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A Taste of Skizz #15; TSP, or Part One of My Memoirs
Topic Started: Oct 10 2011, 07:17 PM (1,841 Views)
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Oct 17 2011, 10:29 AM
I don't think he was getting indignant at that, I think he's getting indignant at the suggestion that one can only attack something if they do so in a way as to remain popular themselves.


That characterization is very flattering of HEM, but it's not accurate. HEM himself has admitted he didn't clothe himself in glory during that fight -- which wasn't confined to Hy's campaign thread, and only had a little to do with judicial politics. I'm not looking to condemn HEM -- if you read that linked thread, I didn't clothe myself in glory either.

My point is that each of us must decide whether to forgive, or not. If you forgive, I think you can rightly expect people not to nurse a grudge against you over some cross words, but if you choose to remain indignant about things that happened months ago, you shouldn't expect others to give you a pass for your less noble moments.

Forgiveness is good for the soul, and good for the region also.
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Well, only he can speak as to his indignation, so past my supposition I shall speak little further on that mark.
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Oct 17 2011, 01:26 PM
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Oct 17 2011, 10:29 AM
I don't think he was getting indignant at that, I think he's getting indignant at the suggestion that one can only attack something if they do so in a way as to remain popular themselves.


That characterization is very flattering of HEM, but it's not accurate. HEM himself has admitted he didn't clothe himself in glory during that fight -- which wasn't confined to Hy's campaign thread, and only had a little to do with judicial politics. I'm not looking to condemn HEM -- if you read that linked thread, I didn't clothe myself in glory either.

My point is that each of us must decide whether to forgive, or not. If you forgive, I think you can rightly expect people not to nurse a grudge against you over some cross words, but if you choose to remain indignant about things that happened months ago, you shouldn't expect others to give you a pass for your less noble moments.

Forgiveness is good for the soul, and good for the region also.

There's a difference between forgiveness and forgetting completely. Especially when forgetting means a creative re-write of history, alongside exposing ourselves to the same threats yet again.

I do not believe I hold ill will toward anyone on a personal basis (Though I admit, such disconnects have happened in the past. Perhaps I do, and simply do not notice). I hold ill will toward my own mistakes, the circumstances that led people to do unthinkable things. That, indeed, includes myself.
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Oct 17 2011, 02:54 PM

There's a difference between forgiveness and forgetting completely. Especially when forgetting means a creative re-write of history, alongside exposing ourselves to the same threats yet again.



I agree, and it's sometimes a fine line between the two. If you find yourself (1) attacking someone's honor/integrity/credibility, rather than their position; or (2) interjecting old history in a discussion about an unrelated matter, it's a pretty good bet you've crossed that fine line.

As an example, I think Lethen was on the right side of that line when he criticized Ollie ( here and here). Onderkelkia (here) stayed on the right side of the line too, despite there being no love lost between Ollie and Onder. Anumia (here) and NES (here) crossed the line.

That's my take, anyway. Your mileage may vary.
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