That is how it works.
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Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 07:37 PM
Micki
Feb 1 2008, 06:27 PM
Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

They can do those things without ratification. It is not optimal by any means. It is a period of uncertainty that makes people nervous when ratification doesn't take place. Why hold up the process. My concern is that they only have a year contract. The economy isn't getting any better. 1 year is not very encouraging for the teachers, I would presume.

Micki, the contract has to be approved by the teacher's union BEFORE it is presented to the board and then signed. That is how it works.

I don't know if what you said is true or not, but I do know that the outcome of the election will not be known by Monday night.
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What I said is true, and the outcome WILL be known by the time it comes before the board for approval.
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Melanie Ricketts
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Teachers were suppose to have 3 days in order to vote. Today would have been the second day. If it isn't approved at the board meeting on Monday night, it will be because teachers only had two days instead of three to vote.
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Melanie Ricketts
Feb 1 2008, 10:58 PM
Teachers were suppose to have 3 days in order to vote. Today would have been the second day. If it isn't approved at the board meeting on Monday night, it will be because teachers only had two days instead of three to vote.

I would have to agree with that, Melanie. We'll have to watch the board meeting on Monday night to see whether the snow day will have changed the timing. In any case, the teachers will have to ratify before the board approves.
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Micki
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Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 07:37 PM
Micki
Feb 1 2008, 06:27 PM
Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

They can do those things without ratification. It is not optimal by any means. It is a period of uncertainty that makes people nervous when ratification doesn't take place. Why hold up the process. My concern is that they only have a year contract. The economy isn't getting any better. 1 year is not very encouraging for the teachers, I would presume.

Micki, the contract has to be approved by the teacher's union BEFORE it is presented to the board and then signed. That is how it works.

I am aware of that. I was saying that you can set a date for school to start and agree upon it between the union and the admin without it being ratified. A one year contract is a scary thought in my opinion. Things aren't going to be better in one year, probably worse.
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Micki
Feb 1 2008, 10:26 PM
Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 07:37 PM
Micki
Feb 1 2008, 06:27 PM
Queen of Hearts
Feb 1 2008, 04:41 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Feb 1 2008, 12:30 PM
What's up with this?

LEA 1 Year Contract Extension

Why are they ratifying a 1 year contract extension at this time? Dont they normally do this during regular contract negotiations time ( which is never now )? Why just before an election? Hmmmmm?????

Something smells

Since when is the end of January "just before an election"? In fact, if if I am not mistaken, there is a school board election every year, so do you think they need to wait until May to bargain?

If you didn't jump to such illogical conclusions, you might just realize that this contract needs to be bargained in order for the first day of school for 08-09 to be set, as well as all of the holiday breaks and half-days. I'm sure if they had waited to bargain, and these dates weren't set, you would think there was a conspiracy behind that too.

Damned if they do, and damned if they don't.

They can do those things without ratification. It is not optimal by any means. It is a period of uncertainty that makes people nervous when ratification doesn't take place. Why hold up the process. My concern is that they only have a year contract. The economy isn't getting any better. 1 year is not very encouraging for the teachers, I would presume.

Micki, the contract has to be approved by the teacher's union BEFORE it is presented to the board and then signed. That is how it works.

I am aware of that. I was saying that you can set a date for school to start and agree upon it between the union and the admin without it being ratified. A one year contract is a scary thought in my opinion. Things aren't going to be better in one year, probably worse.

No truer words ever spoken.
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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Did anyone notice this retirement?

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Micki
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Who is this?
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Micki
Feb 3 2008, 07:32 PM
Who is this?

Carolyn Norris-Deyell, president of the LEA.
“Child Abuse” means different things to different people....
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I was very disappointed to see the reaction of Ms. Scheel & Mr. Feeman regarding the presentation and offer of public documents to one board member who had to FOIA them to obtain a copy. It was apparent that certain board members did not want any other board members to have a copy of these legal proceedings pending against the district.

It is incomprehensible to try to understand why any board member should not have their own copy. It is also incomprehensible as to and why the board should not move forward to try to take the initiative to understand what this may cost the district, and how to resolve this issue well before it becomes something much larger than they can hope to manage in the manner in which they are currently operating.

Our elected representation and custodianship of our children's schools is failing to take the initiative when given the opportunity. They alone have the power and authority to make the difference. They are the absolute last word when it comes to who is responsible. They alone will bear the burden of proving they have fulfilled their responsibility to the public. The time is now to bear that burden of proof.
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