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Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2007, 09:14 AM (6,965 Views)
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he only day you cannot campaign on school/city property is on election day itself. If you are interested in more information on this, you can contact the City's law department.


Then why are we mauled by poll workers?
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I believe the rule is that one cannot campaign within 100 feet of the door to the polling place.
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Renee Chesney
Oct 12 2007, 11:59 AM
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Oct 12 2007, 11:04 AM
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Oct 12 2007, 09:57 AM
o.k. I clicked on the 'kirksey' link that you provided.  That link went to a website called "Strategic Public Affairs", and Kirksey is listed on the left as one of their consultants.  Click on his name and it goes nowhere..... his name just disappears.

There is no bio there........ what did you mean to show us?

The facts are of interest.  Documented information from his past......? ;)

Interesting that the site for Strategic Public Affairs has 'strategically' removed Jack Kirksey from its web site. :ph43r: Funny... not too long ago, Jack used to be displayed on the web site between Vice President Lisa Nocerini and Consultant Gerald H. Law. Now... POOF! He's gone.....

except of course when someone checks the web site cache. ;)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H4byu...consultants.asp

They say timing is everything. :P

Do you think that maybe he doesn't work there anymore because he is busy running for mayor? He could be on leave of absence, quit, etc. Not a big deal.

You were the one that put that link for everyone to go to to check out Jack! He is no longer part of that website.... go ahead, keep adding your lack of facts!

Still looking for data and facts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some facts!

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Renee Chesney
Oct 12 2007, 11:59 AM
yrraH NS
Oct 12 2007, 11:04 AM
Hopeful
Oct 12 2007, 09:57 AM
o.k. I clicked on the 'kirksey' link that you provided.  That link went to a website called "Strategic Public Affairs", and Kirksey is listed on the left as one of their consultants.  Click on his name and it goes nowhere..... his name just disappears.

There is no bio there........ what did you mean to show us?

The facts are of interest.  Documented information from his past......? ;)

Interesting that the site for Strategic Public Affairs has 'strategically' removed Jack Kirksey from its web site. :ph43r: Funny... not too long ago, Jack used to be displayed on the web site between Vice President Lisa Nocerini and Consultant Gerald H. Law. Now... POOF! He's gone.....

except of course when someone checks the web site cache. ;)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H4byu...consultants.asp

They say timing is everything. :P

Do you think that maybe he doesn't work there anymore because he is busy running for mayor? He could be on leave of absence, quit, etc. Not a big deal.

You were the one that put that link for everyone to go to to check out Jack! He is no longer part of that website.... go ahead, keep adding your lack of facts!

Still looking for data and facts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some facts!

How about the lack of facts in the original post that started this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up.
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Oct 16 2007, 08:36 AM


How about the lack of facts in the original post that sacts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some factarted this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up. [/QUOTE]
Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls.

Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!!

That is what really IRKS-ME!
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Renee Chesney,Oct 16 2007
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How about the lack of facts in the original post that sacts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some factarted this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up.

Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls.

Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!!

That is what really IRKS-ME! [/QUOTE]
Because when I ask Jack, I get the answers which are acceptable to me. Like when I asked him if he ever did not finish serving a term as a representative. He provided me with the answer. I did some research on the internet and deemed what he said was true. All you have to do is the math to see that he served the remaining year and a half of Geake's term and served his three two year terms. Now if you think that legislators in the state house of representatives serve four year terms, I can see how someone would misconstrue that he did not serve out his terms. But since terms in the house of representatives are two year terms, his explanation to me was acceptable. When I found his bio from when he was consulting (most likely removed from the website when he stopped consulting and only available now when cached). While it is possible for the bio on the consulting firm to be wrong, it highly doubt that it is because if there is incorrect information or if he lied in the bio, it would be easily found and point out by individuals on this blog. Therefore, I relied on the years of service to figure out that Jack only had 19 years of service with LPS when he became a legislator and in my opinion that is why he came back to LPS after being a legislator to finish his years of service for his pension. Do I care that he gets more than one pension? Not really. If he did the time and the jobs, then he deserves the pensions. It isn't something that is made available exclusively to him. Anyone could have chosen that path and as a matter of fact, many people do. Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools?
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Oct 15 2007, 07:29 PM
I believe the rule is that one cannot campaign within 100 feet of the door to the polling place.

That is true.
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Oct 16 2007, 09:16 AM
Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools?

Huh??? The first Gulf War was in what, 1991-ish, and the second one is still going on. You said he had " 20 years of service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching..." I don't believe Mr. Kirksey saw active duty in either
Gulf War. He had already moved on from the state legislature was head of Community Ed, no longer teaching and in his 60's when the first war started. Please clarify your post for me, I'm confused.
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Oct 16 2007, 09:16 AM
Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools?

Huh??? The first Gulf War was in what, 1991-ish, and the second one is still going on. You said he had " 20 years of service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching..." I don't believe Mr. Kirksey saw active duty in either
Gulf War. He had already moved on from the state legislature was head of Community Ed, no longer teaching and in his 60's when the first war started. Please clarify your post for me, I'm confused.

I was using it as an example that was more current since Jack's military service was awhile ago and I was reaffirming that I have no issue with Jack receiving more than one pension by showing a different perspective. I was never saying Jack served in either gulf war, just trying to show that there may be individuals who served their years in the military (which could have been during both gulf wars), who once retired from the military obtained a degree and began teaching. Should that person be precluded from receiving two pensions if they served their time and did their jobs? Make sense?
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How about the lack of facts in the original post that sacts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some factarted this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up.

Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls.

Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!!

That is what really IRKS-ME!

Because when I ask Jack, I get the answers which are acceptable to me. Like when I asked him if he ever did not finish serving a term as a representative. He provided me with the answer. I did some research on the internet and deemed what he said was true. All you have to do is the math to see that he served the remaining year and a half of Geake's term and served his three two year terms. Now if you think that legislators in the state house of representatives serve four year terms, I can see how someone would misconstrue that he did not serve out his terms. But since terms in the house of representatives are two year terms, his explanation to me was acceptable. When I found his bio from when he was consulting (most likely removed from the website when he stopped consulting and only available now when cached). While it is possible for the bio on the consulting firm to be wrong, it highly doubt that it is because if there is incorrect information or if he lied in the bio, it would be easily found and point out by individuals on this blog. Therefore, I relied on the years of service to figure out that Jack only had 19 years of service with LPS when he became a legislator and in my opinion that is why he came back to LPS after being a legislator to finish his years of service for his pension. Do I care that he gets more than one pension? Not really. If he did the time and the jobs, then he deserves the pensions. It isn't something that is made available exclusively to him. Anyone could have chosen that path and as a matter of fact, many people do. Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools? [/QUOTE]
You "relied on his years of service" and "in my opinion" do not seem factual.

What are the FACTS? Is this really so hard for you? Your opinion, although not always the same as mine, seems irrelevant. Kirksey really needs to put out some factual information to help the public understand who he is, in EVERY aspect.

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Renee Chesney,Oct 16 2007
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How about the lack of facts in the original post that sacts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some factarted this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up.

Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls.

Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!!

That is what really IRKS-ME!

Because when I ask Jack, I get the answers which are acceptable to me. Like when I asked him if he ever did not finish serving a term as a representative. He provided me with the answer. I did some research on the internet and deemed what he said was true. All you have to do is the math to see that he served the remaining year and a half of Geake's term and served his three two year terms. Now if you think that legislators in the state house of representatives serve four year terms, I can see how someone would misconstrue that he did not serve out his terms. But since terms in the house of representatives are two year terms, his explanation to me was acceptable. When I found his bio from when he was consulting (most likely removed from the website when he stopped consulting and only available now when cached). While it is possible for the bio on the consulting firm to be wrong, it highly doubt that it is because if there is incorrect information or if he lied in the bio, it would be easily found and point out by individuals on this blog. Therefore, I relied on the years of service to figure out that Jack only had 19 years of service with LPS when he became a legislator and in my opinion that is why he came back to LPS after being a legislator to finish his years of service for his pension. Do I care that he gets more than one pension? Not really. If he did the time and the jobs, then he deserves the pensions. It isn't something that is made available exclusively to him. Anyone could have chosen that path and as a matter of fact, many people do. Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools?

You "relied on his years of service" and "in my opinion" do not seem factual.

What are the FACTS? Is this really so hard for you? Your opinion, although not always the same as mine, seems irrelevant. Kirksey really needs to put out some factual information to help the public understand who he is, in EVERY aspect. [/QUOTE]
If you are relying on this forum for FACTS, you are being really silly. That first post, in this thread, is full of baseless lies. The person that posted even said the information came from a former friend or something of Kirksey's. I posted where I got my info from, if you don't like source then disregard. No need to be nasty. I refuse to ask the man for his military records and a copy of his LPS personnel file, when I find him to be truthful in his answers to my questions. Furthermore, why would I waste my time to pull information that isn't available easily when you aren't even going to vote for him anyway?
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Oct 10 2007, 08:14 AM
- 1972 - Livonia was part of a Congressional redistricting. It was a political power move to force Livonia to fall under the jurisdiction of the Republican controlled majority in Congress and the State Legislature.

- 1977 - Carl Pursell was a Republican member of the Michigan State Senate who resigned his State Senate position after winning the election to the US House of Representatives and began serving on Jan 3, 1977.

- 1977 - Robert Geake was a Republican member of the Michigan State House of Representatives who resigned his position at this time to assume the position vacated by Carl Pursell.

- 1977 - Special election held to fill the seat vacated by Robert Geake in the Michigan State House of Represenatives.

- Then a Democrat Jack Kirksey consulted with Republican Robert Geake on what it would take to win that seat in the special election. The former seat holder told Kirksey that he must become a Republican and instructed him on exactly what to say and do to win the seat as a Republican

- Kirksey switches parties from Democratic to Republican, follows Geakes instructions, and gets elected to the Michigan State House of Representatives as a Republican.

- During his elected terms Kirksey never committed to any position on the Pro-Choice / Pro-Life debate, never did anything of record as an elected official, and cemented ties to large lobbying organizations (Lobbying Firm ) to secure lucrative employment beyond elected office.

- Also at this same time many of the known political families in Livonia switched alliances from the Democratic to Republican. This would include the McCann's, the Toy's, and many more. All doing so to go along with the political party in Congressional and State control of the District, not for any other reason. They all still hold this deep rooted political partisan fellowship and quest for continued control of everything political in Livonia.

- Before his 2nd term was due to expire Kirksey resigned his elected office due to a Supreme Court desision that limited his pension benefits from the LPS School District. He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension, so he dumped his elected position and the promises he made to his constiuents and went back to work at LPS for the sole purpose of $$$$.


So how does a former Democrat who never committed to any Pro-Choice / Pro-Life position, and failed his constituents while in elected office, opting for money instead of service to the people, end up becoming a pro-life republican who makes every attempt to appear that he is seeking office to serve the people?

It is very apparent that he serves only himself and those who play his partisan games. He does not seek any office, position, or employment if it does not have a direct gain on greed for power and his greed for money. Plain and simple, Jack Kirksey has been a fake, a fraud, and nothing but a political player for his own benefit for many years as you can see.

Electing this man to any further politcal offices would be a cruel joke played on all of us, that is, unless you were one of his partisan players.

Our great city does not desrve an old man who would jump political party affiliations, shirk his elected duties, abandon his constituents, make power and money grabs, and decieve the public, all for his own benefit, sitting in the most imporatant office in our community at this time, we need honest, ethical, and reliable leadership today.

I would like you to cite where you received this information.
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Oct 16 2007, 04:16 PM
I would like you to cite where you received this information.

I hope you don't actually expect an answer when it comes to sources/facts. The last time I tried to get the facts I was met with statements like:

"This is backdoor politics at it's best"

"Everyone knows how that BS goes on"

"I thought you people didn't care about facts!!"

Of course, I was never given any backup to the statement I was questioning, which had absolutely no truth to it whatsoever!
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Oct 16 2007, 03:16 PM

I would like you to cite where you received this information.

I believe the poster stated that this came from a fellow political colleague of his in a previous post, and no, not Mayor Bennett.



mmmmkay?
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Of course, I was never given any backup to the statement I was questioning, which had absolutely no truth to it whatsoever!

I think you need to find that political colleague and ask the questions yourself, or maybe Jack will publicly respond to them? Think about that before you try to dispel anything as truth or not.
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Oct 17 2007, 07:47 AM
livoniarocks
Oct 16 2007, 03:16 PM

I would like you to cite where you received this information.

I believe the poster stated that this came from a fellow political colleague of his in a previous post, and no, not Mayor Bennett.



mmmmkay?

The poster was Hopeful, and he/she did NOT cite their source, although I questioned it several times. Go back and check the Campaign Finance thread if you need to refresh your memory, mmmmkay?
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Of course, I was never given any backup to the statement I was questioning, which had absolutely no truth to it whatsoever!

I think you need to find that political colleague and ask the questions yourself, or maybe Jack will publicly respond to them? Think about that before you try to dispel anything as truth or not.

Maybe you haven't read the LivoniaNeighbors "Forum Rules": "If you post something as a fact, please ad a link to your source, or where you found your source material."
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Facts need to come from both sides. Early on this thread, I requested that ILIkeLivonia provide sources for the initial posting, and later Renee Chesney for her sources.

Both have stated that they were "told" their information, from different sources. That doesn't make them right or wrong, it only makes the information hearsay. ;)

Does anyone have the facts one way or the other? ;)
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I guess I would like to hear the facts, WHATEVER they are, from the candidate. Can he respond to this? I am thinking that if he cannot, or does not, it puts more legitimacy on the original post and less credibility on him IMO.
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I guess I would like to hear the facts, WHATEVER they are, from the candidate. Can he respond to this? I am thinking that if he cannot, or does not, it puts more legitimacy on the original post and less credibility on him IMO.

Oh okay. Well get Maureen on here and I'll ask Jack. Then we can ask them all the questions we want. You really don't think either one of them would come on here do ya? Whatever.
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