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You Tube Video on Livonia Mayor's race; The facts on the Kirksey campaign
Topic Started: Oct 30 2007, 08:23 AM (6,068 Views)
livoniarocks
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Nov 1 2007, 06:40 PM
BoaterDan
Nov 1 2007, 03:49 PM
Ad hominem attacks are a sign of a person lacking in either intelligence, integrity, or supporting information.

Well said BD.

I would also like to add the statement of "Whatever you do, don't insult my intelligence as a voter, it will cost you at the polls!"

well said, I will agree with that.
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livoniarocks
Nov 1 2007, 07:28 PM
I don't like to answer a question with a question, but is there any evidence that she doesn't support tax increases? In all seriousness.

How in the world would you prove something like that? Get video of her saying, "No new taxes" like the elder Bush, who then turned around and brought us new taxes?

Both candidates were asked a question about this at one of the forums. I think it was the Chamber one, but I could be wrong. Maureen Brosnan said she does not anticipate any need to go to the voters with such a proposal for a tax increase. Her opponent said something about how he would consider it if there was something that had broad support (like the rec center.)
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Livoniarocks asks, "but is there any evidence that she doesn't support tax increases? In all seriousness.

My question would be, "Is there any evidence that she DOES support tax increases?

Sounds like someone has been reading too much junk mail.
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This should not be a surprise to anyone. Jack Kirksey brings the issue of taxes into every campaign. He knows that is the one thing that people vote against, especially older ones. Don't you all remember the recall? How in the world would a recall raise, or have anything to do with your taxes? Yet every mailer sent out insinuated that a recall would raise your taxes :blink: . I have them all, and if I ever get my scanner fixed, I will post them.
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Nov 1 2007, 07:47 PM
Livoniarocks asks, "but is there any evidence that she doesn't support tax increases? In all seriousness.

My question would be, "Is there any evidence that she DOES support tax increases?

Sounds like someone has been reading too much junk mail.

Read the whole thread, that was the question. And I stated that I hated answering a question with a question.

BoaterDan and I were doing just fine trying to get some questions answered.
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Somewhere along the line in this thread the question was raised about the validity of the video with Jack Kirksey on the issue of taxes. To validate that entire video of him this might be of interest:

the female was journalist Amy Bailey. the site to the Off the Record interview is here for you to confirm legitimacy.

http://wkar.org/offtherecord/program.php?num=2004-21
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Did you or did you not ask that question? You weren't quoting anyone were you? It appeared you asked that question. If I miised a post/point I apologize.
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livoniarocks
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Nov 1 2007, 08:36 PM
Somewhere along the line in this thread the question was raised about the validity of the video with Jack Kirksey on the issue of taxes. To validate that entire video of him this might be of interest:

the female was journalist Amy Bailey. the site to the Off the Record interview is here for you to confirm legitimacy.

http://wkar.org/offtherecord/program.php?num=2004-21

Thank you, that's all I was looking for.
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livoniarocks
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Nov 1 2007, 08:39 PM
Did you or did you not ask that question?

BoaterDan asked if there was evidence she supports taxes, I asked is there evidence that she doesn't
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livoniarocks
Nov 1 2007, 08:41 PM
RU Kidding Me?
Nov 1 2007, 08:39 PM
Did you or did you not ask that question?

BoaterDan asked if there was evidence she supports taxes, I asked is there evidence that she doesn't

Except, that you can't prove a negative.
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I am so flippin' sick of hearing about taxes. No one running for office can make the claim that he/she will not raise taxes. Unless they use a crystal ball, there is no way to see what the future will bring. Most taxes are very justified and I have no problem paying my share for police and fire protection, EMS, libraries, parks, roads, schools, the arts, the zoo and so forth. The question shouldn't be "will you raise taxes?" it should be "how will you spend the money we have?"

Another question to ask would be "are you telling me the truth about this tax or will it lead to more money flying out of my pocket sometime in the future?" Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues. Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues. What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?

Taxes are not the problem. It is how the money is spent.
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues. Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues. What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?

Taxes are not the problem. It is how the money is spent.

WOW! they sold that based on the citizens having no membership dues?

That is just sick. I can't believe Krooksey would be that deceptive.
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Nov 2 2007, 06:42 AM
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues.  Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues.  What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?

Taxes are not the problem.  It is how the money is spent.

WOW! they sold that based on the citizens having no membership dues?

That is just sick. I can't believe Krooksey would be that deceptive.

What's even better is that Kirksey brings up the rec center EVERY chance that he gets. (The LWV forum, he talked about the rec center at least a dozen times.)

Wonder why he doesn't remind all of the Livonia citizens that the millage was supposed to provide a rec center membership for all citizens??!?!? An now we are supposed to BUY a membership? He wants everyone to pay TWICE for his great 'project'?!?!

Look at how the money is spent, and if the follow through was what the public intended.
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues.  Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues.  What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?

Taxes are not the problem.  It is how the money is spent.

WOW! they sold that based on the citizens having no membership dues?

That is just sick. I can't believe Krooksey would be that deceptive.

What's even better is that Kirksey brings up the rec center EVERY chance that he gets. (The LWV forum, he talked about the rec center at least a dozen times.)

Wonder why he doesn't remind all of the Livonia citizens that the millage was supposed to provide a rec center membership for all citizens??!?!? An now we are supposed to BUY a membership? He wants everyone to pay TWICE for his great 'project'?!?!

Look at how the money is spent, and if the follow through was what the public intended.

The millage was supposed to provide a membership for all Livonia residents? I didn't know that! Can you show me where to find that info?
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Nov 2 2007, 07:42 AM
Wonder why he doesn't remind all of the Livonia citizens that the millage was supposed to provide a rec center membership for all citizens??!?!? An now we are supposed to BUY a membership? He wants everyone to pay TWICE for his great 'project'?!?!

Look at how the money is spent, and if the follow through was what the public intended.

The millage was supposed to provide a membership for all Livonia residents? I didn't know that! Can you show me where to find that info? [/QUOTE]
I'd like to see that too. And I thought $400 was an excellent value for an entire family.
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues. Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues. What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?


Nice one Jack......
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livoniarocks
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Nov 2 2007, 07:59 AM
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues.  Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues.  What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?


Nice one Jack......

what?
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Nov 1 2007, 07:28 PM

I believe that he did go out and support the milleage for the Rec Ctr.  And that turned out to be a fabulous facility for the city!  It's packed all of the time, has great jobs for teens and young adults.  Perfect place to take your kids when its nasty outside.  The Rec Ctr had to be funded by a milleage, there isn't any other way around it.  If Livonia did't want they wouldn't have voted for it and they definitely wouldn't be utilizing it the way the are.

On the video, I'm not trying to split hairs, I just wasn't getting if it was one continuous interview or they were putting in things here and there. Does that make sense?  I'm not saying that's what it is, just saying that's how I saw it.

I don't like to answer a question with a question, but is there any evidence that she doesn't support tax increases?  In all seriousness.

I really do want to answer your questions, so please keep asking and I will.  Not saying that we are going to agree at the end of the day, but we can at least have a decent discussion about it, and may even gain a little bit of knowledge :-)

Well, every democrat that want to raise taxes and spend more money believes it is for a good cause, and many voters want them. I'm not arguing against the rec center - it is a fabulous facility and a city like Livonia would look silly without one these days. But the bottom line is he took credit for being behind several tax (using the term somewhat loosely) increases and corresponding spending increases, and now says we shouldn't vote for his opponent because of her potential to want to tax and spend, based on just her relationship with people in a party that has had that stereotype. Pretty shaky ground.

The splitting hairs comment wasn't about the editing that may have been used, but about the alleged difference between saying you supported new taxes that people voted for and your opponent potentially supporting new taxes. It's the exact same thing the way I see it.

There's probably no evidence she doesn't believe an alien invasion is coming next year, but that hardly means she does. Seriously, your question is ridiculous. It is only valid if we start with the premise that we know she does until proven otherwise. I really have no idea, so I'm not going to entertain that line of thought. My beef is with the shallowness of making a claim on her potential to have a trait.

I don't think there's really any more questions per se for you to answer. You see a distinction in the taxes he supported and those you're afraid of her supporting, and I don't.
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Nov 2 2007, 08:05 AM
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Nov 2 2007, 07:59 AM
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Nov 1 2007, 09:31 PM
Case in point, the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues.  Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues.  What the hell good is a community rec center when not all members of the community can afford to use it?


Nice one Jack......

what?

the millage for the rec center was passed because the Kirksey administration told us that by using a millage to pay for it, Livonia citizens would not have to pay membership dues. Then lo and behold, the millage won't be enough to fund it, so we must pay dues.







That's what...............
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