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| Kirksey getting desperate; Slams and attacks to increase daily now | |
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| Nikki | Oct 25 2007, 12:24 PM Post #61 |
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"......Maureen denies having anything to do with the piece." She doesn't need to say any more about it. It's old news. Talk about the issues. If he is worried about the "hit" piece he must think that it will cost him votes. I don't think the mailer will matter anyway. I think Brosnan will be elected the new Mayor of Livonia. |
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| Hopeful | Oct 26 2007, 08:19 AM Post #62 |
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After seeing the LWV forum, it is clear that Jack is hanging his hat on the Rec Center. Why did he use the Rec Center in more than half of his answers? If Jack was instrumental in helping the firefighters and police officers, during his previous terms, then why are they now endorsing Brosnan? There are so many questions and so few answers.........
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 09:32 AM Post #63 |
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Because when Jack was mayor didn't he institute a hiring freeze? That affected the Police and firefighters. Why does Maureen keep using the exact same opening and closing remarks? To the point that she thanked the League of Women Voters in her closing remarks at the Chamber? Hey, but I am sure Maureen can't wait to blow us away.. <_< |
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| Extra Olives | Oct 26 2007, 11:26 AM Post #64 |
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While the Rec Center is a nice facility, it is NOT what we were promised when Jack came to us looking for a way to pay for it (we all remember the millage, don't we? Oh, that's right, Jack doesn't raise taxes...). What we were sold and what we got are 2 very different buildings. Yet another example of Kirksey's deceitful methods. |
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| Must Be Psychic | Oct 26 2007, 12:04 PM Post #65 |
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I could not agree more. We voted on something that never fully materialized. |
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| Hopeful | Oct 26 2007, 12:36 PM Post #66 |
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What was it that people voted on versus what actually happened? Sorry, but I really don't know. |
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| mmmmkay? | Oct 26 2007, 12:41 PM Post #67 |
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The Rec Center was supposed to be much larger, more equipment and facility available, and the outside facilities were supposed to be much better. Wish I had one of the original conception drawings and desciption that were used to sell the milliage to the public. I'm sure somebody can dig it up from somewhere. mmmmkay? |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 02:27 PM Post #68 |
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Oh okay. Well this article from the Detroit News August, 1999 states otherwise: Metro Detroit suburbs are learning that if you want to play, you have to pay. Spurred by demands from active families -- and by the example of Canton Township's 3-year-old Summit recreation palace -- suburban communities are competing to build the biggest, best playpens. One growing city serves as an example of the financial setbacks that can arise. Novi's city-owned ice arena lost about $350,000 in 1998, its first year of operation. City Council members are expected to pick a new management company tonight, and City Manager Ed Kriewall said he hopes the arena can break even in a year or two. Such promises didn't stop voters this month from ousting the mayor in a primary dominated by the skating arena and other management concerns. Novi's problems have had an impact across Metro Detroit. Rec center lure "The unfortunate happening in Novi makes everybody sit back and say, We better know exactly where we're headed.' And that's healthy," Livonia Mayor Jack Kirksey said. He is asking voters to approve a $35-million bond issue next month for a recreation center. Kirksey, like leaders in many older suburbs, sees recreation centers as a way to counter the appeal of newer, leafier suburbs farther from Detroit.In Madison Heights, City Manager Jon Austin sees such all-season complexes as essential. "We want to be competitive, not only to residents but to businesses," he said. "We want to look attractive." Livonia shells out $43M In Livonia, Kirksey said his recreation plans are designed partly to give families a reason to stay put instead of moving to places like Canton Township. In Dearborn, the city is planning what it says will be the biggest municipal recreation project in North American history: a $43-million center with weight rooms, a 1,200-seat theater and extensive sports facilities. The bond issue before Livonia voters next month involves a 0.8-mill tax that would include about $500,000 a year for center operations. "The last thing we want is to create a center that would become a financial albatross around the necks of citizens," Kirksey said. Suburban recreation carries cost Money questions are affecting plans for recreation centers in these Metro Detroit suburbs: Dearborn: Costs for center in the works have nearly doubled to $43 million. Madison Heights: Cost concerns have delayed council approval of multimillion-dollar bond issue referendum for center. Novi: City is expected today to hire a new management firm for ice arena that lost $350,000 in its first year. Livonia: Officials scaled back a planned $50-million center by about $15 million. I am sure the Rec Center was many things in the planning stages. Well before the bond vote, it was well known that the plans for the rec center were scaled back significantly. Despite that, the rec center bond issue was passed by a majority of voters. Kirksey did not heap taxes upon us for it, he put it to a vote of the constituency to decide. It is simple, want a rec center you have to pay for it. If you don't want to pay for it through a bond issue, then we won't have a rec center. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 02:41 PM Post #69 |
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In case alzheimers has set in for you all: Detroit News, May 28, 1999 (once again well before the bond issue presented to the community to vote on): LIVONIA -- City officials are scaling back plans for an indoor recreation center by about $15 million after initially proposing a facility that would rival state-of-the-art complexes in Canton Township and Dearborn. The city now plans to spend about $35 million for a 200,000-square-foot facility. The initial proposal called for a better-equipped complex with a large swimming pool. Under the revised plan, the pool is smaller and some exercise and recreation programs were cut or modified, officials said. City and school district officials also are talking about swapping public land to find a central location for the proposed recreation center. A land-swap decision could be announced at a June 9 meeting, city officials said. City officials say they plan to put a tax increase on the November ballot, asking residents to fund the proposed recreation complex. The owner of an average city home would pay about $52 a year for 25 years if the millage increase of 2/3-mill is approved, officials said. A public hearing would be scheduled this summer for residents to speak out on the proposal. Resident Marion Manning said she and her neighbors are enthusiastic about the city developing an indoor recreation facility. Many residents travel outside the city for swimming and other exercise programs, she said. "No one likes spending more money, but if a (recreation center) makes this a better city, I'm all for it," she said. City officials hoped that a large, indoor recreation complex would help keep residents and attract new ones. The city's population has dipped slightly since 1990 to about 100,000. During the 1960s, Livonia was considered the western edge of Wayne County. But now some younger city residents are moving to communities such Canton, Northville and Plymouth townships. Canton opened Summit on the Park two years ago. Many considered it the state's premier indoor recreation complex. Livonia Mayor Jack Kirksey concedes Canton's center is one of the reasons his residents are moving away. He supports the tax increase because it would give residents a "vested interest" in the community. "It's a long-term commitment and a reason to settle in Livonia," he said. What's next Final plans by a local committee for the proposed recreation center should be in the City Council's hands by mid-June. |
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| mmmmkay? | Oct 26 2007, 02:49 PM Post #70 |
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Ummmm.......yeaahhhhhh We all remember what was said <_< mmmmkay? |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 03:00 PM Post #71 |
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Is that the best you have.? You have been clearly shown as being WRONG. But hey I understand you keep using your selective memory. And if you want to talk about stretching the truth, read Steve King's bio on the LPS website. Taught and coached in LPS. This is truly laughable. He student taught (not a paid position) as phys ed student teacher at Grant and coached flag football at Frost. A position he was asked to never reapply for in the future. Interesting. Booted out of the Y, asked not to reapply for coaching positions, says he taught in LPS when he really did his student teaching. He really is full of himself :rolleyes: |
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| yrraH NS | Oct 26 2007, 03:12 PM Post #72 |
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So what you are saying is that we cannot trust everything we read on the LPS web site? Hah! I've been saying that since LPS "disclosed" the true cost of the LI. THERE is a classic example of stretching the truth. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 03:43 PM Post #73 |
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Obviously King finds it necessary to exaggerate his lack of experience. |
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| yrraH NS | Oct 26 2007, 03:44 PM Post #74 |
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And LPS decided to print it. Who's wrong? |
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| Must Be Psychic | Oct 26 2007, 03:47 PM Post #75 |
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How do you know what he was asked to do or not to do? Do LPS administrators share with you what is told to employees behind closed doors? Who did you talk to at the YMCA that was privy to this alleged conversation? |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 04:15 PM Post #76 |
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Well I guess I must be psychic!! Actually, I have friends that sit on the board at the Y and have friends whose kids played flag football at LPS when Mr. King was the coach and there was quite the "alleged" incident that prompted this. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 26 2007, 04:17 PM Post #77 |
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King of course. Duh......why would you even ask. It is his responsiblity to provide the bio, you certainly don't need one to run for office you only have a registered voter in the community. |
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| Xena | Oct 26 2007, 04:27 PM Post #78 |
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I really like having Steve on the BOE. He actually emails and or calls you the same day you contact him. NONE of the other board members ever do that. He LISTENS to the voice's of people in the community, trys to ask questions so more will understand whats going on during board meetings. He has actually asked about several issues that I myself was wondering about. Thanks Steve. I have seen Lisa L. and board members roll their eyes and Im glad Steve doesnt care. He has attempted to bridge the gap between board member and regular citizens. Not the already informed months ago what is going to happen, board supporters. Renee I am really glad you DON"T like Mr. King. It means he is doing the right thing.
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| Spanky | Oct 26 2007, 04:56 PM Post #79 |
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Hmmmm, the name of this thread is 'Kirksey getting desperate'. Renee successfully divertes attention away from kirksey by bringing up Steve King. What does Steve have to do with kirksey? Nothing, of course. 'Renee getting desperate'! Just my take on these last few posts <_< |
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| Xena | Oct 26 2007, 05:06 PM Post #80 |
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its only a short diversion. Use the bathroom, get a snack, a beer. Back to our regularly scheduled postings, Kirksey and Renee getting desperate.
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