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How do you arrange your deck?
I choose beforehand and write it down somewhere. 3 (50%)
I choose beforehand and remember. 1 (16.7%)
I make it up as I go along. 1 (16.7%)
I have an idea of what to play, but it's fluid. 1 (16.7%)
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When battling....; I'm curious.
Topic Started: May 29 2016, 06:13 PM (373 Views)
Apatosaurus
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I've been curious about this basically since I joined. As I ref DG vs SD, I noticed DG mention that this "Isn't the best deck [he'd] assembled" and it made me wonder how other people prepare for battles.

Personally, I'm the last option- I keep a general idea in mind of what I want to do, but generally leave about a third of my deck empty, and fill it as the battle progresses in order to respond to my opponent's cards.
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DarkGricer
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I'm pretty sure you're supposed to make your deck beforehand. That way you have to really think about how you make your deck.

To be fair, the rules say nothing about it, so if you ARE supposed to make them beforehand, that should DEFINITELY be added to the rules.
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You are supposed to, and while not in the rules it has been unambiguously stated before.
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I remember writing down the perfect team, and what to do if somebody plays what card, contingencies down to the very last detail. Pretty sure I used it to good effect against IN. Sadly now that half my cards've gone bye bye, I have to use less than adequate sets.
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Apatosaurus
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I just don't understand why it'd need to be a rule to have a set deck going in. I understand for things like Flocking or Herding you need to know how many are in said flock or herd, but I dont think it's necessary to know every card you're going to use going in. For instance, if I'm going to fight SD, I have a general idea of what I'd use. We're roughly on the same level (though he's admittedly higher, I think he's the closest to me) and yet if he drops an Amphicoelias Fragillumus on my head, I'm going to use a lot of my higher level cards. If I had "set" my deck and not been prepared for Amphi, I'd be screwed.
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Apatosaurus,May 30 2016
09:11 AM
I just don't understand why it'd need to be a rule to have a set deck going in. I understand for things like Flocking or Herding you need to know how many are in said flock or herd, but I dont think it's necessary to know every card you're going to use going in. For instance, if I'm going to fight SD, I have a general idea of what I'd use. We're roughly on the same level (though he's admittedly higher, I think he's the closest to me) and yet if he drops an Amphicoelias Fragillumus on my head, I'm going to use a lot of my higher level cards. If I had "set" my deck and not been prepared for Amphi, I'd be screwed.

That would be your problem. To avoid such a situation, all you'd have to do is either ban cards like Amphicoelias from being used in the battle, or making sure you're prepared to face off against the stuff you know your opponent could very well throw at you. It is your job as a battler to make sure you can actually take on the person you chose to fight. If you can't... then, well...

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Apatosaurus,May 30 2016
06:11 AM
I just don't understand why it'd need to be a rule to have a set deck going in. I understand for things like Flocking or Herding you need to know how many are in said flock or herd, but I dont think it's necessary to know every card you're going to use going in. For instance, if I'm going to fight SD, I have a general idea of what I'd use. We're roughly on the same level (though he's admittedly higher, I think he's the closest to me) and yet if he drops an Amphicoelias Fragillumus on my head, I'm going to use a lot of my higher level cards. If I had "set" my deck and not been prepared for Amphi, I'd be screwed.

"I didn't expect you to have a Tyranitar, hold on while I run home and rifle through my cards to get a Fighting type" -No TCG ever

EDIT: To be more precise, adapting your cards to suit your needs is just straight up cheating honestly.
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Apatosaurus
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Clockwork,May 30 2016
10:40 AM
Apatosaurus,May 30 2016
06:11 AM
I just don't understand why it'd need to be a rule to have a set deck going in. I understand for things like Flocking or Herding you need to know how many are in said flock or herd, but I dont think it's necessary to know every card you're going to use going in. For instance, if I'm going to fight SD, I have a general idea of what I'd use. We're roughly on the same level (though he's admittedly higher, I think he's the closest to me) and yet if he drops an Amphicoelias Fragillumus on my head, I'm going to use a lot of my higher level cards. If I had "set" my deck and not been prepared for Amphi, I'd be screwed.

"I didn't expect you to have a Tyranitar, hold on while I run home and rifle through my cards to get a Fighting type" -No TCG ever

EDIT: To be more precise, adapting your cards to suit your needs is just straight up cheating honestly.

THIS POST MAY BE READ IN TWO WAYS-- AS ME BEING ANGRY OR ME BEING CURIOUS. and I'm just curious, so please don't read in an angry voice :D

I dont see how you can make that claim. How is it cheating for me to play a card that I own? How can it be cheating for me to apply strategical use to cards that I have won or bought? This isn't pokemon, where you have a team with you, and even then you can use your PC to prepare to face certain trainers such as gym leaders or the Elite Four. I feel like if it were made into a rule itd be extremely difficult to regulate and enforce, and would detract from the value of the site by taking away a large part of the strategy.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm willy-nilly throwing down cards that act as counters to my opponents. As I said in my original post, I tend to know roughly 2/3rds of what cards I'm going to use in a fight. But by not having a totally concrete deck, I'm able to battle more fluidly and better respond to the changes thrown at me by my opponents.
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Apatosaurus,May 30 2016
12:36 PM
Clockwork,May 30 2016
10:40 AM
Apatosaurus,May 30 2016
06:11 AM
I just don't understand why it'd need to be a rule to have a set deck going in. I understand for things like Flocking or Herding you need to know how many are in said flock or herd, but I dont think it's necessary to know every card you're going to use going in. For instance, if I'm going to fight SD, I have a general idea of what I'd use. We're roughly on the same level (though he's admittedly higher, I think he's the closest to me) and yet if he drops an Amphicoelias Fragillumus on my head, I'm going to use a lot of my higher level cards. If I had "set" my deck and not been prepared for Amphi, I'd be screwed.

"I didn't expect you to have a Tyranitar, hold on while I run home and rifle through my cards to get a Fighting type" -No TCG ever

EDIT: To be more precise, adapting your cards to suit your needs is just straight up cheating honestly.

THIS POST MAY BE READ IN TWO WAYS-- AS ME BEING ANGRY OR ME BEING CURIOUS. and I'm just curious, so please don't read in an angry voice :D

I dont see how you can make that claim. How is it cheating for me to play a card that I own? How can it be cheating for me to apply strategical use to cards that I have won or bought? This isn't pokemon, where you have a team with you, and even then you can use your PC to prepare to face certain trainers such as gym leaders or the Elite Four. I feel like if it were made into a rule itd be extremely difficult to regulate and enforce, and would detract from the value of the site by taking away a large part of the strategy.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm willy-nilly throwing down cards that act as counters to my opponents. As I said in my original post, I tend to know roughly 2/3rds of what cards I'm going to use in a fight. But by not having a totally concrete deck, I'm able to battle more fluidly and better respond to the changes thrown at me by my opponents.

Clockwork wasn't referring to the Pokemon games. He was referring to the TCG.

You can certainly prepare for what your opponent is going to bring. Simply think about what their most threatening cards are and what cards they have shown an affinity to in the past. This will allow you to prepare for the things you opponent is likely to bring.

For example, say I challenged Clocky to a battle in the prehistoric section.:

Clockwork has an affinity for bringing Epic cards and ND's to such a battle. So what should do I bring? Cards like Futalognkosaurus can hit ND's on the switch. Huaxiaosaurus can deal significant to the tougher cards in a single turn. Saurophaganax can bypass the abilities of many NDs, ect..

Once I have all the cards I think I'll need to take care of the most noteworthy threats, I can focus on putting other cards in my deck. Perhaps I've devised a clever strategy that involves a couple cards, or maybe I would like to include some cards that have attributes that'll help me cover my weaknesses, or maybe I just wish to power my way through his deck (Not that that's likely to work against Clockwork. :P). It's really not hard to counter your opponent.

By having it so that you decide your deck before battles, it enforces thinking. If you forgot to account for your opponent's biggest threat, too bad, so sad. You should have put more thought into what you decided to bring. Having several placeholder spots in your deck allows you to counter dang near anything. Did your opponent just execute a brilliant, unexpected strategy that had never even crossed your mind? Well good thing you can just grab that one card you have that completely shuts down their strategy, even though you would never bring that card into battle otherwise because it's pretty much useless against everything else.
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Apatosaurus
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ummm, I don't know what TCG is....

But how could it be considered cheating for me to pull out that one card and play it? I own it, and so it is my right to play it. If their strategy wasn't prepared for that...

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Do you kinda see where I'm coming from at least?
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Using my own avatar against me. Hao disgracefur.

On its own, that's not really cheating. What IS cheating is being able to manually adjust your deck to suit your needs. If anything destroys strategy, THAT does. If your deck is set, then you can't just pull a card out of thin air to save you from any situation. You have to think more about what you're going to do, and what you have to do if your opponent does *insert action here*.

Having 5 cards or more cards that you can jut pick on the spot removes that. If your opponent does something, then you can adapt to it pretty much no matter what. There's no point in making a strategy if your opponent pulls out whatever card they need, whenever they need it to counter it. You'd be better off using a deck that consists solely of powerhouse cards that just smash everything. Sure, they might be countered as well, but they will leave a trail of immediate destruction.

And I think we can all agree that yelling "Meander" 16 turns in a row doesn't make for the most exciting battle.

(As for what TCG means, it stands for Trading Card Game.)

(And no, I don't really see where you're coming from. To me, it seems rather obvious that being able to make up our deck as you go along, even if it's only a third of your deck, is an unfair advantage.)

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We call the cards you own your "deck", and we call the cards you bring into battle your "hand". But really that's just our personal etymology, because we don't have a typical TCG ruleset where you have to draw cards. For all intents and purposes, your "hand" is your deck, and your "deck" is all the cards you keep stashed in binders back at home. It is absolutely not fair play to have a set deck beforehand, and then when someone plays a card you can't beat because you have no counter for it in your deck, quietly add a card that can counter it with no problem. Essentially think of it as having cards up your sleeve when playing poker.

And yes, playing a card that your opponent can't counter with their deck is fair, because it is a card that your opponent should be aware that you have, and their choice to not include a counter in their deck is entirely theirs.
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I think other guys have hit on all the point already, but to give my own piece; there is NO TCG/card game I know of that just lets you pick out and use "any card you own" in the middle of a match. You ALWAYS pre-select a set of cards you own, usually called a deck, which you are limited to using for that match. In CBs case though, we've switched the terms around. Our usage of the term "deck" is "all the cards you own". What we call your "hand" is our equivalent to what most other games call your deck, which is "the cards you have pre-selected to use".

Besides that, it is EXTREMELY cheaty to just pull out cards from your deck(CB term) as needed to fight someone who actually IS following the rules and has made a hand of cards for the battle. They're stuck with the cards they already picked, you're free to pull out whatever you need to counter them. Honestly, I've caught people in the past -and you might have been one of them- just making it up as they went while I was following the rules, and it really peeved me off. I recall feeling like I couldn't stress it enough and get it through to people that you need to pick your cards before the battle.

"Why not just let both people pull cards from their decks, and then no one has an advantage?" you might ask? Because that kills at least half of the mind games and strategy of the game. When you build a hand, you have a limited number of slots, and you need to choose carefully what to fill them with. "What will my opponent use?" "What will I need to counter them?" "Do I want to use this card that's powerful but situational, or this one that's a bit weaker but reliable?" "Do I want to focus on a specific strategy, or do I want to have flexibility in case I need to adapt?" You have to pick what you want to use and stick with it. It makes you think before the battle, and it makes you think during the battle because you can't just pull the perfect counter out of your astral hammer-space.

I think DG basically said the same, but I explained it in a clearly more glorious and detailed fashion. :P

EDIT: And Clocky posted too while I was posting, but I AM STILL THE MOST GLORIOUS!
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It's also extremely cheaty to just pull out a card from your deck (non-CB term) anyway, but our "hand" is closer to an actual hand while an actual deck is a concept that doesn't really exist in CB.
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Isn't the hand (In CB terms) the cards you bring into battle minus the cards you have on the field and destroyed cards?

At least, that's what I always thought it was.
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