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Citizenship Application for Karthus
Topic Started: Mar 13 2018, 12:06 AM (1,525 Views)
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One day later, I would have done so earlier but I was inactive the entire day

I should note that I spoke to both Drecq and Malashaan separately and they both say my actions to not constitute a crime.
Edited by Jay Dee, Mar 17 2018, 08:15 PM.
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I'm just confused as to why:

1. Lethen didn't tell you to apply in accordance with our laws
2. You kept it hidden when we found out less than 5 days after you applied

It just doesn't seem like it was that advantageous for you to apply under a false persona :P
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Mar 17 2018, 07:47 PM
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Mar 14 2018, 11:21 PM
Waived, don't make me regret this :P
I'm confused by the various timelines people are posting. Did you know Karthus was JayDee when you waived him?
Why would I tell a newcomer "don't make me regret this" with an informal emoji meant to be playful if I didn't know them? :rolleyes:

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One day later, I would have done so earlier but I was inactive the entire day

I should note that I spoke to both Drecq and Malashaan separately and they both say my actions to not constitute a crime.
You also approached me, missed me because I was offline, and got a hold of me the next day to let me know who you were. And at that point, I know Mal already knew - albeit because you told me as much. Of course, I didn't waive your application until afterwards (and I have the receipts to prove as much, as the young people like to say).
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Mar 17 2018, 08:19 PM
I'm just confused as to why:

1. Lethen didn't tell you to apply in accordance with our laws
2. You kept it hidden when we found out less than 5 days after you applied

It just doesn't seem like it was that advantageous for you to apply under a false persona :P
I reviewed and waived the application on March 14th. The application had his relevant information, including that he was JayDee, at that time. I have no idea if I even saw his application before that point, and if it was edited to reflect the JayDee persona between talking to Mal and myself seeing the application, I can't speak to that. I don't have those logs.
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Admins can see the edit history of a post and what was changed, right?
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Admins can see the edit history of a post and what was changed, right?
Yes, and it was edited. But I don't know when it was edited relative to when he told Mal about his identity because I don't have those logs.

EDIT: also whats the legality of sharing someone's post edit history? Like I told the AG when asked, but can someone's post edit history legally be shared in public? With the IP address redacted, of course.
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Admins can see the edit history of a post and what was changed, right?
Yes, and it was edited. But I don't know when it was edited relative to when he told Mal about his identity because I don't have those logs.

EDIT: also whats the legality of sharing someone's post edit history? Like I told the AG when asked, but can someone's post edit history legally be shared in public? With the IP address redacted, of course.
I am positive when Mal knew versus the edit is totally irrelevant. Section 5 of the Criminal Code is Lying on a Citizenship Application. Thus, if JayDee did not include that very relevant alias on the original post of the *actual application* then he very clearly violated the law as there was clear intent to conceal that alias from the community based on the discord logs also posted in this thread.

EDIT: On top of all that its vastly clear that he violated "(i) conceals previous regional affiliation(s) on their citizenship application;" by not listing Europeia on his application.
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Mar 17 2018, 10:38 PM
EDIT: On top of all that its vastly clear that he violated "(i) conceals previous regional affiliation(s) on their citizenship application;" by not listing Europeia on his application.
That’s a joke right?
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All this aside, welcome back. Hope you're not discouraged to stay and that it's all settled in time.
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Mar 17 2018, 10:52 PM
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EDIT: On top of all that its vastly clear that he violated "(i) conceals previous regional affiliation(s) on their citizenship application;" by not listing Europeia on his application.
That’s a joke right?
On second thought that might be a stretch by itself as in practice as the majority of returning citizens do so under the name at which they previously were a member of Europeia (and with the same account), at which it is known they were previously a member of the region. In your case however, if you did not put JayDee on this inital posting of the application then you are in legally dangerous waters.
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I’m legally in no waters as I was not yet a citizen at the time. I edited the application as soon as the opportunity arose.
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Mar 17 2018, 11:28 PM
I’m legally in no waters as I was not yet a citizen at the time.
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I edited the application as soon as the opportunity arose.

You could have you know... just ... not "concealed previous alias(es) used in other regions or in Europeia when applying for citizenship." Then you wouldn't have had to edit the application. And why did you have to edit the application? Because it is a crime to "conceal previous alias(es) used in other regions or in Europeia when applying for citizenship."
Edited by PhDre, Mar 17 2018, 11:40 PM.
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I’m legally in no waters as I was not yet a citizen at the time.
I... well, that's different.
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