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November Senate Election Coverage; Panel Discussion and Analysis
Topic Started: Nov 14 2014, 10:59 PM (428 Views)
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The panel's talk continues with the same subject:
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[21:43] <Mousebumples> and i think at some point, you need to give newcomers the chance to determine for themselves if they will sink or swim
[21:43] <Notolecta> With older members it's usually an outside factor, with newer members it could just be that they were elected to soon.
[21:43] <Mousebumples> why?
[21:44] <Mousebumples> that makes no sense
[21:44] <RZM> Newcomer itself is a very fluid term. When does someone stop being "new"?
[21:44] <Kraketopia> ^
[21:44] <Mousebumples> elected too soon, so you don't know how to type yet?
[21:44] <Notolecta> Additionally older members might come back, new members usually don't
[21:44] <Mousebumples> you can't figure out how to hit the reply button?
[21:44] <Notolecta> mouse it's not all about posting
[21:44] <Mousebumples> i know i've never been in the senate - and that's because i know that it doesn't match with my skill set - but new senators don't need to be proposing new legislation
[21:44] <Notolecta> Contribution is about quality not just quantity.
[21:44] <Mousebumples> they need to be able to critically evaluate legislation proposed by other senators
[21:45] <Mousebumples> and i don't see why the input or opinions of newcomers are inherently bad to the point that they shouldn't even bother trying to win a senate seat
[21:45] * RZM sneaks Calvin some cookies for dutifully scribing the panel's conversation for public consumption
[21:45] <Mousebumples> they need to be able to ask questions of the president's nominees - which, again, is not super challenging
[21:45] <Mousebumples> if we had a requirement that each senator must proposal a piece of legislation per term, i could see an issue - but that's not a rule
[21:45] <Notolecta> I'm not saying their input is bad, but being in the senate is also not the only way to have input.
[21:46] * CalvinCoolidge eats the cookies.
[21:46] <Mousebumples> yes, but if you're a senator, i would think the other senators would give your opinion more credence
[21:46] <Mousebumples> not that all votes in the senate are unaninmous, but there's a definite effort towards collaboration in euro
[21:46] <Mousebumples> newcomers have different opinions and approaches - ones that may be discounted or minimalized by some more experienced europeians at many times
[21:47] <Mousebumples> however, that doesn't make their opinions inherently bad or unworthy of being expressed in the senate chambers
[21:47] <Notolecta> Some of the opinions you mention aren't discounted without reason.
[21:47] <Mousebumples> i'm not saying _you_ don't have reasons for why you discount opinons
[21:47] <Mousebumples> however, i don't think debate - even if it's a debate that euro had 2 years ago - is a bad thing
[21:48] <Mousebumples> the makeup of europeia changes, her needs change, and redebating these topics is a good thing
[21:48] <CalvinCoolidge> Dang straight. Let's get ourselves an economy. :D
[21:48] <Notolecta> No, but sometimes it's pointless to rehash the same debate every 6 months.
[21:48] <Mousebumples> i got that suggestion from one newcomer in a PM earlier this week
[21:49] <Mousebumples> and that attitude makes newcomers - in the CITIZENS ASSEMBLY, which is made for newcomers, btw - feel like their opinions aren't worth even talking about
[21:49] <Mousebumples> yes, we may have discussed it 6 months ago, but they weren't here 6 months ago
[21:49] <Mousebumples> the recency should make it easier to recap the reasons why X is not right for us now, but that doesn't mean that we should shut them down without a discussion
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Roughly eight hours into the election, things are still too close to call.

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 16
Kraketopia - 16
Drecq - 12
Anumia - 11
Notolecta- 10
Angelus - 8
Shin - 8

Honorable Mentions:
Sopo - 7
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With five hours left in the election things are getting very interesting, with a much closer race than anticipated.

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 22
Kraketopia - 20
Drecq - 16
Anumia - 13
Notolecta- 13
Angelus - 13
Sopo - 12

Honorable Mentions:
Shin - 11

At this time, the EBC would like to make its first prediction, that Writinglegend will return to the Senate. He's been leading the pack this whole time, and it would seem he's now pulled enough away to guarantee himself a seat. The other seats are still very open, with the number of votes likely remaining. Especially the bottom four, separated by only a vote.

The panel discusses the votes and what they mean for the election:
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<Mousebumples> WL still in first, with 22 votes
<Mousebumples> kraken second with 20
<Mousebumples> drecq in third with 16
<Mousebumples> and then, this is where it starts to get interesting
<Mousebumples> we have 3 candidates with 13 votes - noto, anumia, and angelus
<Mousebumples> sopo has 12, which would win him the seventh seat
<Mousebumples> shin as 11, which would be just out of the senate
<Mousebumples> (SD: 8, pie: 5, apple: 3)
<Mousebumples> i think WL is probably save at this point - he has 11 more votes than the candidate who is placing 8th right now, and i don't know that there are enough votes out there to change that
<Mousebumples> kraken is also probably safe, but with the one or two votes that a lot of voters have been using, i'd probably prefer to see a few more votes come in before i call anything
<Mousebumples> drecq is also probably safe, but the same goes
<Mousebumples> however, with the way things are going, i could see noto, anumia, or angelus possibly being overtaken by sopo and shin
<Mousebumples> interesting since noto and anumia both started strongly this election and haven't been getting as many votes as of late
<Notolecta> All but one of the people you just named will make it though.
<Notolecta> Which one depends.
<Mousebumples> well, of course - largely probably dependent on who still has yet to vote
<Notolecta> It also depends on if it goes to a run-off.
<Mousebumples> yup
<Mousebumples> right now, none would be necessary, but who knows what's in store for the future
<Notolecta> In 5 way for 4 seats between that group to be honest I think shin falls through.
<Mousebumples> yeah, i could see that - however, he could get enough votes to not be subject to a run off
<Mousebumples> not sure who's all left to vote
<Mousebumples> we'll see, i suppose
<Notolecta> Of course.
<Notolecta> He also might be able to win some 1 on 1 run-offs depending on who against.
<Notolecta> I was more saying he probably suffers from a multi-candidate run-off.
<Mousebumples> ah, gotcha
<Mousebumples> i thought you were talking about in case of a 5-way-tie
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The panel talks about the close race, and the possibility of a runoff:
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[10:00] <CalvinCoolidge> So, it looks like the bottom four seats are still wide open. Pretty interesting stuff.
[10:02] <PhDre> Yes, I think that it's curious that so many 'established' members are flirting with being the odd one out of the Senate
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[10:03] <CalvinCoolidge> EBC has just predicted WL is returning to the Senate, with a huge number of votes. Any surprises that he is so far ahead?
[10:05] <Kraketopia> Not really, he's been a good Senator, and he's still new. Newer Senators tend to have high surges of votes.
[10:09] <PhDre> There is a tendency to reward newer Senators when they meet or exceed expectations. I think that's what we're seeing here
[10:11] <CalvinCoolidge> All right. So, does anything think we are looking at a runoff, with the votes being so close?
[10:13] <Kraketopia> It's hard to say, really.
[10:14] <CalvinCoolidge> I would say voters like elections, but I'm not so sure they would like them enough to go to a runoff. Voters might not cast their votes to create a tie.
[10:15] <CalvinCoolidge> They might cast them for the more safe candidates, or maybe for only some the contested seats.
[10:15] <CalvinCoolidge> *some of the
[10:15] <Kraketopia> We'll see. I'm not sure that people hate elections to the point of not voting for somebody they want to see in office.
[10:15] <Kraketopia> Also, some people love elections, so you could argue that somebody will vote to create a runoff.
[10:16] <CalvinCoolidge> That's true, I suppose.
[10:18] <PhDre> I see it other way around - there are a lot of people who like seeing runoffs and might 'throw' their vote in favor of one.
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With three and a half hours to go, the bottom four seats are still wide open.

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 23
Kraketopia - 21
Drecq - 17
Notolecta- 14
Angelus - 14
Anumia - 13
Sopo - 13

Honorable Mentions:
Shin - 12

The EBC would now like to predict that Kraktopia will return to the Senate after his two terms as President. It would appear his star power has carried him through this election with ease, which is something that very few candidates can say this election.

The panel discusses the recent developments and Anumia's chances:
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[11:10] <CalvinCoolidge> Another vote came in.
[11:11] <CalvinCoolidge> It didn't change much, but Anumia is now one vote from being out of this.
[11:12] <CalvinCoolidge> Or, out of the top seven, I mean.
[11:12] <Writinglegend> Oooh
[11:13] <Writinglegend> This is really heated
[11:13] <Writinglegend> But, Shin is out one and, if elections ended now, there would be no run-off.
[11:15] <CalvinCoolidge> It's looking like the top three are pretty safe at this point, too.
[11:15] <Writinglegend> I would think.
[11:15] <Writinglegend> I would say the only ones in danger are:
[11:16] <Writinglegend> The bottom half
[11:16] <CalvinCoolidge> Yes, those last four are up for grabs.
[11:18] <Writinglegend> If Anumia lost, would it change his feelings for platforms? :O
[11:18] <CalvinCoolidge> I hope so. :P
[11:19] <Writinglegend> It'll send a message :P
[11:20] <Writinglegend> Not only to Anumia, but other candidates who expect to win without a platform
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Two and a half hours left in this election, and we still cannot come to close calling more than half the seats.

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 23
Kraketopia - 22
Drecq - 18
Angelus - 15
Notolecta- 14
Anumia - 14
Sopo - 14
Shin - 14

The panel discusses platforms, runoffs, and committees:
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[11:31] <Notolecta> Anumia has some good reasons for not caring about platforms, most people really don't base their votes to heavily on them.
[11:32] <Notolecta> I feel platforms are useful and a nessarry show of activity and a willingness to get stuff done, but it is true that expeirnce and personality means more in the oval room anyway.
[11:32] <r3n> I'd tend to agree with Noto
[11:32] <r3n> (hello all)
[11:32] <Writinglegend> Hi r3n!
[11:33] <Writinglegend> Welcome back to our world :P
[11:33] <r3n> hey WL
[11:33] <Writinglegend> (I know you've been busy :) )
[11:33] <r3n> It was quite busy till yesterday 4pm, yes
[11:33] <r3n> but it worked out
[11:34] <r3n> I generally rarely read platforms. I haven't read a single one in this election
[11:34] <r3n> I will resort to a platform if the likely winners are people I don't know or have much of a public history that I can rely upon
[11:34] <r3n> that said, I do dislike candidates not bothering to publish campaigns
[11:35] <r3n> to me, it's a sign of disrespect to the electorate
[11:35] <Notolecta> I usually check to see that they are there then skim them for anything crazy or unique(specifically for senate elections)
[11:35] <Notolecta> It's also a sign of laziness and arrogance.
[11:35] <r3n> yes, that's true
[11:35] <Notolecta> It's almost like they are saying they are better than the system than the norm.
[11:36] <r3n> and I don't always expect a wall-of-text platform
[11:36] <Notolecta> Nor do I, at least not in a senate election.
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[11:48] <CalvinCoolidge> A single vote came in for Shin.
[11:48] == Sopo has joined #EBC
[11:48] <CalvinCoolidge> Now we are back to a tie.
[11:50] <Sopo> 3-way tie
[11:51] * Sopo hopes not to be in a runoff with Anumia
[11:52] <CalvinCoolidge> Thanks to someone's strategic Shin vote, this election is just waiting to go to runoff. :P
[11:52] <Sopo> who in the world is casting all these single votes?
[11:52] <CalvinCoolidge> There does seem to be a lot.
[11:54] <Sopo> it would be interesting/surprising to see Anumia lose or even go to a runoff
[11:55] <Notolecta> Hell the last 4 seats are still completely up in the air
[11:55] <Notolecta> 5 people 4 seats any of us could lose one.
[11:55] == Notolecta has quit [Quit: Web client closed]
[11:56] <CalvinCoolidge> They got him. :O
[11:56] == Notolecta has joined #EBC
[11:56] <Sopo> wb :P
[11:56] <CalvinCoolidge> That was a dramatic time to lose connection.
[11:56] <Sopo> yeah, this is a really odd election
[11:56] <Sopo> lots of single or low-number votes
[11:56] <Notolecta> No it will be odd if we go into a 5 way run-off
[11:57] <Notolecta> Which is stil possible.
[11:57] <CalvinCoolidge> Odd is putting it lightly.
[11:58] <Sopo> do you think Anumia would post a platform were a runoff to occur?
[11:58] <r3n> i expect we'll get a few more votes before it closes
[11:58] <CalvinCoolidge> I suppose Mouse is still waiting for chance to pounce.
[11:58] <CalvinCoolidge> *her chance
[11:59] <Notolecta> Any doubt that the bottom 3 are out?
[11:59] <Notolecta> And the top 3 in?
[12:00] <Notolecta> I think the only one who could statistically be moved out of the top 3 is drecq and I don't see it likely
[12:00] <r3n> Calvin, I was more referring to the mass-TG you just sent :P
[12:00] <CalvinCoolidge> When?
[12:01] <CalvinCoolidge> Oh.
[12:01] <CalvinCoolidge> :P
[12:02] <Notolecta> Does anyone at this point think drecq is ensured a spot?
[12:02] <Rach> I think he is
[12:03] <Notolecta> I wonder if it's to early to consider it sold.
[12:03] <CalvinCoolidge> That's why I haven't called it yet.
[12:04] <Notolecta> 4 more votes out there? in little over 2 hours.
[12:04] <Notolecta> I think it's porbably still statistically possible.
[12:05] <Notolecta> Of course drecq handsdown destroys in a run-off right?
[12:06] <CalvinCoolidge> Well, he should.
[12:09] <Notolecta> I'd personally rank run-off sucess potential as follows: Drecq, Anumia, anglues. myself, sopo, shin.
[12:09] <Sopo> I wonder how much, if any, of the votes came down to committee/senate aide policies
[12:09] <Rach> Who is Anglues?
[12:10] <CalvinCoolidge> Our Zombie Defense Director.
[12:10] <CalvinCoolidge> Oh, I see. :P
[12:10] * Rach pokes Calvin in the belly
[12:10] <Sopo> because WL supports committees and has the most votes, while I would consider myself perhaps the most vocal defender and I'm near the bottom of the pack
[12:10] <Notolecta> I was typing quickly, eating and doing a few other things at the same time sue me.
[12:10] * Sopo sues Noto
[12:10] <Rach> But Krake dislikes them and is second :P
[12:10] <Sopo> aye
[12:10] <CalvinCoolidge> That's some talent.
[12:11] <Sopo> so I'm not sure that's really factored in to voting patterns
[12:11] <CalvinCoolidge> Towards Noto and multi-tasking, not getting votes. :P
[12:11] <Notolecta> I think comittees were only a secondary factor.
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With just over an hour left, this race continues to surprise, with Anumia getting ever closer to falling out of the top seven, as Shin and Sopo move up.

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 24
Kraketopia - 23
Drecq - 19
Angelus - 16
Sopo - 15
Shin - 15
Notolecta- 14
Anumia - 14


The panel discusses how close the election is and what that means for Anumia:
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[12:19] <Sopo> 4 way tie!
[12:21] <CalvinCoolidge> This election rocks.
[12:22] <CalvinCoolidge> Just losing one vote at this point could ruin someone's chances.
[12:31] <CalvinCoolidge> I'll be back in a bit.
[12:31] <Sopo> ok
[12:32] <PhDre> I think the moral of the story is Europeians like platforms.
[12:34] <Sopo> indeed
[12:39] <Writinglegend> wow
[12:40] <Sopo> wow indeed
[12:40] <Writinglegend> Shin and Sopo pull ahead of Anumia and Noto
[12:40] <Sopo> ^
[12:40] <Writinglegend> Wow
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With under an hour to go, we have a top seven, but will it remain?

Top Contenders:
Writinglegend- 24
Kraketopia - 24
Drecq - 19
Angelus - 16
Sopo - 15
Shin - 15
Anumia - 15

Honorable Mentions:
Notolecta- 14

The panel discusses what the race means for Notolecta, and more:
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[13:35] <Writinglegend> Anumia got another vote
[13:35] <Writinglegend> :O
[13:35] <CalvinCoolidge> Yes, Noto is seeing a repeat of last election, perhaps.
[13:37] <CalvinCoolidge> Also, if this Senate gets elected, that would mean there are three that support committees, three opposed, and Anumia, who did not state his preference.
[13:38] <MS> Noto has a solid platform, though it kinda blurs together with all the others because it focuses on the same three things (CC Overhaul, Aides, Committees)
[13:38] <MS> so it might just be a result of there being too many good candidates
[13:38] <CalvinCoolidge> There wasn't much else to focus on, really.
[13:38] <MS> I did think he'd be around #4 or #5 though
[13:39] <MS> only because nobody brought anything else to the table.
[13:39] <CalvinCoolidge> Well, the committee thing was brought to the table by Sopo first, then all followed him.
[13:40] <MS> Committees were a recent issue under the HEM speakership, then died out in the latest Senate
[13:40] <MS> So it's not really a new issue, it's been on people's minds
[13:40] <CalvinCoolidge> I know, but it wasn't a certainty for this election until that platform.
[13:40] <MS> maybe the Senate needs a Ministry of Innovation to think outside the fucking box for a change
[13:41] <CalvinCoolidge> XD
[13:43] <Writinglegend> xD
[13:48] <Rach> Noto needs to learn how to finish
[13:48] <MS> Gross
[13:49] <CalvinCoolidge> He does have a problem at the end, doesn't he?
[13:49] <CalvinCoolidge> Maybe if he stopped wearing that speedo, people would take him seriously. :P
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The election has ended, and we have our top seven, moving on to the Senate.

Senators:
Writinglegend- 24
Kraketopia - 24
Drecq - 19
Angelus - 16
Sopo - 15
Shin - 15
Anumia - 15

Honorable Mentions:
Notolecta- 14
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The panel's thoughts on the results:
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[14:48] <CalvinCoolidge> It's over.
[14:48] <Writinglegend> Initial reactions of this senate?
[14:50] <PhDre> I am surprised how much Anumia was punished for not posting a platform.
[14:50] <CalvinCoolidge> Yes, he came very close to losing.
[14:52] <PhDre> I am also surprised that Noto did so poorly considering how qualified he is compared to some candidates who got in.
[14:52] <CalvinCoolidge> This must be torture for Noto to lose two Senate elections in a row, and come so close.
[14:53] <PhDre> More accurately, it is bad for Europeia for him to be out of two Senates in a row.
[14:53] <CalvinCoolidge> Is it bad? Or do we simply have that many able candidates that we can afford a Senate without him?
[14:55] <PhDre> No, I think he is more capable than some Senators. It's just that popularity > ability
[14:55] <PhDre> Which at least suggests that you got to play the game.
[14:56] <CalvinCoolidge> You mean, you have to play the game?
[14:56] <PhDre> BTW if someone wants to ask a question for EON LIVE Q&A feel free to skype me or IRC me
[14:57] <PhDre> You have to play the political side of the game. Play nice. Telling people the honest to God truth doesn't get you enough votes.
[14:57] <CalvinCoolidge> Someone just voted.
[14:57] <CalvinCoolidge> It didn't change anything anyway.
[14:58] <CalvinCoolidge> Yes, I would agree. You cannot just focus on one aspect of the job to get elected, you must present a complete package, it would seem.
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