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So what the heck is Europeia anyways?

Can I join?

So, I came here representing another region? I do not want to become a citizen. Where should I go?

What offices are there for people to be elected into?

What is there for me to do in Europeia?

That answers most of my immediate questions. What if I have any more?


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Lazarus Purges Forum Owner
Topic Started: Aug 25 2014, 01:33 AM (387 Views)
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Aug 25 2014, 02:38 AM
Arsenic makes you into a power hungry unprincipled minion of a defender dictatorship?

:ph43r:

Nah. Apollo has always been an unprincipled, power hungry minion who will kiss whichever rear end he thinks will get him a position of power.

Arsenic just adds flavor.
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Aug 25 2014, 05:27 AM
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Aug 25 2014, 02:38 AM
Arsenic makes you into a power hungry unprincipled minion of a defender dictatorship?

:ph43r:

Nah. Apollo has always been an unprincipled, power hungry minion who will kiss whichever rear end he thinks will get him a position of power.

Arsenic just adds flavor.
Some interesting and unwarranted language used there, unfortunately I didn't expect much else from you, Cormac.

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Here's how this will work. WA nations that do not endorse the Pharaoh within 72 hours of entering the region or being admitted to the WA will be warned by telegram and given four additional days to endorse the Pharaoh. If they do not do so within this four day grace period, they will be ejected and banned from the region to protect regional security.


Talk about dictatorships. :) I'm also on NS for about 20 minutes a day (save interesting one's like this) and have little to no inclination to get to any real position of power. I just like playing a game with political simulations such as the environment Lazarus provides. Since I spend my time there I would like to see it active and in good standing. Sorry if that hurts your feelings.
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Aug 25 2014, 06:20 AM
Some interesting and unwarranted language used there, unfortunately I didn't expect much else from you, Cormac.

We've known each other for over two years and given all of our experiences with each other, that was the minimum language warranted.

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Aug 25 2014, 06:20 AM
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Here's how this will work. WA nations that do not endorse the Pharaoh within 72 hours of entering the region or being admitted to the WA will be warned by telegram and given four additional days to endorse the Pharaoh. If they do not do so within this four day grace period, they will be ejected and banned from the region to protect regional security.


Talk about dictatorships. :)

I have no intention of justifying a badly needed security policy imposed in regard to non-citizen WA nations to you. I'm sure hostile Lazarenes and born-again defenders like yourself would love it if Osiris hadn't implemented that policy and the Delegacy still had an endo count in the mid- to high 60s. Anyone familiar with the constitutions and government structures of Osiris and Lazarus know that the former is far more democratic than the latter.
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In fairness to Lazarus and Apollo, Apollo is somewhat right here. If you're sold a democratic region and then get a dictatorship then you can complain. But that isn't the case with Lazarus. I'm quite sick of democracy bandied about as the be all and end all (so much so it's starting to echo RL). I'm content in letting them play how they want to play. #yayLaz
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Aug 25 2014, 07:52 AM
In fairness to Lazarus and Apollo, Apollo is somewhat right here. If you're sold a democratic region and then get a dictatorship then you can complain. But that isn't the case with Lazarus. I'm quite sick of democracy bandied about as the be all and end all (so much so it's starting to echo RL). I'm content in letting them play how they want to play. #yayLaz
To establish dictatorship in Lazarus they had to purge (that is remove without any trial) several citizens, including their longest-serving Delegate in their post-2008 history and a former cabinet member, because they knew these individuals would not support imposing a defender-NPO-controlled dictatorship on the region.

I'd say the people who were unjustly removed, in particular Griffin, but also NES, Cerebella, etc., have cause for complaint.

Indeed, Lazarus even removed Apollo here, in the mistaken belief he was associated with the UIAF regions. Alas, despite the absence of any war between the UIAF regions and Lazarus the mere unproven thought that someone was linked to the imperialist regions, TNI and the LKE being allied to Lazarus at the time, was sufficient to see him removed - because they were doing the bidding of external powers which had decided to create hostilities with the UIAF in a pique of envy following the UIAF's actions in defence of Osiris, hence why the NPO were so good to announce it rather than Lazarus themselves.

As for today, clearly the legitimacy of this regime stems from that event, which is what allowed it to seize power, but it is not as if they been openly proclaiming themselves a dictatorship either.

Glen-Rhodes, a non-member of Lazarus but well-known defender ideologue, who accordingly Lazarus has admitted it gave more information about the removal of Hobbes and the switch of forum than their own citizenry and is one of the few people (alongside Unibot) intimating that there are factual details to the recent event that they just cannot tell us but which would magically resolve all questions, so presumably a trusted source, claimed, on hearing the OFO declaration of war, that Lazarus was as much a dictatorship as in Osiris.

Well, in Osiris, the Delegate could not just unilaterally change the Constitution because nothing expressly bears them from doing so. That is what has happened in Lazarus, and it looks likely to increase the level of NPO and defender control over the region further by diminishing voices like that of Hobbes which have favoured more independent positions.

The defenders of Lazarus cannot have it both ways. Either it is a democracy or dictatorship. Of course, they are completely unscrupulous to evolving to whatever position or stance best serves the combined interests of the NPO and the defender organisations, hence the contradictions running through their position and the need to conduct purges at all.

Really, this regime and the actions of its leadership are utterly indefensible. It is a complete sham.
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hyanygo
Aug 25 2014, 07:52 AM
In fairness to Lazarus and Apollo, Apollo is somewhat right here. If you're sold a democratic region and then get a dictatorship then you can complain. But that isn't the case with Lazarus. I'm quite sick of democracy bandied about as the be all and end all (so much so it's starting to echo RL). I'm content in letting them play how they want to play. #yayLaz
Well, the "they" who are playing in Lazarus shrinks every time someone who doesn't actually want to play in exactly that fashion is thrown out...
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The things Hobbes has done for the forum, and also the money he invested in it, were vital to Lazarus.
He wasn't political and I got along with him quite well, so of course that's a very disappointing development.
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I see no difference between say, Lazarene Special Snowflake Syndrome and TNI/LKE Special Snowflake Syndrome. Both are hilariously twisted with many pages of "justification" to sacrifice to the Gameplay Gods. Where else but in NS do we have such weird little tit-for-tats and being offended so heavily. However, such bickering is endlessly amusing and must therefore, be fed with troll posts.

What a funny game you R/D'ers play. A funny, strange little game indeed.
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Didn't you just enter this game by supporting Lazarus? :P
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Aug 25 2014, 06:56 PM
I see no difference between say, Lazarene Special Snowflake Syndrome and TNI/LKE Special Snowflake Syndrome. Both are hilariously twisted with many pages of "justification" to sacrifice to the Gameplay Gods. Where else but in NS do we have such weird little tit-for-tats and being offended so heavily. However, such bickering is endlessly amusing and must therefore, be fed with troll posts.

What a funny game you R/D'ers play. A funny, strange little game indeed.
I'm not sure how precisely your argument relates to the issue at hand as regards Lazarus, or indeed to the substance of the points which the LKE and TNI make more generally (and, by the way, these regions are not 'R/D'ers').

It seems entirely non-constructive.
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Idk why you'd even bother responding to hy. He's an obvious troll.
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I'd just like to say I was initially 'purged' from the region and was allowed back in with open arms after asking nicely. And thanks Hy for getting my point, everyone in the last year has known what they were signing up for.
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There have been more than a few people who apparently didn't realize they were signing up to be purged.
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Aug 26 2014, 01:11 AM
I'd just like to say I was initially 'purged' from the region and was allowed back in with open arms after asking nicely. And thanks Hy for getting my point, everyone in the last year has known what they were signing up for.
lol.... and just a few moments ago:

Ikania, Former Minister of Information: "When I signed up, I didn't have the idea of being kicked out because I wanted to make a change."

http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?p=21502537#p21502537

Smooth move Apollo. :lol:
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