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Should the G.A.P. be scrapped?
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Topic Started: Jul 20 2014, 11:10 PM (713 Views)
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Jul 21 2014, 02:16 AM
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But we do have to have a serious conversation about the GAP moving forward.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:17 AM
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Maybe an objective discussion that looks at what is working and what is currently not working, without seeking to assign blame, and with a focus towards solving the problems, would be useful.
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Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:36 AM): I need you Sai'on'ay the Light Elf (Shower) says (7:37 AM): For? Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:37 AM): an Anumia vs Anumia debate  Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:38 AM): Were doing a 4 part debating series with Europeia and Rougiers brought up doing a "Anumia vs Anumia" debate I want you to be our Anumia
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modernsin
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Jul 21 2014, 02:22 AM
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Maybe an objective discussion that looks at what is working and what is currently not working, without seeking to assign blame, and with a focus towards solving the problems, would be useful. Isn't that what the relevant Senate committee should be doing?
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Anumia
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Jul 21 2014, 02:25 AM
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I think something broader in the Grand Hall could be good for this one, but, discussion was already on-going in the Senate anyway.
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Signature The One. The Allfather.-- "He stood with his head held high, critics screaming, and did what he truly felt was best for Europeia." - Common-Sense Politics He's the only person in NationStates who can successfully combine outrageous pomposity with a real support for democracy. - Indycar Racing Do I really need to talk about Anumia? The guy can write like Shakespeare, think like Socrates, and I learned on EuroChat yesterday that he can sing too. I bet he's hung like a bull moose. - Common-Sense Politics Anumia, you have a great mind. - Lethen Someone like Anumia only comes around once in a while. - Kabanatuanistan To be perfectly honest, I'm just going to trust Anumia and approve - Falconias I saw your amendment and wondered whether I had died and gone to heaven. It's beautiful. - Swakistek This is why we should all listen to Anumia. Clearly he is a god amongst men. - Fortana | You are not all knowing. You are not all powerful. You are not Anumia. - Griff I have the greatest respect for Anumia - don't let this thread fool you - but I wish he'd stop winning. - Hyanygo Actually, Hy, the things I wanted to say were: Go Anumia! I love Anumia! - Lethen Anumia with whatever power I have I hereby declare you the winner of everything, forever. - Fortana Long live the Emperor! All Hail Anumia, King of Kings! - Peaceful Llamas How about we realize democracy here is flawed and we make Anumia our dictator? - karthikking I agree with you, Anumia, as all Europeians should. - Swakistek To be honest I'm just going to vote whatever way Anumia votes. - Fortana |
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Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:36 AM): I need you Sai'on'ay the Light Elf (Shower) says (7:37 AM): For? Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:37 AM): an Anumia vs Anumia debate  Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:38 AM): Were doing a 4 part debating series with Europeia and Rougiers brought up doing a "Anumia vs Anumia" debate I want you to be our Anumia
- Klatonia,Jul 5 2011
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Drop dead, Dre.
- Lethen
- Aug 15 2013, 03:00 AM
You think I fact-check the shit I say? 
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Sopo
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Jul 21 2014, 02:36 AM
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Maybe an objective discussion that looks at what is working and what is currently not working, without seeking to assign blame, and with a focus towards solving the problems, would be useful. I agree. I'd like to get a general report from those in-the-know on progress made so far, obstacles overcome, and current barriers.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:38 AM
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There has been
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Awards I fought in the Osiris Campaign.
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Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:36 AM): I need you Sai'on'ay the Light Elf (Shower) says (7:37 AM): For? Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:37 AM): an Anumia vs Anumia debate  Olde Delaware: AE, The Devil's Game, SPC, NS says (7:38 AM): Were doing a 4 part debating series with Europeia and Rougiers brought up doing a "Anumia vs Anumia" debate I want you to be our Anumia
- Klatonia,Jul 5 2011
- 04:03 AM
Drop dead, Dre.
- Lethen
- Aug 15 2013, 03:00 AM
You think I fact-check the shit I say? 
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Jul 21 2014, 02:46 AM
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There has been  More.
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Jul 21 2014, 02:59 AM
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GAP, the clothing store, is terrible. I don't know much about G.A.P. tho.
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Jul 22 2014, 04:04 AM
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I want to say "Nay", but any tangible gains we'll be seeing from the GAP will come in the long-term; Europeia doesn't have the patience for that. We'll probably see the GAP scrapped by January.
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Jul 22 2014, 04:12 AM
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I want to say "Nay", but any tangible gains we'll be seeing from the GAP will come in the long-term; Europeia doesn't have the patience for that. We'll probably see the GAP scrapped by January. If there are no results whatsoever in a year, I agree.
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 The Right Honorable Sopo Associate Administrator for Discord - High Priest of Nethel - Lord High Chancellor EmeritusMore Info I once was... Lord High Chancellor and Heir Apparent ~ 26th, 32nd, and 42nd President ~ Speaker of the 27th Senate Vice President ~ Minister of Radio ~ Attorney General ~ Minister of Foreign Affairs ~ Minister of Culture ~ Minister of Welfare ~ Chair of the Citizens' AssemblyClan  Clan Chastain Sopo (Chief), Netz, Marnip, WestGuam, Rand, GraVandius, and AramorAll Hail Nethel, Praise Be Unto Him  I am the High Priest Join the Movement Gaze Upon the Truth Offer Your Prayers
"I am an enigma, I accept that. I understand that the pages of history do not have room for every man, for every dream, or for every brother. I know that deep down, but I wish it were otherwise every so often." ~ The Fourth Book of Nethel
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Jul 22 2014, 04:28 AM
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I want to say "Nay", but any tangible gains we'll be seeing from the GAP will come in the long-term; Europeia doesn't have the patience for that. We'll probably see the GAP scrapped by January.
If there are no results whatsoever in a year, I agree. I'm sure there will be results, but the real question is will it be enough?
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Jul 22 2014, 05:29 PM
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I think you need to see if you are getting enough return for the amount of time people are spending on GAP. I believe we will get some return, but it is just a matter of whether we are satisfied with the results, as Lethen stated.
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Jul 22 2014, 11:56 PM
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Clearly not, as EuroChat would suggest. To be honest, the personal attacks in EuroChat demonstrate that while I thought Europeia had progressed it will always be in the dinosaur era of nastiness and two-faced members that simply does not change.
I literally cannot take the hypocrisy. You -- Rachel Anumia -- have not contributed bar but one iota of anything to this region except satire, nastiness, and venom for the the last year. Yeah you had a brief stint as Communications Minister that was solid, but aside from that...attacks, insults, and negativity. Seriously. Look back at what you have posted. Talk about throwing stones in glass houses. EDIT: And I'm not two faced. I've said to absolutely anybody who has asked that you have been spreading venom in Europeia. Except for her service as President, Vice President, Foreign Minister, Interior Minister, Grand Admiral, prolific recruiter, and media maven, what has Rach done for the region? 
Back on topic, I think we're too late to avoid committing to the GAP, but too soon to judge its success. Whether you like the GAP or not, there isn't much choice but to stay the course.
I was skeptical of the program initially, but I'm impressed by the energy that's been devoted to it to date, and pleasantly surprised by the lack of a drain on activity here at home.
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Jul 23 2014, 12:11 AM
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Clearly not, as EuroChat would suggest. To be honest, the personal attacks in EuroChat demonstrate that while I thought Europeia had progressed it will always be in the dinosaur era of nastiness and two-faced members that simply does not change.
I literally cannot take the hypocrisy. You -- Rachel Anumia -- have not contributed bar but one iota of anything to this region except satire, nastiness, and venom for the the last year. Yeah you had a brief stint as Communications Minister that was solid, but aside from that...attacks, insults, and negativity. Seriously. Look back at what you have posted. Talk about throwing stones in glass houses. EDIT: And I'm not two faced. I've said to absolutely anybody who has asked that you have been spreading venom in Europeia.
Except for her service as President, Vice President, Foreign Minister, Interior Minister, Grand Admiral, prolific recruiter, and media maven, what has Rach done for the region?  Back on topic, I think we're too late to avoid committing to the GAP, but too soon to judge its success. Whether you like the GAP or not, there isn't much choice but to stay the course. I was skeptical of the program initially, but I'm impressed by the energy that's been devoted to it to date, and pleasantly surprised by the lack of a drain on activity here at home. for the the last year
Granted, I included the word "the" twice for some reason, but well...yeah.
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Jul 23 2014, 12:16 AM
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