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Jack Kirksey was a Democrat; Do people really know the truth?
Topic Started: Oct 10 2007, 09:14 AM (6,964 Views)
IlikeLIvonia
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- 1972 - Livonia was part of a Congressional redistricting. It was a political power move to force Livonia to fall under the jurisdiction of the Republican controlled majority in Congress and the State Legislature.

- 1977 - Carl Pursell was a Republican member of the Michigan State Senate who resigned his State Senate position after winning the election to the US House of Representatives and began serving on Jan 3, 1977.

- 1977 - Robert Geake was a Republican member of the Michigan State House of Representatives who resigned his position at this time to assume the position vacated by Carl Pursell.

- 1977 - Special election held to fill the seat vacated by Robert Geake in the Michigan State House of Represenatives.

- Then a Democrat Jack Kirksey consulted with Republican Robert Geake on what it would take to win that seat in the special election. The former seat holder told Kirksey that he must become a Republican and instructed him on exactly what to say and do to win the seat as a Republican

- Kirksey switches parties from Democratic to Republican, follows Geakes instructions, and gets elected to the Michigan State House of Representatives as a Republican.

- During his elected terms Kirksey never committed to any position on the Pro-Choice / Pro-Life debate, never did anything of record as an elected official, and cemented ties to large lobbying organizations (Lobbying Firm ) to secure lucrative employment beyond elected office.

- Also at this same time many of the known political families in Livonia switched alliances from the Democratic to Republican. This would include the McCann's, the Toy's, and many more. All doing so to go along with the political party in Congressional and State control of the District, not for any other reason. They all still hold this deep rooted political partisan fellowship and quest for continued control of everything political in Livonia.

- Before his 2nd term was due to expire Kirksey resigned his elected office due to a Supreme Court desision that limited his pension benefits from the LPS School District. He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension, so he dumped his elected position and the promises he made to his constiuents and went back to work at LPS for the sole purpose of $$$$.


So how does a former Democrat who never committed to any Pro-Choice / Pro-Life position, and failed his constituents while in elected office, opting for money instead of service to the people, end up becoming a pro-life republican who makes every attempt to appear that he is seeking office to serve the people?

It is very apparent that he serves only himself and those who play his partisan games. He does not seek any office, position, or employment if it does not have a direct gain on greed for power and his greed for money. Plain and simple, Jack Kirksey has been a fake, a fraud, and nothing but a political player for his own benefit for many years as you can see.

Electing this man to any further politcal offices would be a cruel joke played on all of us, that is, unless you were one of his partisan players.

Our great city does not desrve an old man who would jump political party affiliations, shirk his elected duties, abandon his constituents, make power and money grabs, and decieve the public, all for his own benefit, sitting in the most imporatant office in our community at this time, we need honest, ethical, and reliable leadership today.
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Renee Chesney
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Welcome to America. Thank God this a country where people are allowed to change their mind, you grow with what you learn, freedom of choice. Isn't it grand. FYI - still voting for Jack. Land of Free and home of the Brave.
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You mean land of the greedy and self serving doncha sheeple?
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Wow! That's all I can say!

I did a little bit of research to look into these things and it's all true. tsk, tsk, tsk, and to think that some peole actually thought they respected that man.



mmmmkay?
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IlikeLIvonia
Oct 10 2007, 08:14 AM
- 1972 - Livonia was part of a Congressional redistricting. It was a political power move to force Livonia to fall under the jurisdiction of the Republican controlled majority in Congress and the State Legislature.

- 1977 - Carl Pursell was a Republican member of the Michigan State Senate who resigned his State Senate position after winning the election to the US House of Representatives and began serving on Jan 3, 1977.

- 1977 - Robert Geake was a Republican member of the Michigan State House of Representatives who resigned his position at this time to assume the position vacated by Carl Pursell.

- 1977 - Special election held to fill the seat vacated by Robert Geake in the Michigan State House of Represenatives.

- Then a Democrat Jack Kirksey consulted with Republican Robert Geake on what it would take to win that seat in the special election. The former seat holder told Kirksey that he must become a Republican and instructed him on exactly what to say and do to win the seat as a Republican

- Kirksey switches parties from Democratic to Republican, follows Geakes instructions, and gets elected to the Michigan State House of Representatives as a Republican.

- During his elected terms Kirksey never committed to any position on the Pro-Choice / Pro-Life debate, never did anything of record as an elected official, and cemented ties to large lobbying organizations (Lobbying Firm ) to secure lucrative employment beyond elected office.

- Also at this same time many of the known political families in Livonia switched alliances from the Democratic to Republican. This would include the McCann's, the Toy's, and many more. All doing so to go along with the political party in Congressional and State control of the District, not for any other reason. They all still hold this deep rooted political partisan fellowship and quest for continued control of everything political in Livonia.

- Before his 2nd term was due to expire Kirksey resigned his elected office due to a Supreme Court desision that limited his pension benefits from the LPS School District. He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension, so he dumped his elected position and the promises he made to his constiuents and went back to work at LPS for the sole purpose of $$$$.


So how does a former Democrat who never committed to any Pro-Choice / Pro-Life position, and failed his constituents while in elected office, opting for money instead of service to the people, end up becoming a pro-life republican who makes every attempt to appear that he is seeking office to serve the people?

It is very apparent that he serves only himself and those who play his partisan games. He does not seek any office, position, or employment if it does not have a direct gain on greed for power and his greed for money. Plain and simple, Jack Kirksey has been a fake, a fraud, and nothing but a political player for his own benefit for many years as you can see.

Electing this man to any further politcal offices would be a cruel joke played on all of us, that is, unless you were one of his partisan players.

Our great city does not desrve an old man who would jump political party affiliations, shirk his elected duties, abandon his constituents, make power and money grabs, and decieve the public, all for his own benefit, sitting in the most imporatant office in our community at this time, we need honest, ethical, and reliable leadership today.

Hmm? I thought this was a non partisan election.

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Don't think there's any such thing as a non-partisan election any more.

Forgetting the specifics of which party is which, can any Jack supporters provide a reason I shouldn't believe he switched parties for political expediency as it appears, rather than beliefs or convictions?

What's the alternative explanation for why he resigned without fulfilling his term?
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Jack is not the first and certainly not the last politician to change parties. Fortunately, we are allowed to change our minds in America. I don't vote a straight party ticket, never have. I vote for the candidate and one time I might vote for a candidate and the next time they are running, I might not vote for them depending on their job performance or stance on issues that are important to me. Freedom of Choice.
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Oct 10 2007, 02:37 PM
Jack is not the first and certainly not the last politician to change parties. Fortunately, we are allowed to change our minds in America. I don't vote a straight party ticket, never have. I vote for the candidate and one time I might vote for a candidate and the next time they are running, I might not vote for them depending on their job performance or stance on issues that are important to me. Freedom of Choice.

Absolutely! Personally, I like to look at both the candidate's stand on issues of relevance to the office AND their character. That why I will be voting for Maureen Brosnan.
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Oct 10 2007, 02:36 PM
Don't think there's any such thing as a non-partisan election any more.

Forgetting the specifics of which party is which, can any Jack supporters provide a reason I shouldn't believe he switched parties for political expediency as it appears, rather than beliefs or convictions?

What's the alternative explanation for why he resigned without fulfilling his term?

Assuming what was posted is true, if your planned retirement was in jeopardy by a court ruling, it could warrant resigning. The decisions I make now to make sure I have a retirement are important. As things change I must make adjustments so that I can retire comfortably.
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Me too Vanna! I will be voting for Maureen and my husband also. Had a phone call today about supporting her and I said put us down for 2 votes!! :D
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He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom?

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!
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Oct 10 2007, 03:05 PM
He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom?

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!

Well first of all, do you know how much money Jack makes per month on his pensions? Second of all, he served in the military (putting his life on the line for the citizens of this country), worked for the public school system educating the community's children, then went into politics (another form of public service), then consulted. Seems to me he paid his dues and did not become independently wealthy. Don't tell me that Jack Kirksey has billed this community for every single thing he has done for it. While you may not vote for Jack, do not degrade anyone who has served their country in the military and gave back to their community. It makes you sound ungrateful. So when he has WORKED his entire life, he is entitled to the benefits it comes with. Unlike individuals who live off of their family member(s).........
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Oct 10 2007, 09:04 PM
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Oct 10 2007, 03:05 PM
He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom? 

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!

Well first of all, do you know how much money Jack makes per month on his pensions? Second of all, he served in the military (putting his life on the line for the citizens of this country), worked for the public school system educating the community's children, then went into politics (another form of public service), then consulted. Seems to me he paid his dues and did not become independently wealthy. Don't tell me that Jack Kirksey has billed this community for every single thing he has done for it. While you may not vote for Jack, do not degrade anyone who has served their country in the military and gave back to their community. It makes you sound ungrateful. So when he has WORKED his entire life, he is entitled to the benefits it comes with. Unlike individuals who live off of their family member(s).........

Good one Renee Beeny. Kind of like the way you and your kind treated Joe Laura, another distinguised veteren?
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Oct 10 2007, 04:23 PM
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Oct 10 2007, 09:04 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Oct 10 2007, 03:05 PM
He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom? 

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!

Well first of all, do you know how much money Jack makes per month on his pensions? Second of all, he served in the military (putting his life on the line for the citizens of this country), worked for the public school system educating the community's children, then went into politics (another form of public service), then consulted. Seems to me he paid his dues and did not become independently wealthy. Don't tell me that Jack Kirksey has billed this community for every single thing he has done for it. While you may not vote for Jack, do not degrade anyone who has served their country in the military and gave back to their community. It makes you sound ungrateful. So when he has WORKED his entire life, he is entitled to the benefits it comes with. Unlike individuals who live off of their family member(s).........

Good one Renee Beeny. Kind of like the way you and your kind treated Joe Laura, another distinguised veteren?

Did I? While I don't personally care to vote for Joe Laura, I treated him with respect and graciously accepted his information without degrading him when he came to my house handing out his information. But I don't think I did to Joe Laura what is being done to Jack Kirksey on this blog.
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Renee, as stated, it wasn't about losing any benefits, but rather "He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension".

If you want to be taken at all seriously, it would help if you actually addressed the question at hand instead of fabricating a straw man interpretation and attacking it.

Do you have an alternative explanation for his resignation? I'm generally skeptical of claims like the OP made that sound pretty extreme, but I'd still like to hear what the answer is to some of the claims made.
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Oct 10 2007, 05:20 PM
Renee, as stated, it wasn't about losing any benefits, but rather "He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension".

If you want to be taken at all seriously, it would help if you actually addressed the question at hand instead of fabricating a straw man interpretation and attacking it.

Do you have an alternative explanation for his resignation? I'm generally skeptical of claims like the OP made that sound pretty extreme, but I'd still like to hear what the answer is to some of the claims made.

I am only basing my statements upon what is on here. I didn't rush right out and call Jack to affirm or deny anything in the first post. Although I will ask him the next time I see him so at this time I cannot offer an alternative explanation for you, but if I do receive one I'll be happy to share it with you. Does that answer your question without fabricating a straw man interpetation and attacking it?
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Renee Chesney
Oct 10 2007, 04:04 PM
IlikeLIvonia
Oct 10 2007, 03:05 PM
He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom? 

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!

Well first of all, do you know how much money Jack makes per month on his pensions? Second of all, he served in the military (putting his life on the line for the citizens of this country), worked for the public school system educating the community's children, then went into politics (another form of public service), then consulted. Seems to me he paid his dues and did not become independently wealthy. Don't tell me that Jack Kirksey has billed this community for every single thing he has done for it. While you may not vote for Jack, do not degrade anyone who has served their country in the military and gave back to their community. It makes you sound ungrateful. So when he has WORKED his entire life, he is entitled to the benefits it comes with. Unlike individuals who live off of their family member(s).........

Wow, sounds like you're a closet, Joe Laura supporter. ;)
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Renee Chesney
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Oct 10 2007, 06:12 PM
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IlikeLIvonia
Oct 10 2007, 03:05 PM
He already had full pensions and benefits from his years in the service, as well as full pensions and benefits from his Mayoral service, and was consulting and contracting for Lansing lobbyists and the School District. How much money do you need? Especially when it is from the school system and being taken directly out of the classroom? 

No shame, No Morals, No Values, None at All!

Well first of all, do you know how much money Jack makes per month on his pensions? Second of all, he served in the military (putting his life on the line for the citizens of this country), worked for the public school system educating the community's children, then went into politics (another form of public service), then consulted. Seems to me he paid his dues and did not become independently wealthy. Don't tell me that Jack Kirksey has billed this community for every single thing he has done for it. While you may not vote for Jack, do not degrade anyone who has served their country in the military and gave back to their community. It makes you sound ungrateful. So when he has WORKED his entire life, he is entitled to the benefits it comes with. Unlike individuals who live off of their family member(s).........

Wow, sounds like you're a closet, Joe Laura supporter. ;)

Quit acting like an imbecile.
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Oct 10 2007, 08:14 AM
- 1972 - Livonia was part of a Congressional redistricting. It was a political power move to force Livonia to fall under the jurisdiction of the Republican controlled majority in Congress and the State Legislature.

- 1977 - Carl Pursell was a Republican member of the Michigan State Senate who resigned his State Senate position after winning the election to the US House of Representatives and began serving on Jan 3, 1977.

- 1977 - Robert Geake was a Republican member of the Michigan State House of Representatives who resigned his position at this time to assume the position vacated by Carl Pursell.

- 1977 - Special election held to fill the seat vacated by Robert Geake in the Michigan State House of Represenatives.

- Then a Democrat Jack Kirksey consulted with Republican Robert Geake on what it would take to win that seat in the special election. The former seat holder told Kirksey that he must become a Republican and instructed him on exactly what to say and do to win the seat as a Republican

- Kirksey switches parties from Democratic to Republican, follows Geakes instructions, and gets elected to the Michigan State House of Representatives as a Republican.

- During his elected terms Kirksey never committed to any position on the Pro-Choice / Pro-Life debate, never did anything of record as an elected official, and cemented ties to large lobbying organizations (Lobbying Firm ) to secure lucrative employment beyond elected office.

- Also at this same time many of the known political families in Livonia switched alliances from the Democratic to Republican. This would include the McCann's, the Toy's, and many more. All doing so to go along with the political party in Congressional and State control of the District, not for any other reason. They all still hold this deep rooted political partisan fellowship and quest for continued control of everything political in Livonia.

- Before his 2nd term was due to expire Kirksey resigned his elected office due to a Supreme Court desision that limited his pension benefits from the LPS School District. He was not eligibale to add the years he was on "Leave of Absence" while serving in the Michigan State House to his LPS Pension, so he dumped his elected position and the promises he made to his constiuents and went back to work at LPS for the sole purpose of $$$$.


So how does a former Democrat who never committed to any Pro-Choice / Pro-Life position, and failed his constituents while in elected office, opting for money instead of service to the people, end up becoming a pro-life republican who makes every attempt to appear that he is seeking office to serve the people?

It is very apparent that he serves only himself and those who play his partisan games. He does not seek any office, position, or employment if it does not have a direct gain on greed for power and his greed for money. Plain and simple, Jack Kirksey has been a fake, a fraud, and nothing but a political player for his own benefit for many years as you can see.

Electing this man to any further politcal offices would be a cruel joke played on all of us, that is, unless you were one of his partisan players.

Our great city does not desrve an old man who would jump political party affiliations, shirk his elected duties, abandon his constituents, make power and money grabs, and decieve the public, all for his own benefit, sitting in the most imporatant office in our community at this time, we need honest, ethical, and reliable leadership today.

WOW! Wouldn't it be nice if the O&E printed all of this.... and let the entire community know more about Kirksey's past.

ILIkeLivonia, can you add your sources for all of this information? It looks like the supporters are immediately going to defend all of his actions.......again.
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Maybe some questions relating to this will be asked at tonights candidate forum. :D
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