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| Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth? | |
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| 134K | Oct 15 2007, 01:50 PM Post #121 |
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Then why are we mauled by poll workers? |
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| still concerned mom | Oct 15 2007, 08:29 PM Post #122 |
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I believe the rule is that one cannot campaign within 100 feet of the door to the polling place. |
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| Hopeful | Oct 16 2007, 09:07 AM Post #123 |
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You were the one that put that link for everyone to go to to check out Jack! He is no longer part of that website.... go ahead, keep adding your lack of facts! Still looking for data and facts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some facts! |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 16 2007, 09:36 AM Post #124 |
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How about the lack of facts in the original post that started this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up. |
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| Hopeful | Oct 16 2007, 09:56 AM Post #125 |
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How about the lack of facts in the original post that sacts to support anything that you have said about Kirksey. His campaign really IRKS-ME with the lack of facts coming from his supporter group. If you really want to support him, try throwing out some factarted this thread. At one time jack worked for the consultant firm. No big deal. I don't have daily communication with Jack nor do I call him every time an accusation is hurled his way on this blog for confirmation or denial. Sorry to IRK you so much. You obviously aren't voting for him anyway so lighten up. [/QUOTE] Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls. Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!! That is what really IRKS-ME! |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 16 2007, 10:16 AM Post #126 |
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Still trying to get facts on him. My vote is not determined until that day, at the polls. Why doesn't Jack come out to the public and tell everyone his total involvement with the LI, re-call election and the regular school board election? If you are truly a supporter, why aren't you trying to get the facts out about Kirksey??!! That is what really IRKS-ME! [/QUOTE] Because when I ask Jack, I get the answers which are acceptable to me. Like when I asked him if he ever did not finish serving a term as a representative. He provided me with the answer. I did some research on the internet and deemed what he said was true. All you have to do is the math to see that he served the remaining year and a half of Geake's term and served his three two year terms. Now if you think that legislators in the state house of representatives serve four year terms, I can see how someone would misconstrue that he did not serve out his terms. But since terms in the house of representatives are two year terms, his explanation to me was acceptable. When I found his bio from when he was consulting (most likely removed from the website when he stopped consulting and only available now when cached). While it is possible for the bio on the consulting firm to be wrong, it highly doubt that it is because if there is incorrect information or if he lied in the bio, it would be easily found and point out by individuals on this blog. Therefore, I relied on the years of service to figure out that Jack only had 19 years of service with LPS when he became a legislator and in my opinion that is why he came back to LPS after being a legislator to finish his years of service for his pension. Do I care that he gets more than one pension? Not really. If he did the time and the jobs, then he deserves the pensions. It isn't something that is made available exclusively to him. Anyone could have chosen that path and as a matter of fact, many people do. Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools? |
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| livoniarocks | Oct 16 2007, 11:47 AM Post #127 |
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That is true. |
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| Extra Olives | Oct 16 2007, 11:50 AM Post #128 |
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Huh??? The first Gulf War was in what, 1991-ish, and the second one is still going on. You said he had " 20 years of service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching..." I don't believe Mr. Kirksey saw active duty in either Gulf War. He had already moved on from the state legislature was head of Community Ed, no longer teaching and in his 60's when the first war started. Please clarify your post for me, I'm confused. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 16 2007, 12:43 PM Post #129 |
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I was using it as an example that was more current since Jack's military service was awhile ago and I was reaffirming that I have no issue with Jack receiving more than one pension by showing a different perspective. I was never saying Jack served in either gulf war, just trying to show that there may be individuals who served their years in the military (which could have been during both gulf wars), who once retired from the military obtained a degree and began teaching. Should that person be precluded from receiving two pensions if they served their time and did their jobs? Make sense? |
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| Hopeful | Oct 16 2007, 01:53 PM Post #130 |
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Because when I ask Jack, I get the answers which are acceptable to me. Like when I asked him if he ever did not finish serving a term as a representative. He provided me with the answer. I did some research on the internet and deemed what he said was true. All you have to do is the math to see that he served the remaining year and a half of Geake's term and served his three two year terms. Now if you think that legislators in the state house of representatives serve four year terms, I can see how someone would misconstrue that he did not serve out his terms. But since terms in the house of representatives are two year terms, his explanation to me was acceptable. When I found his bio from when he was consulting (most likely removed from the website when he stopped consulting and only available now when cached). While it is possible for the bio on the consulting firm to be wrong, it highly doubt that it is because if there is incorrect information or if he lied in the bio, it would be easily found and point out by individuals on this blog. Therefore, I relied on the years of service to figure out that Jack only had 19 years of service with LPS when he became a legislator and in my opinion that is why he came back to LPS after being a legislator to finish his years of service for his pension. Do I care that he gets more than one pension? Not really. If he did the time and the jobs, then he deserves the pensions. It isn't something that is made available exclusively to him. Anyone could have chosen that path and as a matter of fact, many people do. Are you going to tell me that someone who spent 20 years in the service in both gulf wars, who comes home and gets a degree in teaching, then teaches for 20 some years, doesn't deserve the pensions he or she gets from the military and the schools? [/QUOTE] You "relied on his years of service" and "in my opinion" do not seem factual. What are the FACTS? Is this really so hard for you? Your opinion, although not always the same as mine, seems irrelevant. Kirksey really needs to put out some factual information to help the public understand who he is, in EVERY aspect. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 16 2007, 03:44 PM Post #131 |
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You "relied on his years of service" and "in my opinion" do not seem factual. What are the FACTS? Is this really so hard for you? Your opinion, although not always the same as mine, seems irrelevant. Kirksey really needs to put out some factual information to help the public understand who he is, in EVERY aspect. [/QUOTE] If you are relying on this forum for FACTS, you are being really silly. That first post, in this thread, is full of baseless lies. The person that posted even said the information came from a former friend or something of Kirksey's. I posted where I got my info from, if you don't like source then disregard. No need to be nasty. I refuse to ask the man for his military records and a copy of his LPS personnel file, when I find him to be truthful in his answers to my questions. Furthermore, why would I waste my time to pull information that isn't available easily when you aren't even going to vote for him anyway? |
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| livoniarocks | Oct 16 2007, 04:16 PM Post #132 |
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I would like you to cite where you received this information. |
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| Queen of Hearts | Oct 17 2007, 06:38 AM Post #133 |
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I hope you don't actually expect an answer when it comes to sources/facts. The last time I tried to get the facts I was met with statements like: "This is backdoor politics at it's best" "Everyone knows how that BS goes on" "I thought you people didn't care about facts!!" Of course, I was never given any backup to the statement I was questioning, which had absolutely no truth to it whatsoever! |
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| mmmmkay? | Oct 17 2007, 07:47 AM Post #134 |
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I believe the poster stated that this came from a fellow political colleague of his in a previous post, and no, not Mayor Bennett. mmmmkay? |
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| Sourapples | Oct 17 2007, 08:06 AM Post #135 |
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I think you need to find that political colleague and ask the questions yourself, or maybe Jack will publicly respond to them? Think about that before you try to dispel anything as truth or not. |
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| Queen of Hearts | Oct 17 2007, 10:04 PM Post #136 |
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The poster was Hopeful, and he/she did NOT cite their source, although I questioned it several times. Go back and check the Campaign Finance thread if you need to refresh your memory, mmmmkay? |
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| Queen of Hearts | Oct 17 2007, 10:08 PM Post #137 |
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Maybe you haven't read the LivoniaNeighbors "Forum Rules": "If you post something as a fact, please ad a link to your source, or where you found your source material." |
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| Hopeful | Oct 18 2007, 08:33 AM Post #138 |
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Facts need to come from both sides. Early on this thread, I requested that ILIkeLivonia provide sources for the initial posting, and later Renee Chesney for her sources. Both have stated that they were "told" their information, from different sources. That doesn't make them right or wrong, it only makes the information hearsay. Does anyone have the facts one way or the other?
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| Whatever | Oct 18 2007, 10:12 AM Post #139 |
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I guess I would like to hear the facts, WHATEVER they are, from the candidate. Can he respond to this? I am thinking that if he cannot, or does not, it puts more legitimacy on the original post and less credibility on him IMO. |
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| Renee Chesney | Oct 18 2007, 11:14 AM Post #140 |
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Oh okay. Well get Maureen on here and I'll ask Jack. Then we can ask them all the questions we want. You really don't think either one of them would come on here do ya? Whatever. |
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