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Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2007, 09:14 AM (6,967 Views)
Nikki
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Scheel=Freeman=Oke=LPS=Kirksey :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Oct 13 2007, 05:12 PM
When it comes to age, I would like to look back in history. Does anybody remember the outcry when Ronald Reagan was elected President? How could a 69 year old man be President of the United States? I think he did a fine job. He served 8 years as our President, and left at the age of 77. But he was slipping by the end of his second term. Now, obviously, being the Mayor of Livonia is absolutely nothing like being the President of the United States. But Jack Kirksey will be 78, or 79? when he would take office? 83 or 84 at the end of his term? It does raise valid concerns in my opinion. He may be in perfect health, but at his age things can change very quickly as we all know. Who would take office if his health fails. I think these questions are not unreasonable. Thats why I think he should serve the community in some other way.

My SIL died at the ripe YOUNG age of 47 of cancer. What is your point????
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I am very sorry for your loss. I do not understand why you would bring that up in your post. We all know that risk factors for many, many diseases increase with age. I almost lost my mother this week to something very simple that, because of her age, was nearly fatal. Thats my point, what is yours?
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Oct 13 2007, 07:52 PM
I am very sorry for your loss. I do not understand why you would bring that up in your post. We all know that risk factors for many, many diseases increase with age. I almost lost my mother this week to something very simple that, because of her age, was nearly fatal. Thats my point, what is yours?

Thank you for your condolences.

MY point is just because you are NOT OLD doesn't mean you are immune to illnesses and death. I have seen way too many young people succumb to accidents and cancer. A few years ago a young man passed away of ARDS as a sophmore at SHS.

Just beause Ms Brosnan is "younger" doesn't mean she is immune to any disease or accident. Ask me. I had cancer when I was 38 and luckily for me, it was found early enough and I made a complete recovery.

I am glad your mom recovered.

Another issue is that these comments about "age" on this board are not favorable to our senior citizen community. I think you better start realizing that there are a number of computer savy seniors that are reading this blog and now are more than willing to vote for Mr. Kirksey.
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jolly rancher
Oct 13 2007, 03:53 PM
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Oct 13 2007, 10:49 AM
How is a man who will be 82 years old at the end of his term attract young people to our city? Thats a nice face to put on a city that desperately needs young new families. Why can't Kirksey just pull the strings from behind the curtains as usual, and let us all move on. Why? Because he can't move on. He needs it to live, even if it screws over our city. Believe me, it's already known as the "old peoples" city. Young folks are moving to Plymouth pops! And another old face wont attract anyone. When will you let the next generation take over Jack? When your 90?

Young people are moving to Plymouth because they have a downtown area. That's what attracts young people.

Who better to bring families to Livonia than someone who has raised their family here, and then their children raise their family here, and then the grandkids live here and begin their families here. Hmmmm. Looks like it keeps families together.

Two of his 3 kids have lived Out West for years. If you are referring to the smiling faces in the photo in his flyer, those folks aren't related to him.
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CoolnCalm
Oct 13 2007, 09:04 PM
Jimid
Oct 13 2007, 07:52 PM
I am very sorry for your loss. I do not understand why you would bring that up in your post. We all know that risk factors for many, many diseases increase with age. I almost lost my mother this week to something very simple that, because of her age, was nearly fatal. Thats my point, what is yours?

Thank you for your condolences.

MY point is just because you are NOT OLD doesn't mean you are immune to illnesses and death. I have seen way too many young people succumb to accidents and cancer. A few years ago a young man passed away of ARDS as a sophmore at SHS.

Just beause Ms Brosnan is "younger" doesn't mean she is immune to any disease or accident. Ask me. I had cancer when I was 38 and luckily for me, it was found early enough and I made a complete recovery.

I am glad your mom recovered.

Another issue is that these comments about "age" on this board are not favorable to our senior citizen community. I think you better start realizing that there are a number of computer savy seniors that are reading this blog and now are more than willing to vote for Mr. Kirksey.

I completely agree. I converse with my parents online everyday! They are 78 and 72 and enjoy every day of their retirement in Florida to its fullest. I don't worry about offending our seniors, because they can see through this political bullcrap more than any of us! They were our age once, and have seen it all. But there does come a point where enjoying your life, and leaving your kids to grow up and take responsibility for their communities has to happen.

P.S. to you seniors....

I still love being called a kid at 44 :lol: . (And now I catch myself calling 30 year olds kids :o :P )
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And I need to add..... you should see some of the funny links my Mom sends me everyday :lol: .
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And here is todays installment from Mom.....

http://www.kerman94.com/mexicotourism
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Sourapples
Oct 13 2007, 08:07 PM
jolly rancher
Oct 13 2007, 03:53 PM
Mongo
Oct 13 2007, 10:49 AM
How is a man who will be 82 years old at the end of his term attract young people to our city? Thats a nice face to put on a city that desperately needs young new families. Why can't Kirksey just pull the strings from behind the curtains as usual, and let us all move on. Why? Because he can't move on. He needs it to live, even if it screws over our city. Believe me, it's already known as the "old peoples" city. Young folks are moving to Plymouth pops! And another old face wont attract anyone. When will you let the next generation take over Jack? When your 90?

Young people are moving to Plymouth because they have a downtown area. That's what attracts young people.

Who better to bring families to Livonia than someone who has raised their family here, and then their children raise their family here, and then the grandkids live here and begin their families here. Hmmmm. Looks like it keeps families together.

Two of his 3 kids have lived Out West for years. If you are referring to the smiling faces in the photo in his flyer, those folks aren't related to him.

But he has a child who lives here and his granddaughter lives here and is engaged and looking to continue living here and when the time is right to starting her family here. I was not referring to anyone pictured in any of the flyers.
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Oct 13 2007, 03:22 PM
Age will be a factor. I think Jack Kirksey's talents would better serve our city in another capacity other than Mayor if he still wants to contribute. Image means a lot to the 20-35 age group. Just the group we are trying to attract. I don't believe Jack Kirksey would project the kind of image it would take to woo younger folks to the city. I'm not questioning whether or not he can do the job, I am just looking at this from a marketing standpoint. And we need some marketing around here now, because Livonia can not live on it's reputation anymore.

That is great Jimid. How are you going to get the seniors out of their homes? I do not want my parents forced out of their home for a young familiy to move in and I certainly do not want to be forced out if I am not ready to go. Livonia has always been a community with more of senior group than a young group. Look at the census reports. People move here and want to stay. They want to stay with their kids who are raising their families. Age is a weak discrimination tool when you are talking about being qualified to run our city or to live in and contribute to this community?

Great, let's send the message that in Livonia we want our seniors out and only young families in? If you aren't married and planning on having kids, don't move here. I personally like the fact that my kids can walk to their grandparents house. They are significant part of their life and I can't imagine them not being around here. A single focus on bringing one group of people in here to move another out is just wrong.

I disagree on Jack being bad for marketing. Not many people look at who or what the mayor looks like when they move into a community. It is about the community itself. Ask me who was mayor or one the school board when I moved back to this community. I can tell you right now do not remember, did not care. It is not what drew me back here. I was more concerned about who my neighbors were and what kind of people they were than anything about the mayor. I can understand the marketing arguement if you are talking about a city like Detroit, but not Livonia, Plymouth, Northville, Farmington.
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We don't need our seniors to move out in order for young families to move in. There are already PLENTY of homes on the market for young families to choose from.
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Renee Chesney
Oct 13 2007, 10:30 PM
Jimid
Oct 13 2007, 03:22 PM
Age will be a factor. I think Jack Kirksey's talents would better serve our city in another capacity other than Mayor if he still wants to contribute. Image means a lot to the 20-35 age group. Just the group we are trying to attract. I don't believe Jack Kirksey would project the kind of image it would take to woo younger folks to the city. I'm not questioning whether or not he can do the job, I am just looking at this from a marketing standpoint. And we need some marketing around here now, because Livonia can not live on it's reputation anymore.

That is great Jimid. How are you going to get the seniors out of their homes? I do not want my parents forced out of their home for a young familiy to move in and I certainly do not want to be forced out if I am not ready to go. Livonia has always been a community with more of senior group than a young group. Look at the census reports. People move here and want to stay. They want to stay with their kids who are raising their families. Age is a weak discrimination tool when you are talking about being qualified to run our city or to live in and contribute to this community?

Great, let's send the message that in Livonia we want our seniors out and only young families in? If you aren't married and planning on having kids, don't move here. I personally like the fact that my kids can walk to their grandparents house. They are significant part of their life and I can't imagine them not being around here. A single focus on bringing one group of people in here to move another out is just wrong.

I disagree on Jack being bad for marketing. Not many people look at who or what the mayor looks like when they move into a community. It is about the community itself. Ask me who was mayor or one the school board when I moved back to this community. I can tell you right now do not remember, did not care. It is not what drew me back here. I was more concerned about who my neighbors were and what kind of people they were than anything about the mayor. I can understand the marketing arguement if you are talking about a city like Detroit, but not Livonia, Plymouth, Northville, Farmington.

I would never want seniors to leave their homes. I actually plan on living in mine as long as many seniors have if I can. We have more than enough homes for sale right now. But the seniors you speak of built these homes, built these neighborhoods, and built this city. They will tell you that Livonia was not always a community with more of senior group than a young group. Look at the census reports. They want to stay close to their kids who are raising their families in Plymouth or Canton. Age is what you make it. My parents choose to make it enjoying time together, and with their grand children. They see no discrimination in that.

The seniors I know would love to see more children in our neighborhoods. They remember Halloweens with what seemed like thousands (and probably were) of children roaming our cities blocks. I would never leave Livonia if I were them. But if I wanted to move and stay in Livonia, what are my choices? I can sell my house, and move into one of the many condos that have been developed the past 10 years or so. What do I get if I do that? I get a tax bill four times than my house was. I get to move into a condo with more steps to walk up than I can handle. Where was the planning from the developers and city planners when that was allowed? Building condos that seniors can actually live in is what might keep them around.

The perception of what the Mayor is may make a difference. It may just take a fleeting glimpse on a commercial, or the city website, or a news story. Perception goes far beyond just these political campaigns. I think we have to treat this as a political campaign that will last for decades to bring younger families to Livonia. We need to ask our parents, and grandparents why they built this community in the first place. Ask them what was important when they were 20 to 35 years old. Everything old can be new again. It can be new when their children are allowed to grow up and take responsibility for our community.
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Oct 13 2007, 03:04 PM
Maureen was not even interested in the LI, her kids were in private school. Did she sign a recall petition? How exactly is she going to reach across Farmington Road and work with LPS when she doesn't have nor ever has had children in the public school system. Not that I am saying that those who choose parochial education for religious reasons are wrong, but she doesn't have a good understanding of the public school system. How will she work with LPS to make the system and our city strong for young families? How is she going to draw those families here for our schools when she doesn't even avail herself of the public school system? At least Jack was a teacher, administrator and his children attended public schools.

Hey Rancher, Former Gov. Engler had to reach across an entire state to work with the many districts in our state, and his triplet girls attended private school. He must not have a good understanding of the public school system either.
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Oct 13 2007, 11:25 PM
jolly rancher
Oct 13 2007, 03:04 PM
Maureen was not even interested in the LI, her kids were in private school. Did she sign a recall petition? How exactly is she going to reach across Farmington Road and work with  LPS when she doesn't have nor ever has had children in the public school system. Not that I am saying that those who choose parochial education for religious reasons are wrong, but she doesn't have a good understanding of the public school system. How will she work with LPS to make the system and our city strong for young families? How is she going to draw those families here for our schools when she doesn't even avail herself of the public school system? At least Jack was a teacher, administrator and his children attended public schools.

Hey Rancher, Former Gov. Engler had to reach across an entire state to work with the many districts in our state, and his triplet girls attended private school. He must not have a good understanding of the public school system either.

Part of my point in my post is this. Many on here are blaming Jack for his support of the LI and the work that he supposedly did on the school board election and the anti-recall campaign. So if he is to be judged on his opinion and assumed support of something then Maureen should be judged by the same standard. Since she does not have her children in the public schools nor does she seem to have an opinion regarding the configuration change she should be judged on that as part of her bid for Mayor. Jack is being judged on what some people here perceive as the truth so that is mine and others perception of the truth about Maureen. As for former Gov Engler, he did not enroll his triplets in the public schools in the Lansing area because he was a snob. He felt like he was just a cut above others and didn't want his children mingling to closely with the inner-city kids of Lansing. I am not saying that about Maureen, it is my belief that Maureen has her children at parochial schools for the religious aspect of the education that she can't get for them in the public schools. There is a difference.
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jolly rancher
Oct 14 2007, 08:58 AM
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Oct 13 2007, 11:25 PM
jolly rancher
Oct 13 2007, 03:04 PM
Maureen was not even interested in the LI, her kids were in private school. Did she sign a recall petition? How exactly is she going to reach across Farmington Road and work with  LPS when she doesn't have nor ever has had children in the public school system. Not that I am saying that those who choose parochial education for religious reasons are wrong, but she doesn't have a good understanding of the public school system. How will she work with LPS to make the system and our city strong for young families? How is she going to draw those families here for our schools when she doesn't even avail herself of the public school system? At least Jack was a teacher, administrator and his children attended public schools.

Hey Rancher, Former Gov. Engler had to reach across an entire state to work with the many districts in our state, and his triplet girls attended private school. He must not have a good understanding of the public school system either.

Part of my point in my post is this. Many on here are blaming Jack for his support of the LI and the work that he supposedly did on the school board election and the anti-recall campaign. So if he is to be judged on his opinion and assumed support of something then Maureen should be judged by the same standard. Since she does not have her children in the public schools nor does she seem to have an opinion regarding the configuration change she should be judged on that as part of her bid for Mayor. Jack is being judged on what some people here perceive as the truth so that is mine and others perception of the truth about Maureen. As for former Gov Engler, he did not enroll his triplets in the public schools in the Lansing area because he was a snob. He felt like he was just a cut above others and didn't want his children mingling to closely with the inner-city kids of Lansing. I am not saying that about Maureen, it is my belief that Maureen has her children at parochial schools for the religious aspect of the education that she can't get for them in the public schools. There is a difference.

Ms Brosnan had NO problem using the SHS football game as a platform to introduce herself. Looks like she is using a public school! Granted, she has every right to campaign, but that night was about the KIDS the GAME and the PARENTS.

Just because she can, doesn't mean she should.
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Kirksey had no problem sticking his nose in at Laurel Park for the high school musical. And wearing a Livonia Mayor shirt to boot. Note to Kirksey, you are not mayor anymore in case you forgot.
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Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!
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I was at that game, and I never saw Maureen Brosnan. Not saying she wasn't, I just never saw her.
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Oct 14 2007, 10:06 AM
I was at that game, and I never saw Maureen Brosnan. Not saying she wasn't, I just never saw her.

She was at the entrance to the area where they sell tickets. She was introducing herself to everyone, passing out stickers.

I just find it ironic that there was an issue with Jack being at Laural Park Mall a PUBLIC place yet when the "other candidate" does the same thing at a school function ON SCHOOL PROPERTY. it's ok.

Interesting.................. and enabling behavior.
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Oct 14 2007, 09:53 AM
Did she grab a microphone and start campaigning in front of the crowd? No!

Did her presence detract from the KIDS, the GAME, and the PARENTS? No!

I have no problem ignoring stuff like that where it does not belong. Turn the other cheek, cnc! I think most people do. Much like ignoring Jack at HSM at Laurel Park. He didn't belong there in a Livonia Mayor shirt!

She very much was campaigning in front of a crowd. Passing out stickers, telling people that she would appreciate their vote for her. Yep, sounds like campaigning to me ON SCHOOL property.

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