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Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2007, 09:14 AM (6,966 Views)
CoolnCalm
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Oct 14 2007, 10:28 AM
Spanky
Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

I guesss unless I better not EVER wear my MSU shirt again since I graduated and am no longer a student there.

It's a SHIRT. Get over it.
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School Board members have been capaigning on school property, and on cable TV in every recent election. But I do agree, I think candidates should keep it away from schools. I think it should stay out of PTA meetings. I think the crossing guard at our school should be fired for passing out campaign literature illegally when he full well knew it was. He is a large Kirksey supporter by the way.
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Oct 14 2007, 10:28 AM
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Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

Freeman is an old expert when it comes to using school property to campaign. He was at many wrestling games campaigning, and probably other school functions as well. Apparently, there is no law against it, freedom of speech I suppose, although, when it came to petitioning, well, that was a whole other story. <_<
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CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 11:31 AM
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Oct 14 2007, 10:28 AM
Spanky
Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

I guesss unless I better not EVER wear my MSU shirt again since I graduated and am no longer a student there.

It's a SHIRT. Get over it.

It's a STICKER, get over it!

I was trying to be civil here, cnc. I was not condoning the fact that she was there. I asked (very nicely) if she grabbed a microphone to campaign? I asked if what she was doing DETRACTED from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS??? I really never asked you to GET OVER the fact she was there.

You absolutely can wear your MSU shirt as I will be wearing my MSU sweatshirt every chance I get. Just don't wear a U of M shirt or you'll really be in trouble :lol:

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Oct 14 2007, 10:35 AM
School Board members have been capaigning on school property, and on cable TV in every recent election. But I do agree, I think candidates should keep it away from schools. I think it should stay out of PTA meetings. I think the crossing guard at our school should be fired for passing out campaign literature illegally when he full well knew it was. He is a large Kirksey supporter by the way.

Then we agree Jimid. Campaigning for city office should be kept away from school property. School employess should not campaign for anyone while on the clock. PTA meetings should not be the venue for city, state or national elections.

I am on the fence about school board elections at PTA meetings, though. Gonna have to think about that one!
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Oct 14 2007, 11:01 AM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 11:31 AM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 10:28 AM
Spanky
Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

I guesss unless I better not EVER wear my MSU shirt again since I graduated and am no longer a student there.

It's a SHIRT. Get over it.

It's a STICKER, get over it!

I was trying to be civil here, cnc. I was not condoning the fact that she was there. I asked (very nicely) if she grabbed a microphone to campaign? I asked if what she was doing DETRACTED from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS??? I really never asked you to GET OVER the fact she was there.

You absolutely can wear your MSU shirt as I will be wearing my MSU sweatshirt every chance I get. Just don't wear a U of M shirt or you'll really be in trouble :lol:

Never worry, you will never see me in maize and blue ;) Hey, one of these days we should connect for a good ole MSU party!!!!!

You asked if she detracted from the game. Well, there was a lot of talk DURNING the game by a number of people sitting around me in the stands. There were grandparents, aunts, uncles etc. since it was PARENT night...so in that case, hearing those conversations did distract a bit ;)

The game ROCKED by the way. Go SHS!!! Thanks to the parents and other supporters that have made this year a great success for all the athletes, cheerleaders, poms and band. Can't forget the band!!!!!

Go Green!
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Renee Chesney
Oct 13 2007, 09:30 PM
Age is a weak discrimination tool when you are talking about being qualified to run our city or to live in and contribute to this community?


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Are you implying that Jack is old?
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Oct 14 2007, 10:26 AM
I just find it ironic that there was an issue with Jack being at Laural Park Mall a PUBLIC place yet when the "other candidate" does the same thing at a school function ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. it's ok.

I just fell the need to clarify here: Schools ARE public property. We all pay for them with our tax dollars. The mall is private property. It is not owned by the public, although certainly the public spends time there.

If there are going to be rules about campaigning on school property or at school activities, they ought to apply to all...including incumbant school board trustees running for re-election.
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Oct 14 2007, 01:21 PM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 10:26 AM
I just find it ironic that there was an issue with Jack being at Laural Park Mall a PUBLIC place yet when the "other candidate" does the same thing at a school function ON  SCHOOL  PROPERTY. it's ok.

I just fell the need to clarify here: Schools ARE public property. We all pay for them with our tax dollars. The mall is private property. It is not owned by the public, although certainly the public spends time there.

If there are going to be rules about campaigning on school property or at school activities, they ought to apply to all...including incumbant school board trustees running for re-election.

Can someone who is up for election be considered as campaigning just by attending an event at a school even if they are not handing out campaign literature?
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In Maureen's case she is up at school events because her children are in grade school. That is where she belongs. If Jack has young children that are in a school activity or game, then he should be there also.

On Maureen's behalf, she did not campaign one bit when we met. In fact she was all about her children and asking about my kids too. I found her to be a delightful kindhearted mom and I would never have known that she was a politician if I hadn't known show he was from school.
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Oct 14 2007, 11:01 AM
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Oct 14 2007, 11:31 AM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 10:28 AM
Spanky
Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

I guesss unless I better not EVER wear my MSU shirt again since I graduated and am no longer a student there.

It's a SHIRT. Get over it.

It's a STICKER, get over it!

I was trying to be civil here, cnc. I was not condoning the fact that she was there. I asked (very nicely) if she grabbed a microphone to campaign? I asked if what she was doing DETRACTED from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS??? I really never asked you to GET OVER the fact she was there.

You absolutely can wear your MSU shirt as I will be wearing my MSU sweatshirt every chance I get. Just don't wear a U of M shirt or you'll really be in trouble :lol:

Never worry, you will never see me in maize and blue ;) Hey, one of these days we should connect for a good ole MSU party!!!!!

You asked if she detracted from the game. Well, there was a lot of talk DURNING the game by a number of people sitting around me in the stands. There were grandparents, aunts, uncles etc. since it was PARENT night...so in that case, hearing those conversations did distract a bit ;)

The game ROCKED by the way. Go SHS!!! Thanks to the parents and other supporters that have made this year a great success for all the athletes, cheerleaders, poms and band. Can't forget the band!!!!!

Go Green!

It's too bad the people around you chose to dwell on the fact that she was there, at the ticket booth, passing out stickers. They probably ruined the evening for themselves just by talking about it. That's the kind of thing I can just ignore, much like the annoying, pre-recorded messages you get on the phone at election time. I don't really need a tinny voice telling me who to vote for or what not to believe!

And what about those election signs? Has anybody driven by Newburgh and Plymouth Road lately? That is something I cannot ignore. All those signs look SO trashy :blink:
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Oct 14 2007, 01:21 PM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 10:26 AM
I just find it ironic that there was an issue with Jack being at Laural Park Mall a PUBLIC place yet when the "other candidate" does the same thing at a school function ON  SCHOOL  PROPERTY. it's ok.

I just fell the need to clarify here: Schools ARE public property. We all pay for them with our tax dollars. The mall is private property. It is not owned by the public, although certainly the public spends time there.

If there are going to be rules about campaigning on school property or at school activities, they ought to apply to all...including incumbant school board trustees running for re-election.

I totally agree. Handing out campaign literature at a school event should not be allowed and since there was an outcry when Jack wore a shirt at the mall. there should be just as much of an outcry at Ms. Brosan at the game introducing herself to people, asking them to vote for her and handing out campaign literature (stickers)

Unless there is a double standard on this blog....but I can't believe there would be.
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Oct 14 2007, 01:58 PM
Vanna White
Oct 14 2007, 01:21 PM
CoolnCalm
Oct 14 2007, 10:26 AM
I just find it ironic that there was an issue with Jack being at Laural Park Mall a PUBLIC place yet when the "other candidate" does the same thing at a school function ON  SCHOOL  PROPERTY. it's ok.

I just fell the need to clarify here: Schools ARE public property. We all pay for them with our tax dollars. The mall is private property. It is not owned by the public, although certainly the public spends time there.

If there are going to be rules about campaigning on school property or at school activities, they ought to apply to all...including incumbant school board trustees running for re-election.

Can someone who is up for election be considered as campaigning just by attending an event at a school even if they are not handing out campaign literature?

No, they would have every right to attend an event, as long as they were not actively introducing themselves and handing out any campaign literature.

When you approach people, that is when you cross the line IMHO. And again, while it may be allowed, it doesn't mean you should. I think respect for the kids and activities need to be maintained. If either candidate chose to sell concessions, help out at the ticket booth, etc, that would be fine, but again, leave the campaigning and literature and SHIRT (that was for ya spanky ;) ) out of it!
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Oct 14 2007, 02:11 PM
In Maureen's case she is up at school events because her children are in grade school. That is where she belongs. If Jack has young children that are in a school activity or game, then he should be there also.

On Maureen's behalf, she did not campaign one bit when we met. In fact she was all about her children and asking about my kids too. I found her to be a delightful kindhearted mom and I would never have known that she was a politician if I hadn't known show he was from school.

For the record, don't your children attend the same school as hers? You would KNOW her, hence no need to ask for your vote.

*I* on the other hand along with my relatives and friends did not and we were all approached.

Nowhere did I say she wasn't cordial or disrespectful. I found her also pleasant and cheerful. BUT, again, was it the correct venue????
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It seems like a great place to me. I have no problem with it. Are you upset because your candidate didn't think of it first?
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Oct 14 2007, 02:55 PM
It seems like a great place to me. I have no problem with it. Are you upset because your candidate didn't think of it first?

Aww, Nicki, Nicki, Nicki.......

Do me a favor. Go check out the HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL thread around page 7. Go to the second page, Aug. 28. It was YOU that brought up the fact that Mr. Kirksey was there/

Go a little further....read what Dazed and Confused wrote:

I heard Kirksey was there today, hmmm, would that be called campaigning at a LPS function? Shame on you Mr. Kirksey!!

Let's just hope the confused one posts a shame on Ms Brosnan post!

I wish I could continue on here...but alas I need to get to DTW and catch a plane in a bit. Don't interpret my absense as not defending my posts. I have a family to support and won't be around my laptop for a few days

Have a good week, everyone.... play NICE.
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Oct 14 2007, 02:11 PM
In Maureen's case she is up at school events because her children are in grade school. That is where she belongs. If Jack has young children that are in a school activity or game, then he should be there also.

On Maureen's behalf, she did not campaign one bit when we met. In fact she was all about her children and asking about my kids too. I found her to be a delightful kindhearted mom and I would never have known that she was a politician if I hadn't known show he was from school.

Maureen is up at St. Mike's because her children attend there, she is not regularly at LPS buildings. You are right she belongs as those events for her children and should be recognized as any other parent for participating in events with their children. But I agree with CoolnCalm on this one if it wasn't OK for Jack to be at Laurel Park Place, then it should not be recognized as being OK for Maureen to be at SHS greeting people and asking for votes. That is a double standard, but it seems that this blog is mainly about the double standard.
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Oct 14 2007, 04:11 PM
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Oct 14 2007, 02:11 PM
In Maureen's case she is up at school events because her children are in grade school.  That is where she belongs.  If Jack has young children that are in a school activity or game, then he should be there also.

On Maureen's behalf, she did not campaign one bit when we met.  In fact she was all about her children and asking about my kids too.  I found her to be a delightful kindhearted mom and I would never have known that she was a politician if I hadn't known show he was from school.

Maureen is up at St. Mike's because her children attend there, she is not regularly at LPS buildings. You are right she belongs as those events for her children and should be recognized as any other parent for participating in events with their children. But I agree with CoolnCalm on this one if it wasn't OK for Jack to be at Laurel Park Place, then it should not be recognized as being OK for Maureen to be at SHS greeting people and asking for votes. That is a double standard, but it seems that this blog is mainly about the double standard.

Sorry we can't all live up to your standards. ;)
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Oct 14 2007, 03:26 PM
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Oct 14 2007, 02:55 PM
It seems like a great place to me.  I have no problem with it.  Are you upset because your candidate didn't think of it first?

Aww, Nicki, Nicki, Nicki.......

Do me a favor. Go check out the HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL thread around page 7. Go to the second page, Aug. 28. It was YOU that brought up the fact that Mr. Kirksey was there/

Go a little further....read what Dazed and Confused wrote:

I heard Kirksey was there today, hmmm, would that be called campaigning at a LPS function? Shame on you Mr. Kirksey!!

Let's just hope the confused one posts a shame on Ms Brosnan post!

I wish I could continue on here...but alas I need to get to DTW and catch a plane in a bit. Don't interpret my absense as not defending my posts. I have a family to support and won't be around my laptop for a few days

Have a good week, everyone.... play NICE.

Nice coolncalm!!!!!
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Micki
Oct 14 2007, 02:11 PM
In Maureen's case she is up at school events because her children are in grade school.  That is where she belongs.  If Jack has young children that are in a school activity or game, then he should be there also.

On Maureen's behalf, she did not campaign one bit when we met.  In fact she was all about her children and asking about my kids too.  I found her to be a delightful kindhearted mom and I would never have known that she was a politician if I hadn't known show he was from school.

Maureen is up at St. Mike's because her children attend there, she is not regularly at LPS buildings. You are right she belongs as those events for her children and should be recognized as any other parent for participating in events with their children. But I agree with CoolnCalm on this one if it wasn't OK for Jack to be at Laurel Park Place, then it should not be recognized as being OK for Maureen to be at SHS greeting people and asking for votes. That is a double standard, but it seems that this blog is mainly about the double standard.

Sorry we can't all live up to your standards. ;)

Really, any candidate can go anywhere they want to campaign. In fact, the "30 day rule" for lawn signs is not a law, it's an unwritten rule that Livonia Candidates have followed throughout the years. Freedom of Speech keeps it from actually being law. Just as at the LOWV forum, most, if not all, candidates had literature there for the public to take. The only day you cannot campaign on school/city property is on election day itself. If you are interested in more information on this, you can contact the City's law department.

For years candidates from both sides have campaigned at City and School functions, as well as Laurel Park Mall functions. This is what politics is about, they try to get their name and face out as many times as possible. Neither did anything wrong in campaigning at there respective places, that's what politics is about.
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