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Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2007, 09:14 AM (6,969 Views)
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Oct 12 2007, 09:57 AM
o.k. I clicked on the 'kirksey' link that you provided.  That link went to a website called "Strategic Public Affairs", and Kirksey is listed on the left as one of their consultants.  Click on his name and it goes nowhere..... his name just disappears.

There is no bio there........ what did you mean to show us?

The facts are of interest.  Documented information from his past......? ;)

Interesting that the site for Strategic Public Affairs has 'strategically' removed Jack Kirksey from its web site. :ph43r: Funny... not too long ago, Jack used to be displayed on the web site between Vice President Lisa Nocerini and Consultant Gerald H. Law. Now... POOF! He's gone.....

except of course when someone checks the web site cache. ;)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H4byu...consultants.asp

They say timing is everything. :P
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Renee Chesney
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Oct 12 2007, 11:04 AM
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Oct 12 2007, 09:57 AM
o.k. I clicked on the 'kirksey' link that you provided.  That link went to a website called "Strategic Public Affairs", and Kirksey is listed on the left as one of their consultants.  Click on his name and it goes nowhere..... his name just disappears.

There is no bio there........ what did you mean to show us?

The facts are of interest.  Documented information from his past......? ;)

Interesting that the site for Strategic Public Affairs has 'strategically' removed Jack Kirksey from its web site. :ph43r: Funny... not too long ago, Jack used to be displayed on the web site between Vice President Lisa Nocerini and Consultant Gerald H. Law. Now... POOF! He's gone.....

except of course when someone checks the web site cache. ;)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H4byu...consultants.asp

They say timing is everything. :P

Do you think that maybe he doesn't work there anymore because he is busy running for mayor? He could be on leave of absence, quit, etc. Not a big deal.
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From the Political Graveyard:

Geake, R. Robert (b. 1936) — of Northville, Wayne County, Mich. Born in Detroit, Wayne County, Mich., October 26, 1936. Republican. Educational psychologist; candidate for Michigan state board of education, 1970; member of Michigan state house of representatives 35th District, 1973-77; defeated in primary, 1964; resigned 1977; member of Michigan state senate, 1977-98 (14th District 1977-82, 6th District 1983-94, 9th District 1995-98); candidate for U.S. Representative from Michigan 13th District, 1992. Presbyterian. Member, Rotary. Still living as of 1998.
Geake, Robert See R. Robert Geake


Kirksey

If you look at Jack's bio, it shows that Jack began his representative service in 1977 when Geake resigned.  As well as when Jack began his service with LPS.  I think we can all do the math.  Jack was elected to serve the remainder of Geake's term and elected to three two year terms which were fully served.  The only resigning going on was by Geake.

This "proves" absolutely nothing. Quite frankly, I don't care whether he's a democrat or a republican. The man has no integrity, never has, never will.

The one who has no integrity is Bennett. He is still crying "boo hoo hoo they closed bryant, they closed bentley." I am a republican, no I am a democrat. I can't run for mayor so I am going to have Maureen be my puppet and I don't care who I was friends with, it is all about making sure my candidate wins."
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Oct 12 2007, 11:59 AM
yrraH NS
Oct 12 2007, 11:04 AM
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Oct 12 2007, 09:57 AM
o.k. I clicked on the 'kirksey' link that you provided.  That link went to a website called "Strategic Public Affairs", and Kirksey is listed on the left as one of their consultants.  Click on his name and it goes nowhere..... his name just disappears.

There is no bio there........ what did you mean to show us?

The facts are of interest.  Documented information from his past......? ;)

Interesting that the site for Strategic Public Affairs has 'strategically' removed Jack Kirksey from its web site. :ph43r: Funny... not too long ago, Jack used to be displayed on the web site between Vice President Lisa Nocerini and Consultant Gerald H. Law. Now... POOF! He's gone.....

except of course when someone checks the web site cache. ;)

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:H4byu...consultants.asp

They say timing is everything. :P

Do you think that maybe he doesn't work there anymore because he is busy running for mayor? He could be on leave of absence, quit, etc. Not a big deal.

That is strange.

According to the website Mr. Kirksey is a "Highly Valued" consultant for this firm.

Maybe he quit? :huh: Do candidates normally quit their positions (in his case Consulting) when they are running for political office? Don't they normally quit AFTER the election has been secured? I wonder if this means he's no longer consulting for LPS too.
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Oct 12 2007, 12:01 PM
The one who has no integrity is Bennett. He is still crying "boo hoo hoo they closed bryant, they closed bentley." I am a republican, no I am a democrat. I can't run for mayor so I am going to have Maureen be my puppet and I don't care who I was friends with, it is all about making sure my candidate wins."

Why are you attacking the integrity of Mr. Bennett? Why jump off-topic like that?

Mr. Bennett is not running in this election so why even bring him up?

I think an apology is inorder.
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I think there are a lot of apologies in order. This forum is supposed to be a discussion. The immaturity of some posters with their laughing icons show total disrespect for others opinions. Name calling....Sheeple etc is pointless and harmful to discussions. Many of the people do not appear to be willing to even acknowledge that someone may have a different opinion than they do. I enjoy reading the different views on here and think there are many good points brought up However it is inexcusable the way people treat each other on here. Those people should be ashamed. Grow up and be a positive role model!
Why is it that whatever some people post is treated as fact and then when other things are posted the person is asked to come up with proof and evidence even thought the first poster didn't have proof or evidence.
I am neither a democrat nor a republican and I think that these days there are many politicians that hold views that could be either. I research the candidates running in any election and based on their priorities and views on what I consider to be important to my values I vote for them.
This is America...Thank God we have the freedom to choose!
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Kirksey has stabbed Bennett in the back on numerous occasions during the course of their "friendship," probably the most blatant being when Kirksey decided to run against Bennett for mayor 20 years ago. Kirksey has no concept of the word "friendship"--only the concept of "what can this person do for me?"

You're right, Bennett was a republican for years. Then along came the extreme conservatives that have taken control of the party in the more recent past, and as I understand it, he decided he could no longer align himself with that party, (not trying to start another topic here, just stating the facts.) That being said, he has NEVER worn his party affiliation on his sleeve, nor has he ever used it for political gain.

I don't know if you could say that "Bennett has it out for" Kirksey. I think it's more of a matter of enough is enough.
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Kirksey has stabbed Bennett in the back on numerous occasions during the course of their "friendship," probably the most blatant being when Kirksey decided to run against Bennett for mayor 20 years ago. Kirksey has no concept of the word "friendship"--only the concept of "what can this person do for me?"

You're right, Bennett was a republican for years. Then along came the extreme conservatives that have taken control of the party in the more recent past, and as I understand it, he decided he could no longer align himself with that party, (not trying to start another topic here, just stating the facts.) That being said, he has NEVER worn his party affiliation on his sleeve, nor has he ever used it for political gain.

I don't know if you could say that "Bennett has it out for" Kirksey. I think it's more of a matter of enough is enough.

What planet are you on that it is okay to accuse Kirksey of flip flopping between parties (a lie) and then when it is proven that Bennett is the one that does it, it is okay?

Wow. I think the word I am looking for is hypocrite. Reformer I am sure you can help me with that one.
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.
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Oct 12 2007, 02:13 PM
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Oct 12 2007, 02:07 PM
Kirksey has stabbed Bennett in the back on numerous occasions during the course of their "friendship," probably the most blatant being when Kirksey decided to run against Bennett for mayor 20 years ago.  Kirksey has no concept of the word "friendship"--only the concept of "what can this person do for me?"

You're right, Bennett was a republican for years.  Then along came the extreme conservatives that have taken control of the party in the more recent past, and as I understand it, he decided he could no longer align himself with that party, (not trying to start another topic here, just stating the facts.)  That being said, he has NEVER worn his party affiliation on his sleeve, nor has he ever used it for political gain.

I don't know if you could say that "Bennett has it out for" Kirksey.  I think it's more of a matter of enough is enough.

What planet are you on that it is okay to accuse Kirksey of flip flopping between parties (a lie) and then when it is proven that Bennett is the one that does it, it is okay?

Wow. I think the word I am looking for is hypocrite. Reformer I am sure you can help me with that one.

Where's the proof? :blink:
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I can see things will be interesting around here until the election is over. Good thing I got a new batch of blood pressure pills :lol:.

Some times we just take this all to seriously. I can't think of one forum I have ever read that didn't get a little ugly at times. Just check out what goes on the newspaper forums. I don't let it bug me anymore, and only get involved in a few short exchanges. This is what I do.....

1.) I laugh a LOT at all the silly posts, and mindless bickering. It is far more entertaining than turning on the TV.

2.) I pay attention to the people that include links to facts and material. And we do get plenty of that. They are the most credible posters. I take everything else with a grain of salt.

3.) Most of you are not stupid, and you can see through the politics that get flung around. If people do not post a link, or source material to their facts, just consider the post opinion.

4.) You could walk out your front door and get hit and killed by a blue piece of ice that fell off an airplane :huh: :lol: . Life is too short, take it easy :rolleyes:
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Oct 12 2007, 02:25 PM
Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

Bennett is pulling the puppet strings.
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.
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You guys are really obsessed with Quicken. If Jesus was the Mayor of Livonia and asked them to stay, they wouldn't. They wont pass up all the freebies they will get in the Rennaissance Zone.
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.

I have spent time with Mr. Bennett and have NEVER heard him trash talk about anyone. He has much more class than that from what I have seen. Where did you get your information? I think it may be pure speculation just based on the fact that Mr. Bennett has been seen talking to the "terrorists" that opposed the LI. At any rate, it doesn't appear to be his style at all.
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Oct 12 2007, 08:02 PM
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.

No one is denying the fact that Maureen is a democrat. She is. She's not running as a democrat in the mayor's race. Yep, she accepted a donation from her friend's pac who happens to be governor. Don't tell me Kirksey would have turned down money from Engler.

That's not even the point here. The only reason Kirksey's party affiliation was brought up was to illustrate that he "becomes" whatever is necessary to win. Won't get elected in the election as a democrat? No problem, I will switch parties. There is no sincerity or integrity in a move like that. People switch party affiiliations all the time. The difference is, they don't usually make the switch over night. It usually happens after much thought and reassessment of what's important to you. You don't switch parties just to win an election.

Give me one good example of Mr. Bennett trash talking ANYONE. That's not how he does things. He signed on to help Brosnan BEFORE Kirksey even decided to run. Was he supposed to drop that committment to help Jack? There would have been no integrity in a move like that.
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Another interesting thing. I have seen letter after letter in the Observer, and I bet more this Sunday, from Kirksey supporters who continually link Brosnan to Granholm. It's the first thing I hear from them when I speak to them. I have yet to read one about Kirksey's Republican Party affiliations. Not saying there hasn't been one, I just have not seen it. The only thing remotely touching on it was the infamous mailer. It's very apparent to me that the Kirksey camp is the one that started to bring the partison politics into play.
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.

I have spent time with Mr. Bennett and have NEVER heard him trash talk about anyone. He has much more class than that from what I have seen. Where did you get your information? I think it may be pure speculation just based on the fact that Mr. Bennett has been seen talking to the "terrorists" that opposed the LI. At any rate, it doesn't appear to be his style at all.

You are legends in your own minds :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just because you have never seen or heard someone do something doesn't mean they haven't done it.
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Oct 12 2007, 08:58 PM
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Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.

I have spent time with Mr. Bennett and have NEVER heard him trash talk about anyone. He has much more class than that from what I have seen. Where did you get your information? I think it may be pure speculation just based on the fact that Mr. Bennett has been seen talking to the "terrorists" that opposed the LI. At any rate, it doesn't appear to be his style at all.

You are legends in your own minds :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just because you have never seen or heard someone do something doesn't mean they haven't done it.

Agreed, just as someone saying it doesn't make it true. Have you seen him "trash talk?"
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Oct 12 2007, 08:58 PM
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Oct 12 2007, 02:25 PM
Again, why are you scrutinizing Bennett? He is not running for public office.

I don't understand how you are contributing to this topic with references to a man that was Mayor 10-15 years ago.

Perhaps you'd like to start up a NEW TOPIC about the party affiliations of Jesse Ziegler, Elbert M. Hartom, William W. Brashear, Harvey W. Moelke, Edward H. McNamara, and Robert McCann.

He may not be running for Mayor, but he is trash talking and helping the other candidate, who by the way is not, cannot and never will be a non-partisan Mayor if elected, since JG's PAC gave Brosnan $10k. If Maureen were to go to Quicken and say stay in Livonia we need the jobs, they would call up Jenny and Jenny would be on the phone to Maureen so fast it would make your head spin. She would be reminding her of the $10k plus the $250 the first gentleman gave from his own pocket, and that would be the end of that. Don't even try to pretend that she is non-partisan.

The others that you name, are not contributing to the opponents campaign in time, money or trash talk. That is the reason former Mayor Bennett's political affiliation was brought up in the first place.

I have spent time with Mr. Bennett and have NEVER heard him trash talk about anyone. He has much more class than that from what I have seen. Where did you get your information? I think it may be pure speculation just based on the fact that Mr. Bennett has been seen talking to the "terrorists" that opposed the LI. At any rate, it doesn't appear to be his style at all.

You are legends in your own minds :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just because you have never seen or heard someone do something doesn't mean they haven't done it.

Agreed, just as someone saying it doesn't make it true. Have you seen him "trash talk?"

Took the words right outta my mouth, Vanna. Jolly, have you EVER heard Mr. Bennett trash talk anyone? Do you know something we don't? Can you give us a quote? Let me fill you in on a lttle something -- even if he were to see the crap you have written about him on here (which he hasn't), he would still not trash talk even you. Too bad I can't say the same thinig....
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