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| Lethen | May 19 2014, 09:34 PM Post #16 |
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I'd be interested in hearing your response/input on the question I fielded to both candidates in their respective platform threads. A response here is probably more appropriate though, considering it's their threads.
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| HEM | May 19 2014, 09:58 PM Post #17 |
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Umm, I wasn't the one who wrote the text that Mal'achi responded to
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| modernsin | May 19 2014, 10:35 PM Post #18 |
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This x10. Skizzy, saying things like, "Well I wasn't around then, but I don't get the nostalgia for those days" (my paraphrase) is self-defeating. If you weren't there, of course you won't get the nostalgia for it. Back then I'd log on to the forums every day just to see what crazy new thing was brewing at the time. People were more assertive, and there was a more competitive atmosphere that, while occasionally skirting the edge of outright insanity, was undeniably effective in maintaining consistent levels of engagement and compelling discourse. I'm not saying we should jump feet-first into that kind of atmosphere again, but it's worth noting that it's part of the reason why political interest has waned in the last couple years.Alec and Zenny: I wasn't referring to you specifically. If I was, I would've called you out specifically. I know Anumia has more of a hands-off approach with some of his Ministries than other Presidents, and I wasn't insinuating EuroStock was a response to complaints about activity (before this thread brought up the issue again, have there even been complaints in the last few weeks? I can't think of any). Don't be so sensitive. |
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| Lethen | May 20 2014, 01:09 AM Post #19 |
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I loved those days. Things were more...divisive...but it was damn compelling. I loved my head-to-head debates/arguments/discussions with Falc and his ilk (and his ill-informed supporters). |
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| Skizzy Grey | May 20 2014, 01:13 AM Post #20 |
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But I was here, and I saw the region as it existed then (unless you contend there was a sea change in just a few weeks' time after Falc left). We spent all our time fighting one another. We tolerated people treating one another abominably. We naively allowed ourselves to be f'd over repeatedly by the same people in the name of "second chances." That culture was tearing this place asunder. You weren't here a year later when that culture damn near killed this place. In response, we came together and built a new, more collaborative culture. We developed a generation of leaders who never would have stuck around to deal with the old Europeia. We figured out what we were all about, and we made a mark on the broader game. After a long absence, that's the region you came back and found -- and you wish we were still at each other's throats, because you found that more entertaining (until you lost interest, that is). |
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| PhDre | May 20 2014, 01:17 AM Post #21 |
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And with that I feel we've lost a willingness to challenge ourselves. I don't dispute your points Skizzy, but there is an extreme to a cooperative culture and that is a complacent one. Finding that balance is difficult and I wonder if we have found it. |
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| Skizzy Grey | May 20 2014, 01:18 AM Post #22 |
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I've known you for four years. I haven't changed much in that time -- there's not much difference between being 36 and being 40. I'm guessing you have changed more than I have. And I'll bet you wouldn't find that drama as compelling now as you did then. I mean, would you trade any of our current citizens for the likes of Jerrymania or Athy, or the other assorted tools that our culture in those days attracted here like moths to a flame? Edit: Dre makes a good point about complacency. But I think there's a difference between continuing to push innovation in a fast-changing game, versus promoting an atmosphere of conflict, crisis and drama because those things are good for activity. Edited by Skizzy Grey, May 20 2014, 01:22 AM.
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| Lethen | May 20 2014, 01:22 AM Post #23 |
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That is very, very true. |
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| modernsin | May 20 2014, 01:42 AM Post #24 |
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Actually yeah, things did start settling down significantly after Falc left. More specifically, tensions started deflating after he abruptly pulled out of the April (?) 2010 Presidential election against Rougiers/Earth. I think most who were around then would agree that January-April 2010 period (from Ollie's turbulent Presidency through Falc vs. Rougiers) was the nadir of the Falc/NCP era. Certainly the NCP became less contentious after Falc left it around May. The politics were still competitive and all, but Falc's presence and attitude pushed things into a more extreme territory. And I don't know that we merely "tolerated people treating one another abominably." We were pretty good at calling people out when they were out of line, though we definitely could have done more to stop it from happening as often as it did. Again, I'm not advocating a return to this kind of atmosphere, just pointing out factors that made Europeian politics more active and interesting than they have been since. No I wasn't here during 2011, except for a brief period of minor resurgence that I don't remember much of. Seems like things really went to hell after I left - coincidence? Once more, don't put words in my mouth. Suggesting that I "wish we were still at each other's throats" is bullshit. Also, I didn't leave out of a lack of interest. I had just started college and RL was taking up all of my free time. In my goodbye thread, I even referred to Europeia as "awesome and engaging." I certainly wasn't getting bored with the place. Anyway, like Dre I question the implication that we've found an ideal balance between activity and cooperation. Obviously there's no objective measure of what the ideal balance might be, but suffice to say I'd like the political atmosphere to be livelier. Hopefully the upcoming Pres debates will make this election a little more interesting, for one. And I'd like to stop seeing Senate races where we have an equal number of candidates and available seats. That's definitely not a sign of a well-balanced political culture. I certainly don't think the region's doomed or anything, but we can always do better in one area or another. |
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| PhDre | May 20 2014, 02:03 AM Post #25 |
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You know, this entire conversation reminds me of an article written a long time ago. As Skizzy correctly notes, the goal should be to push innovation in a fast-changing game (while promoting activity and interest domestically). And the manner that Europeia has always done that best is through political activity and competition for the office of the President. An atmosphere where we welcome critique and standing up to the 'God King' or whoever happens to be in power and saying "look, I know this isn't your style but your style is not good for what we need right now." Privately, I'm hearing a lot more disappointment regarding the GAP - I'd like to be in an Europeia where people can say "this and this is not working, I'm disappointed the Administration hasn't done enough here." And I don't think Europeia currently encourages that attitude. |
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| Skizzy Grey | May 20 2014, 02:29 AM Post #26 |
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I love it when college students say they're busy. ![]() I agree re: the Senate, but I'm convinced that's structural rather than cultural -- in a region where the rules are well-written and enjoy broad support , there isn't much for the legislature to do. I have made a couple proposals for structural reform, but neither of them has gained traction. |
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| PhDre | May 20 2014, 02:31 AM Post #27 |
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I think it's very unfair to even slight someone for taking a break from the game for RL reasons. First year of University is a very unique moment in terms of experiencing college-level classes, making new friends, etc. If MS says he was busy he was busy, and that's irrelevant. |
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| modernsin | May 20 2014, 03:06 AM Post #28 |
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If there isn't much for the legislature to do (which I agree with), then surely more people could step up and serve without fear of it taking up too much of their time? We certainly have plenty of viable potential Senators, many of whom have served before. But people don't want to step up, and that sucks. We have plenty of newer members in the Senate right now and that's great, but why are so many veterans averse to running for Senate these days? Open question. And before someone tells me to put my money where my mouth is, I am seriously planning on standing for Senate on the next go 'round. As I've mentioned elsewhere, my activity will continue to increase in the coming weeks, so I have no problem with getting back into some kind of office. I hope others will be equally willing over the summer; it doesn't have to be a dry spell if we don't want it to be, after all. Man, I'm sure the notion of college students being busy seems silly to you. But as Dre said, I had just entered my first year and begun what proved to be a very hectic period in my life. Believe me, after 16 months of enthusiastic participation between 2009-2010, I didn't want to leave. I hope I don't have to again anytime soon. |
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| Lethen | May 20 2014, 04:09 AM Post #29 |
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I personally have more or less refused to run for the Senate and other offices in the past primarily because it's a young man's game now and who am I to take away that seat for a potential new Senator or that Ministry for the new Minister of x, y, or z? |
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| PhDre | May 20 2014, 04:10 AM Post #30 |
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But aren't you going to be a Minister this upcoming term? |
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Back then I'd log on to the forums every day just to see what crazy new thing was brewing at the time. People were more assertive, and there was a more competitive atmosphere that, while occasionally skirting the edge of outright insanity, was undeniably effective in maintaining consistent levels of engagement and compelling discourse. I'm not saying we should jump feet-first into that kind of atmosphere again, but it's worth noting that it's part of the reason why political interest has waned in the last couple years.








