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Committee of the Whole; SPECIAL Meeting - Jan 21, 2008
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Topic Started: Jan 21 2008, 12:59 AM (4,521 Views)
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LPS Reformer
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Jan 21 2008, 10:36 PM
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The schools exist to educate, not employ.
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- livoniarocks
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- Vanna White
- Jan 21 2008, 01:51 PM
Closed meetings may be called without a two-thirds vote for the following reasons: (1) considering the dismissal, suspension or disciplining of, or to hear complaints or charges brought against a public officer, employee, staff member or individual when the person requests a closed hearing; (2) considering the dismissal, suspension or disciplining of a student of a public school when the student or guardian requests a closed hearing; (3) strategy and negotiation sessions necessary in reaching a collective bargaining agreement when either party requests a closed hearing; and (4) partisan caucuses of the State Legislature. (5) for a compliance conference the department of commerce conducts under MCL §333.16231, concerning an investigation of certain licensed medical professionals. (6) to conduct searches for a university president, until the board has narrowed the search to 5 candidates. Other reasons a public body may hold a closed meeting are: (1) to consider the purchase or lease of real property; (2) to consult with its attorney about trial or settlement strategy in pending litigation, but only when an open meeting would have detrimental financial effect on the public body’s position; (3) to review the contents of an application for employment or appointment to a public office when the candidate requests the application to remain confidential. However, all interviews by a public body for employment or appointment to a public office have to be conducted in an open meeting; and (4) to consider material exempt from discussion or disclosure by state or federal statute. Minutes of
Where do you see that it is legal to hold this meeting in a closed session? Certainly if there will be talk about labor negotiations, that can be done in closed meeting, but I do not see anything that makes me thing that the superintendant's goals and objectives can be discussed in a close meeting. I would think that is public information.
I think it depends on what they are discussing. If it is something negative, it falls under 1. Negotiations definitely fall under #3. Possibly #2 under the second part, or #4.
Do you really think any of those apply to the superintendent's goals and objectives?
I think that before the accusations start flying, we need to make sure.
How would you propose to do that?
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“Child Abuse” means different things to different people.... ----Randy Liepa 8/9/12
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LPS Reformer
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Jan 21 2008, 10:38 PM
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- Al Beabak
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Well, it is clear that Mrs. Scheel was informed about the concerns expressed here on this forum regarding whether discussing the Superintendent's goals and objectives is appropriate for a closed session. She made a point to state that this is part of the Superintendent's evaluation process. It is certainly appropriate that Dr. Liepa be given goals and objectives up front and that his performance be judged in part on how well he was able to meet them. It would also be appropriate to discuss how well he was able to meet these goals and objectives in a closed session. But unless his performance is being discussed tonight, I feel strongly that these goals and objectives should be discussed in public. I believe that the spirit of the OMA is likely about to be broken right now in the next few minutes. How unfortunate.
It is indeed a questionable skirting of the OMA law, and SOP for the BOE. How close can you cut it without being in violation seems to be the only concern they have, not doing what is right. Too bad - credibility is lost when operating in this manner
How can you lose what you do not have?
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Sourapples
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Jan 21 2008, 10:39 PM
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I think everyone should be 100% sure that this is in violation of the Open Meetings Act prior to making accusations.
Who could you be 100% sure of what goes on in a closed meeting, without being there?
How could anyone be sure the documentation you get via a FOIA is the correct information also?
It all means that you have to rely on the integrity of those who work for the district
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LPS Reformer
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Jan 21 2008, 10:40 PM
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I would rather question the reason for the closed meeting so that they might avoid moving forward with what may be illegal. I cannot imagine the BOE would want another accusation of an OMA violation. Hopefully someone will read this thread and think about it.
That is what I'm saying..call the BOE and ask what section it falls under.

[size=7]Liepa: Can't you people TRUST me to do what's right when no one can see?[/size]
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Jan 21 2008, 10:44 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
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Jan 21 2008, 10:44 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 10:59 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
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yrraH NS
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Jan 21 2008, 11:01 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
In your opinion. :ph43r:
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 11:06 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
In your opinion. :ph43r:
Yep it is and it is the most important one to me.
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Jan 21 2008, 11:08 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
In your opinion. :ph43r:
Yep it is and it is the most important one to me.
A bit self centered there aren't ya Amy. Must come from daddy.
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Melanie Ricketts
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Jan 21 2008, 11:15 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
In your opinion. :ph43r:
Yep it is and it is the most important one to me.
A bit self centered there aren't ya Amy. Must come from daddy.
Two things here. First it is my understanding that they don't get paid per meeting, it's per night. So Mr. Lessard did not sneak out and get paid for something he did not do. Second who is Amy and who the heck is her daddy?
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 11:18 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
In your opinion. :ph43r:
Yep it is and it is the most important one to me.
A bit self centered there aren't ya Amy. Must come from daddy.
Two things here. First it is my understanding that they don't get paid per meeting, it's per night. So Mr. Lessard did not sneak out and get paid for something he did not do. Second who is Amy and who the heck is her daddy?
Jeez Melanie I thought you were my friend - Amy Kirksey you know big daddy is Top Dog of the city. Don't play with dog you might get bit.
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Jan 21 2008, 11:20 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones RC.
I don't really like looking at beat up sided houses either, but try not to make judgements about sheeple based on the little or big shacks they live in.
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 11:22 PM
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By the way, here is an interesting aside. Good ol Mr. Lessard stayed in the closed meeting, just long enough for the roll to be taken. 5 minutes later, he was in his car, leaving the parking lot. Anyone want to lay odds he still gets his $50 for the second meeting?
If you are there for roll call you get your cash. That 50 bucks becomes real important to a man who leaves his bedridden wife at home every day and night so he can schmooze with the union employees in the warehouse during the day and dine with ISD and MASB people at night on the public dime.
He makes quite the pair with Steve-O who looks for every free hand out he can get. I do find it interesting that the man doesn't have nor has he had for quite some time a full time job and still can't finish a house he started building two years ago. Love looking at a dumpster sitting in his front yard for two years. If that doesn't speak volumes about the man I don't know what does. Could care less about what the neighbors think as long as it works for him.
Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones RC. I don't really like looking at beat up sided houses either, but try not to make judgements about sheeple based on the little or big shacks they live in.
Raised a hockey player. A few broken pieces of siding and broken window. Worth the memories. Nice to know you know where I live. Stalker.
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Jan 21 2008, 11:22 PM
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I do know, however, I happen to know that YOU Renee are NOT Amy. That's why I was confused. I do wish everyone here would be forced to register and post under their own names. Then this kind of thing would not happen.
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Jan 21 2008, 11:24 PM
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Geez Melanie, how would you keep track of yourself????
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Jan 21 2008, 11:25 PM
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Don't play with dog you might get bit.
Naaaahhhhh...
I just like to kick them little ankle biters to the side. Only a nuisance if anything at all.
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Renee Chesney
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Jan 21 2008, 11:26 PM
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Geez Melanie, how would you keep track of yourself????
STALKER
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Jan 21 2008, 11:28 PM
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Don't worry RC. Not stalking you, we have mutual friends. Well, they're not really your friends, but they do have live near you. Sorry bout their luck!!
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Melanie Ricketts
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Jan 21 2008, 11:29 PM
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Geez Melanie, how would you keep track of yourself????
MCP, In case you hadn't noticed I am trying not to respond to you since all you want to do is engage in picking apart me and anything that I have to say. So, save yourself some time and don't bother addressing me. This will be the last time I respond to you. There are any number of people on here who have more than one screen name.
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