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2016 Presidential/General Election
Topic Started: Jul 13 2016, 10:38 PM (1,495 Views)
Aexnidaral Seymour
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Generic thread for discussion of the 2016 election, especially for questions about/comments on the prognostication maps.
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Thoughts on Bernie's official endorsement of Clinton?
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I think it is less about supporting Hillary and more about being pragmatic with the knowledge that it is better to see her there than Trump.
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Brunhilde
Jul 15 2016, 01:31 AM
I think it is less about supporting Hillary and more about being pragmatic with the knowledge that it is better to see her there than Trump.
I would re-elect Dubya over Trump.

And I really REALLY disliked Dubya. (*yes, I know term limits mean that's not possible but ... in a hypothetical)
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Jul 15 2016, 01:31 AM
I think it is less about supporting Hillary and more about being pragmatic with the knowledge that it is better to see her there than Trump.
Unfortunately, this is an election where I fear it's picking the lesser of two evils.

I recommend (a) shortening the primary season to one month, followed by one month of actual campaigning (what a waste of governance time to have huge chunks of time tied up by campaigning!) and (b) having "none of the above" be a possibility, with single transferable vote.
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Aexnidaral Seymour
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The argument that "this" or any other election is one between the lesser of two evils is silly.

An election is always about the lesser of evils. You don't agree with a candidate 100% of the time on 100% of issues. Even when you're the candidate running for office, yourself.

It doesn't matter if we had 90 parties, between 90 candidates. It'd still be between "the candidate you comparatively agree with most, who is the least bad."
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Brunhilde
Jul 15 2016, 01:31 AM
I think it is less about supporting Hillary and more about being pragmatic with the knowledge that it is better to see her there than Trump.
I disagree. Sanders gave a full throated endorsement of Clinton. Clinton and Sanders aren't really that far ideologically apart, she's not the neoliberal people on the far left like to crow she is. A lot of her progressive positions and the Party's were influenced by Sanders... which is exactly what is supposed to happen in a primary election.

Sanders is smarter than his supporters on Reddit are: the only way our progressive agenda gets pushed is if Clinton wins and extends her infrastructural coattails to legislative Candidates-- if we retake the Senate, Sanders will have enormous influence over budget and various committees.
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No offence, Seymour, but I think that a lot of Sanders supports see Hillary in a far different light than you. In fact, half of polled voters view Hillary far differently than you. I don't think that Sanders, after having preached about going against big business and the establishment, gave near what can be considered a "full throated" endorsement.
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If anything, Bernie supporters see Hillary Clinton more like....Tony Blair.
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Slightly related, but Hillary is getting in on the Pokemon Go craze with her upcoming campaign events/voter registration drive in Ohio.
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I saw a poll yesterday that showed Hillary with a 67% unfavorable rating and Trump with 62%. Can't believe we've nominated two people who are so unlikable.
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Jul 14 2016, 12:59 PM
Thoughts on Bernie's official endorsement of Clinton?
I was there.
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Third party candidates do more harm to their ideals rather than further their policy goals. Advance a cause from within the system, yo.
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