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| Robby | Apr 12 2011, 01:18 AM Post #6 |
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Wow robin what you have described is awesome.......you felt the release from your controllers.....your post lead me to think of what Don Juan once descrbed in his teachings......! Quote: Castaneda's Don Juan tells us: ... We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don't do so [act independently ...] You have arrived, by your effort alone, to what the shamans of ancient Mexico called the topic of topics. I have been beating around the bush all this time, insinuating to you that something is holding us prisoner. Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico. 'Why has this predator taken over in the fashion that you're describing, don Juan?' I asked. 'There must be a logical explanation.' 'There is an explanation,' don Juan replied, 'which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.' I felt that my head was shaking violently from side to side. I could not express my profound sense of unease and discontentment, but my body moved to bring it to the surface. I shook from head to toe without any volition on my part. 'No, no, no, no,' I heard myself saying. 'This is absurd, don Juan. What you're saying is something monstrous. It simply can't be true, for sorcerers or for average men, or for anyone.' 'Why not?' don Juan asked calmly. 'Why not? Because it infuriates you?' 'Yes, it infuriates me,' I retorted. 'Those claims are monstrous!' [...] 'I want to appeal to your analytical mind,' don Juan said. 'Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.' 'But how can they do this, don Juan?' I asked, somehow angered further by what he was saying. 'Do they whisper all that in our ears while we are asleep?' 'No, they don't do it that way. That's idiotic!' don Juan said, smiling. 'They are infinitely more efficient and organized than that. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver - stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.' Don Juan continues: 'I know that even though you have never suffered hunger... you have food anxiety, which is none other than the anxiety of the predator who fears that any moment now its maneuver is going to be uncovered and food is going to be denied. Through the mind, which, after all, is their mind, the predators inject into the lives of human beings whatever is convenient for them. And they ensure, in this manner, a degree of security to act as a buffer against their fear.' [Castaneda, The Active Side of Infinity, 1998, pp. 213-220] Yes, there is an aspect to our minds within us all, called the predator's mind by don Juan, called the Personality in the esoteric Christian Tradition. It is only by developing a higher ability of thought, one that is the result of overcoming the limits of our lower intellect and emotion and automatic reactions that one can overcome this "predator," the chatter, the source of our fears and suffering. Going further into the idea of the predator's mind, we could say that what we really mean is the whole gamut of "automatic programs" and "learned behaviours" and "knee jerk responses" that we are all heir to as a consequence of our upbringing, social pressures, trying to please others in order to survive, and so on. This, in no way, refers to some kind of "possession". The ways and means that we ensure survival of the ego is established pretty early in life by our parental and societal programming. This conditioning determines what IS or is NOT possible; what we are "allowed" to believe in order to be accepted. We learn this first by learning what pleases our parents and then later we modify our belief based on what pleases our society - our peers - to believe. One of the first things we might observe is that everyone has a different set of beliefs about themselves based upon their social and familial conditioning, and that these beliefs determine how much of the OBJECTIVE reality anyone is able to access. Human beings - faced with unpleasant truths about themselves or their reality - react like alcoholics who refuse to admit their condition, or the cuckolded husband who is the "last to know," or the wife who does not notice that her husband is abusing her daughter. :D |
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| yass | Apr 12 2011, 02:41 AM Post #7 |
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robby, what an excellent excerpt. |
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| Robby | Apr 12 2011, 03:13 AM Post #8 |
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Hi Yass, Thank you......not too sure whether Robin realizes that if she continued and go thru she would have crossed over into 4D STO - which is what most us are trying to achieve, and thru all my studies one of the way of reaching 4D STO is to stop eating as one is no longer concerned about STS (SERVE THY SELF) Freaken Awesome Robin :D |
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| yass | Apr 12 2011, 04:50 AM Post #9 |
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I knew a lady who died from not eating, robby. Her mate told me she laid on the couch for two weeks languishing, wouldn't eat, then she died. She wasn't very old either, maybe around 30ish. Honestly, do you think STO would be not eating until you die, leaving behind widow and orphan's, just because it makes you feel good, and because you want this (alleged) 'status' of becoming a service-to-others ascended soul? It sounds more like service-to-self in the third degree! Edited by yass, Apr 12 2011, 08:31 AM.
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| Robby | Apr 12 2011, 08:43 AM Post #10 |
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Hi Yass, You are absolutely correct in your statement.......Point taken.......question....(need to paint a clearer picture as this is her mates side of the story)....she on a couch for two weeks languishing (had to check up on the word Languishing) in other words suffering and then she dies! How does suffering make one feel good? I can understand that one does want to die because one cannot handle the system shutting down. I personally cannot see anyone who is suffering to turn their attention and focus on the status of what might be gained.....does not make sense to me, I would think that would be the last thing on one's mind. As for leaving behind a widow and orphan's.....as cold as this may feel.....their self-pity is the hidden manifestation of the STS frequencies......therefore would not have the feeling of understanding, but then again one must ask how does one go about in a marriage when one of the partners is lost in the illusion of the system we live in? :D |
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