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Exellence in Governance
Topic Started: Feb 20 2015, 04:01 AM (297 Views)
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Sorry, forgot something.

In comparison, you've held similar positions for 350 days. Even if we include your time as an Associate Justice, with terms of 120 days, you only make it to 710 days. 450 fewer days working with law.
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Yup, because senate and executive expeirnce equals judicial prowess. That assertion from brun is not at all a fallacy. It's also super relevent to his behavior in the confirmation thread and the point of this article.
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You're right, Noto. Extensive experience in the Executive and the Senate do not equal judicial prowess. They equal familiarity with the law and an understanding thereof, which goes on to equal the same judicial prowess that you are talking about. I may be mistaken, but the definition of fallacy is "a mistaken belief, especially one based on unsound argument." I don't know about you, Noto, but I see extensive experience working with legislation and around legislation as enough proof to back up my claims of CSP's judicial prowess. If anything, I see your argument with its lack of proof or any definable substance as a fallacy.


Furthermore, I was referencing a single thing that you said which brought up questions about CSP's ability to be a judge. No where did I mention or reference your argument about his behavior in the thread.
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Brunhilde errs when she equates familiarity to specific (but easily learnt at Europeian level) skills. Brunhilde should have made more of a point of his experience as Attorney General. Furthermore, Brunhilde's comments here:

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Extensive experience in the Executive and the Senate do not equal judicial prowess. They equal familiarity with the law and an understanding thereof, which goes on to equal the same judicial prowess that you are talking about.


is logically invalid. Let:
E = Extensive experience in the Executive and the Senate
J = Judical prowess
F = Familarity with the law
U = Understanding of the law

!=Negation
V=Disjunction
&=Conjunction

Premise 1:
"Extensive experience in the Executive and the Senate do not equal judicial prowess."
E -> !J

Argument 2:
E->(F&U) Premise a
(F&U)->J Premise b
E->J Conclusion of argument 2

Therefore, logically, Brunhilde's argument is invalid.
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Brunhilde errs when she equates familiarity to specific (but easily learnt at Europeian level) skills. Brunhilde should have made more of a point of his experience as Attorney General. Furthermore, Brunhilde's comments here:

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Extensive experience in the Executive and the Senate do not equal judicial prowess. They equal familiarity with the law and an understanding thereof, which goes on to equal the same judicial prowess that you are talking about.


I won't touch the second part of this. Nope.

I should have clarified my statement. CSP's extensive experience in the positions I reference create a familiarity with the law and the legislative process, thus contributing to a mind that can be considered to be judicially sound in any opinion it makes. I merely did not express it well.
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Can you think of a case where someone can be familiar with the law and the legislative process, yet not function adequately as a Justice? Pez and other early Justices come to mind. Familiarity is operational here in Europeia and the legislative process does not give (many) special insights in how to apply rules to controversies. You may, Brunhilde, argue that it is necessary but you cannot argue that it is sufficient. Your argument, through counterexample, is invalid.
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