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Committee of the Whole; SPECIAL Meeting - Jan 21, 2008
Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 12:59 AM (4,520 Views)
Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 10:28 PM
Don't worry RC. Not stalking you, we have mutual friends. Well, they're not really your friends, but they do have live near you. Sorry bout their luck!!

Whatever you need to tell yourself STALKER
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Calm down SHACK DWELLER!!!
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 10:31 PM
Calm down SHACK DWELLER!!!

Okay STALKER
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yrraH NS
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Relax Renee...

Maybe Jacko can revitalize your shanty while he's revitalizing NE Livonia
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 10:46 PM
Relax Renee...

Maybe Jacko can revitalize your shanty while he's revitalizing NE Livonia

I knew there would be a payback for working on Jack's campaign. That would be wonderful at your expense.
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If I were a Livonia Resident.
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 10:53 PM
If I were a Livonia Resident.

Even though you will deny it, I would bet you are. YAWN. Had my fun. Going to bed. Have a great evening everyone (you too STALKER).
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Some relevant court decisions:

Ridenour v Dearborn Board of Education, 111 Mich App 798 (1981)
The evaluation of the performance of school administrators is not an action that is exempt from the requirements of the Open Meetings Act.

Detroit News v Detroit, 185 Mich App 296 (1990), lv den
Burden of establishing that a meeting of a public body is exempt from the Open Meetings Act is on the public body.

Relevant Attorney General Opinions:

A public body may not meet in closed session to consider an evaluation of its officers and employees. Attorney General Opinion No. 5608, p. 496, December 17, 1979.

A board of education of a school district may not conduct the public business of evaluation of the performance of the superintendent at private meetings of two or more committees of the board, each composed of less than a quorum of the
members of the board and including the president of the board to provide continuity in the evaluation deliberations, from which the members of the public are excluded. Attorney General Opinion No. 6091, p. 711, August 18, 1982.
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livoniarocks
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Jan 21 2008, 09:35 PM
livoniarocks
Jan 21 2008, 01:21 PM
I think everyone should be 100% sure that this is in violation of the Open Meetings Act prior to making accusations.


How could you be 100% sure of what goes on in a closed meeting, without being there?

Exactly, so you also shouldn't be making accusations that they are automatically doing something illegal.
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livoniarocks
Jan 22 2008, 08:41 AM
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Jan 21 2008, 09:35 PM
livoniarocks
Jan 21 2008, 01:21 PM
I think everyone should be 100% sure that this is in violation of the Open Meetings Act prior to making accusations.


How could you be 100% sure of what goes on in a closed meeting, without being there?

Exactly, so you also shouldn't be making accusations that they are automatically doing something illegal.

When they have a history of the action it is not an accusation, it is an assumption of continuous practice.



mmmmkay?
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RU Kidding Me?
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The recent exchanges between RC and MCP certainly show how clueless RC really is. She knows exactly where Steve King lives, how long the dumpster has been in front of his home, how long he has been working on his home, and his employment status. MCP knows where RC lives, so RC claims this makes MCP a stalker. Following this logic, RC is stalking Steve King. Despite whatever excuse/reasoning RC throws out there, she can't have it both ways.

I have never seen RC's home, but from the sounds of it RC should not be throwing stones about not keeping up a house. Brightmoor anyone? When King is done with his home, and the dumpster is moved, the neighbors will be looking at a beautiful home. When RC repairs her window what will her neighbors be looking at? A shack with a new window?

RC, no need to respond directly to me. I have better things to do than go back and forth with you.
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Melanie writes:

"I do wish everyone here would be forced to register and post under their own names. Then this kind of thing would not happen. "

"There are any number of people on here who have more than one screen name."

Melanie, Melanie, Melanie, you post under more than one screen name :ph43r: :lol:




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Renee Chesney
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Vanna White
Jan 21 2008, 11:04 PM
Some relevant court decisions:

Ridenour v Dearborn Board of Education, 111 Mich App 798 (1981)
The evaluation of the performance of school administrators is not an action that is exempt from the requirements of the Open Meetings Act.

Detroit News v Detroit, 185 Mich App 296 (1990), lv den
Burden of establishing that a meeting of a public body is exempt from the Open Meetings Act is on the public body.

Relevant Attorney General Opinions:

A public body may not meet in closed session to consider an evaluation of its officers and employees. Attorney General Opinion No. 5608, p. 496, December 17, 1979.

A board of education of a school district may not conduct the public business of evaluation of the performance of the superintendent at private meetings of two or more committees of the board, each composed of less than a quorum of the
members of the board and including the president of the board to provide continuity in the evaluation deliberations, from which the members of the public are excluded. Attorney General Opinion No. 6091, p. 711, August 18, 1982.

MCLA 15.268 states that the employee may request a closed hearing for the consideration of a periodic personnel evaluation.

A public body may meet in a closed session only for the following purposes:

(a) To consider the dismissal, suspension, or disciplining of, or to hear complaints or charges brought against, or to consider a periodic personnel evaluation of, a public officer, employee, staff member, or individual agent, if the named person requests a closed hearing. A person requesting a closed hearing may rescind the request at any time, in which case the matter at issue shall be considered after the rescission only in open sessions.

The final evaluation is available to all while the process can be held in closed session.

As to RU Kidding. Steve-o lives in my neighborhood. I drive by his house just about everyday on my way to work after dropping my daughter off at the bus stop. One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.
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Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 10:10 AM
One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.

Thank Heavens for That! ;)
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Jan 22 2008, 10:17 AM
Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 10:10 AM
One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.

Thank Heavens for That! ;)



I'll second that one!!!! :lol:
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 22 2008, 10:52 AM
yrraH NS
Jan 22 2008, 10:17 AM
Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 10:10 AM
One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.

Thank Heavens for That! ;)



I'll second that one!!!! :lol:

Right back at you both. One Steve King on the board is enough.
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Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 11:01 AM
Mr.Bean
Jan 22 2008, 10:52 AM
yrraH NS
Jan 22 2008, 10:17 AM
Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 10:10 AM
One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.

Thank Heavens for That! ;)



I'll second that one!!!! :lol:

Right back at you both. One Steve King on the board is enough.

Yes, there is only 1 Steve King

But there are 6 head bobbing LIEpa lovers who all vote the same - cluelessly.



mmmmkay?
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livoniarocks
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mmmmkay?
Jan 22 2008, 09:00 AM
livoniarocks
Jan 22 2008, 08:41 AM
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Jan 21 2008, 09:35 PM
livoniarocks
Jan 21 2008, 01:21 PM
I think everyone should be 100% sure that this is in violation of the Open Meetings Act prior to making accusations.


How could you be 100% sure of what goes on in a closed meeting, without being there?

Exactly, so you also shouldn't be making accusations that they are automatically doing something illegal.

When they have a history of the action it is not an accusation, it is an assumption of continuous practice.



mmmmkay?

Didn't your mother ever teach you what assuming makes?
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livoniarocks
Jan 22 2008, 11:11 AM
Didn't your mother ever teach you what assuming makes?

A beat up looking house with a broken window?
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Renee Chesney
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mmmmkay?
Jan 22 2008, 11:03 AM
Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 11:01 AM
Mr.Bean
Jan 22 2008, 10:52 AM
yrraH NS
Jan 22 2008, 10:17 AM
Renee Chesney
Jan 22 2008, 10:10 AM
One of the many differences between him and I is that he is an elected official and I am not.

Thank Heavens for That! ;)



I'll second that one!!!! :lol:

Right back at you both. One Steve King on the board is enough.

Yes, there is only 1 Steve King

But there are 6 head bobbing LIEpa lovers who all vote the same - cluelessly.



mmmmkay?

It is the people that live in the same community as you that keep voting them in. Maybe you ought to consider moving.
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