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| 134K | Oct 15 2007, 01:39 PM Post #21 |
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But isn't the standardized test already compromised by some students taking it more than once? They could either be tired and not do their best or will have a better grasp on how to answer. seems either way it's going to be skewed and subject to criticism. |
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| BoaterDan | Oct 15 2007, 04:13 PM Post #22 |
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How do you interpret this? "We put it at the beginning of the testing window when students are at their freshest..." I'm taking it at face value to mean we expect the best scores on this section when it is one of the first tests because the students are "fresh". The implication is that any section put first would score relatively higher than one towards the end of the testing period. And she clearly says they choose which test to put first. So, if a school is a little weak in math but rockin' in another subject, change the order and maybe get a point or two where you need it out of the switch. Again, nothing sinister about that and not an indictment for anybody that does it - just a further dose of reality of what the MEAP has created and how comprehensively we play to the test. I think I see what you mean about skewing it... because districts can apparently define the order, some will not have done that subject yet. So some districts will take it twice and some only once. Is that what you're talking about? |
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| 134K | Oct 16 2007, 11:54 AM Post #23 |
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Sorry, Dan. I read that as another dig at LPS. I think you did interpret my thoughts correctly. I was responding to your comment about all questions needing to be the same in order for a standardized test to work. I agree with you, my point was this: if they force some kids to retake it, it also makes the test no longer standardized. I do agree with the way the state allows the test to be administered though. I like that each school has the ability to take the tests when it best fits with their teaching schedule. I think this may be the only aspect of this test that least interferes with the real curriculum. My idea is to throw out the question this year. I think it is the best way to level the playing field for everyone. Certainly some MI students will still have taken one more test than others, but I don't think that will have as significant an impact as re-testing. This year the level playing field has been compromised, I don't think there is any way to fix it so that it is fair for all students. Let it go this year, hold JPS and Citizen Patriot responsible and move on. It's fair to the students and the school districts. |
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| Vanna White | Oct 16 2007, 12:08 PM Post #24 |
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How can each school adminster in the order they see fit without worrying over sharing the questions, particularly the essay prompts? Couldn't this already happen any time under that system? I am sure it probably has...maybe not with the intent to cheat, but I have to imagine that some teachers may have (college) friends that teach in other districts and that they may talk about the MEAP. I think it is highly likely that a teacher somewhere in this state was able to better prepare her class for a particular essay question due to this flaw. If the state is going to take the high and mighty road just because of the issue in Jackson, then they ought to mandate a specific date for administering each specific section. |
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| Deleted User | Oct 16 2007, 12:27 PM Post #25 |
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I don't know that we can even legally toss out the question. I think NCLB makes sure of that. But now the cat is out of the bag, they may be forced to set times and dates for these specific tests. |
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| IlikeLIvonia | Oct 23 2007, 05:48 PM Post #26 |
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It looks like you have your answer Catherine Starks. And the slam mail come from your beloved Jack Kirksey. Do you still feel the same? Jacko must be really scared, really threatened, or in a lot of pain, or maybe just losing his mind to put out such negative things like that. Think of the pain he may have caused. |
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