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why didn't fritz springmeier mention the italian illuminati bloodlines?; and alex jones didn't mention in springmeier interview
Topic Started: Apr 1 2012, 11:18 AM (10,292 Views)
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Apr 6 2012, 02:26 AM
btw.. as stated there is much on the vatican and jesuits at the site i gave.. http://www.one-evil.org.. or something like that.. i found some new info.. which was the genesis of the popes.. i didnt know before the 500 AD.. and how they said they had existed forever and you know the rest im sure all of you in here.. but on that website i found the histories, and timelines very interesting.. wish i could remember them without looking them up.. and a lecture on one of the 71 talkshoe site.. is about their histories.. but you guys found much data.. to add.. thanx.. ah ho WIO


That is a super interesting site. You'd mentioned the site in a thread but my head was still stuck on UCC codes (which I'm still trying to figure out what a UCC code is.)

I don't even know who Fritz Springmeier is except to hear mention of him now and then. You guys talk about a lot of people and I am so unacquainted and I'm not good for much except taking notes and getting acquainted by your narratives. I've figured out now (I think) that Gujardeff (spelling?) was a music composer into music theory and it may be deeper than that but that's where I'm at now. I don't have the knowledge you have of many writers, people, and subjects and thus I'm left out of the loop in many ways except to take notes and see what I can make of it until more comes along.

The same with David Icke for many years. I had no idea who he was except to hear mention of him at Godlike productions here and there but I didn't know who he was or what he was about. My acquaintance with the reptilian subject came directly from you and from a man who went by ReptilianWatch at glp and who was also very knowledgeable. I finally ventured over to the Icke forum and have learned much more about him.

When I was 12 my mother told me about a book she'd read about a snake race on Mars and something about that we used to live on that planet (if it's the same book and my memory is serving me). I did have some prior knowledge of that concept.



Necra, I don't doubt a bit that that happened. That site I linked had something to do with what I was researching (the Italian illuminati... maybe pope innocent iii) but I encountered a problem. The text on the page was so small that it was real difficult for me to read and so I used the ctrl + (plus) to make the text bigger but then it overlapped and I still couldn't read. I had to take it all the way back down to the tiny fonts. So, I read what snippets I did but didn't bother to read much more it was too difficult. There were areas on the page that had what you posted too (pretty basically). I would like to say though that the Prophet Muhammed promoted freeing slaves because it was already prevalent. I think he bought a few people out of slavery. When reading that though I couldn't help but think about what an ugly evil world it is and how so unlike what it's all about as to be oxymoronic. Just the thing about the guy who gave a pope a thousand slaves and the pope passed them around as gifts, and nuns and priests having slaves.

It is just mind blowing! I'd like to read the whole thing though. It's supposed to lead to modern day slavery. I might even find what I was looking for in the first place and be able to put it in context. :book:
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Apr 4 2012, 08:54 AM
Excellent research, yass. That particular pic of Miley Cyrus has always bothered me, too, and I also felt it was something to do with her eyes. The left side is traditionally associated with Satan, although I think that is baloney, but if the Satanists believe it then they will act based on that belief. She is looking hard to the left.

This reminds me of the "mummy" pics of Jessica Simpson, in which her left eye is made up to resemble the eye of Horus, while her right eye is made up more normally and has the sun shining on it. To "them," the left side represents darkness, and right side represents light? One of the sad things about this is that Simpson may not even realize the symbolism involved and how she was used.

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Designed to resemble the eye of a falcon, this symbol is called the Eye of Ra or Eye of Horus represents the right eye of the Egyptian Falcon God Horus. As the udjat (or utchat), it represented the sun, and was associated with the Sun God Ra (Re). The mirror image, or left eye, represented the moon, and the God Tehuti (Thoth). (A very similar concept of the sun and moon as eyes appears in many religious traditions, such as the Celtic tale of the hand of Nuada.)

According to legend, the left eye was torn from Horus by his murderous brother Seth, and magically restored by Thoth, the God of magick. After the restoration, some stories state, Horus made a gift of the eye to Osiris, which allowed this solar deity to rule the underworld. The story of this injury is probably an allusion to the phases of the moon as the eye which is “torn out” every month.

Together, the eyes represent the whole of the universe, a concept similar to that of the Taoist Yin-yang symbol. Spiritually, the right eye reflects solar, masculine energy, as well as reason and mathematics. The left eye reflects fluid, feminine, lunar energy, and rules intuition and magick. Together, they represent the combined,transcendent power of Horus.

The Eye of Horus was believed to have healing and protective power, and it was used as a protective amulet, and as a medical measuring device, using the mathematical proportions of the eye to determine the proportions of ingredients in medical preparations) to prepare medications.

The Masonic all seeing eye, the Eye of Providence symbol found on American money, and our modern Rx pharmaceutical symbol are all descended from the Eye of Horus.

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thanks for the info.
Looks like I gotta parlare con il capo.

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Apr 6 2012, 12:19 PM
yass
Apr 6 2012, 01:59 AM
This came up in my searches. It's interesting. Here's an excerpt:

Jews and the Early Slave Trade

The city of Rome, down the 16th century, patronized the enslavement of humans. Naturally, the rest of Italy followed the example of the metropolis of Christianity. The popes issued edicts of enslavement against whole towns and provinces. Boniface VIII issued one against the retainers of Colonna; Clement V against the Venetians (1294–1348); Sixtus against the Florentines (1375–1378); Julius against the Bolognes and Venetians; and the laws obligated anyone who could succeed in capturing any of the condemned people to enslave them. The examples of Rome encouraged the whole of Italy, especially Venice, to carry on a brisk foreign trade, especially in the enslavement of females.23

The Turks' conquest failed to affect the Iberian Peninsula and slaves densely populated parts of Spain. Catalonia-Aragon and Majorca, by the 13th century, possessed African bondsmen. Their numbers increased significantly by the end of the 14th century. The exchange occurred both ways, for the Genoese provided the Saracen traders with ships and enslaved Christians. Significant trading existed.

Bondsmen formed a significant portion of Tuscany's population. Even nuns, priests and shopkeepers in Florence commonly owned enslaved people. The church occasionally denounced the sale of Christians, but the merchants disregarded all attempts at regulation. Thus, during the late Middle Ages, flourishing societies of enslaved humans existed alongside the main routes of commerce from Russia and Egypt/Kemet to Venice and the south of France.

The military success of the Ottoman Turks encouraged the revival of human enslavement. Standard accounts assert that at least 50,000 people were sold into enslavement after the fall of Constantinople.24 But the Turks eventually sealed off slave markets of the Black Sea, and Florence's trade all but disappeared from the Mediterranean basin. As the Turks gradually extinguished the trade of Genoese and Venetian merchants (Christian and Jewish), Portuguese navigators nosed along the coast of Africa.

Throughout the Middle Ages and in 1501, after the fall of Capua, merchants sold enslaved women in Rome. A century and a quarter before that date, Pope Gregory XXI excommunicated the Florentines and ordered them enslaved wherever taken. In 1488, King Ferdinand, the Catholic, sent a gift of 100 enslaved Moors to Pope Innocent VIII. The pope distributed them to cardinals and church notables.

http://www.blacksandjews.com/CharsheeMcIntyreJews%26Slavery.html

well, since off topic is the order of the day, this came up in my searches

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimslavery.htm

THE SCOURGE OF MUSLIM SLAVERY


THE REST OF THE STORY



Over 28 Million Africans have been enslaved in the Muslim world during the past 14 centuries


While much has been written concerning the Transatlantic slave trade, surprisingly little attention has been given to the Islamic slave trade across the Sahara, the Red Sea and the Indian Ocean. While the European involvement in the Transatlantic slave trade to the Americas lasted for just over three centuries, the Arab involvement in the slave trade has lasted fourteen centuries, and in some parts of the Muslim world is still continuing to this day.


CONTRASTS IN CAPTIVITY



A comparison of the Muslim slave trade to the American slave trade reveals some interesting contrasts. While two out of every three slaves shipped across the Atlantic were men, the proportions were reversed in the Muslim slave trade. Two women for every man were enslaved by the Muslims.


While the mortality rate for slaves being transported across the Atlantic was as high as 10%, the percentage of slaves dying in transit in the Transsahara and East African slave trade was between 80 and 90%!


While almost all the slaves shipped across the Atlantic were for agricultural work, most of the slaves destined for the Muslim Middle East were for sexual exploitation as concubines, in harems, and for military service.


While many children were born to slaves in the Americas, and millions of their descendants are citizens in Brazil and the USA to this day, very few descendants of the slaves that ended up in the Middle East survive.


While most slaves who went to the Americas could marry and have families, most of the male slaves destined for the Middle East were castrated, and most of the children born to the women were killed at birth.


It is estimated that possibly as many as 11 million Africans were transported across the Atlantic (95% of which went to South and Central America, mainly to Portuguese, Spanish and French possessions. Only 5% of the slaves went to the United States).



Slaves in Africa - in the early 20th century.


However, at least 28 million Africans were enslaved in the Muslim Middle East. As at least 80% of those captured by Muslim slave traders were calculated to have died before reaching the slave markets, it is believed that the death toll from the 14 centuries of Muslim slave raids into Africa could have been over 112 million. When added to the number of those sold in the slave markets, the total number of African victims of the Transsaharan and East African slave trade could be significantly higher than 140 million people.


However, with the birth of Islam came a rebirth of the slave trade. As Ronald Segal in "Islam's Black Slaves" documents: "When Islam conquered the Persian Sassanid Empire and much of the Byzantine Empire, including Syria and Egypt, in the 7th Century, it acquired immense quantities of gold stripping churches and monasteries either directly or by taxes, payable in gold, imposed on the clergy and looting gold from tombs the state encouraged the search and sanctioned the seizure, in return for a fifth of the finds."


Segal notes: "Female slaves were required in considerable numbers for musicians, singers and dancers many more were bought for domestic workers and many were in demand as concubines. The harems of rulers could be enormous. The harem of Abdal Rahman III (912 - 961) in Cordoba contained over 6,000 concubines! And the one in the Fatimid Palace in Cairo had twice as many."

An Arab slave raid in East Africa 1888.



The death toll from 14 centuries of the Muslim slave trade in Africa is estimated at over 112 million.


Islam's Black Slaves also reveals that the castration of male slaves was common place. "The Caliph in Baghdad at the beginning of the 10th Century had 7,000 black eunuchs and 4,000 white eunuchs in his palace." It was noted that there were widespread "homosexual relations" as well. Islam's Black Slaves notes that Islamic teachers throughout the centuries consistently defended slavery: "For there must be masters and slaves." Others noted that blacks "lack self-control and steadiness of mind and they are overcome by fickleness, foolishness and ignorance. Such are the blacks who live in the extremity of the land of Ethiopia, the Nubians, Zanj and the like."


Ibn Khaldun (1332 - 1406) the preeminent Muslim medieval historian and social thinker wrote: "The Negro nations are as a rule submissive to slavery because they have attributes that are quite similar to dumb animals."


By the Middle Ages, the Arab word "abd" was in general use to denote a black slave while the word "mamluk" referred to a white slave. Even as late as the 19th Century, it was noted that in Mecca "there are few families that do not keep slaves they all keep mistresses in common with their lawful wives." It was noted that black slaves were castrated "based on the assumption that the blacks had an ungovernable sexual appetite."


When the Fatimids came to power they slaughtered all the tens of thousands of black military slaves and raised an entirely new slave army. Some of these slaves were conscripted into the army at age ten. From Persia to Egypt to Morocco, slave armies from 30,000 to up to 250,000 became commonplace.


Even Ronald Segal, who is most sympathetic to Islam and clearly prejudiced against Christianity, admits that well over 30 million black Africans would have died at the hands of Muslim slave traders or ended up in Muslim slavery.


A dhow, the favorite slave carrying vessel of Arab slave traders.



Arab traders beat their cargo into submission on the run from the African coast to Zanzibar.


The Muslim slave trade took place across the Sahara Desert, from the coast of the Red Sea, and from East Africa across the Indian Ocean. The Transsahara trade was conducted along six major slave routes. Just in the 19th Century, for which we have more accurate records, 1.2 million slaves were brought across the Sahara into the Middle East, 450,000 down the Red Sea and 442,000 from East African coastal ports. That is a total of 2 million black slaves - just in the 1800's. At least 8 million more were calculated to have died before reaching the Muslim slave markets.


Islam's Black Slaves records: "In the 1570's, a Frenchman visiting Egypt found many thousands of blacks on sale in Cairo on market days. In 1665 Father Antonios Gonzalis, a Spanish/Belgian traveler, reported 800 - 1,000 slaves on sale in the Cairo market on a single day. In 1796, a British traveler reported a caravan of 5,000 slaves departing from Darfur. In 1838, it was estimated that 10,000 to 12,000 slaves were arriving in Cairo each year." Just in the Arabic plantations off the East Coast of Africa, on the islands of Zanzibar and Pemba, there were 769,000 black slaves.



The slave market in Zanzibar sold an average of 300 slaves every day.


In the 19th Century, the East African black slave trade included 347,000 slaves shipped to Arabia, Persia and India; 95,000 slaves were shipped to the Arab plantations in the Mascareme Islands.


Segal notes "The high death rate and low birth rate among black slaves in the Middle East and the astonishingly low birth rate amongst black slave women" in North Africa and the Middle East. "Muslim civilization lagged increasingly behind the West in protecting public health. The arithmetic of the Muslim black slave trade must also not ignore the lives of those men, women and children taken or lost during the procurement, storage and transport the sale of a single captive for slavery might represent a loss of ten in the population from defenders killed in attacks on villages, the deaths of women and children from related famine and the loss of children, the old and the sick, unable to keep up with their captors or killed along the way in hostile encounters, or dying of sheer misery."


One British explorer encountered over 100 human skeletons from a slave caravan en route for Tripoli.


The explorer, Heinrich Barth, recorded that a slave caravan lost 40 slaves in the course of a single night at Benghazi.


The British explorer, Richard Lander, came across a group of 30 slaves in West Africa, all of them stricken with smallpox, all bound neck to neck with twisted strips of bullock hide.


One caravan with 3,000 proceeding from the coast in East Africa, lost two thirds of its number from starvation, disease and murder.


In the Nubian desert, one slave caravan of 2,000 slaves literally vanished as every slave died.
It's total hypocrisy how 'Christians' try to make slavery worse in other places then here.When it is well known that the worst slavery with its lynchings,raping,killing,separation of families etc.was right here in the good U.Sof A.Please read Howard Zinn book on the true history of this country.I can't think of the name of the book but just google the name Howard Zinn.Also another good book on the history of this damn country is 'Bury my heart ar Wounded Knee' least we forget the genocide of the Native peoples.
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EXCELLENT RESEARCH U GALS AND NECRA>> I SUGGEST U WRITE A BOOK ABOUT THE ITALIAN BLOODLINERS>> i dont know of one out there.. it would add greatly to our knowledge ...i also have been researching the BORGESE FAMILY. and some of the artwork.. in their palaces.. not only that.. but my recent reading of the bio of RUBINSTEIN had some interesting tidbits about the ROTHSCHILDS IN VENICE.... ah ho WIO
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