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ENN Election Chat — Discussion On Exclusive Results Of Latest Poll
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Topic Started: Oct 30 2017, 04:30 AM (1,143 Views)
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JayDee
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Nov 5 2017, 06:45 PM
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My money says that Calvin's poll will show similar results to this poll. That said, the fact that Rach and Brun reached out to a lot of inactive citizens just shows to me that they wanted it more. I'll admit, I favored Brun so I'm more welcoming of this result, but I understand other's frustration. I felt the exact same way when Aex won the Delegacy, but I accepted that he won it fair and square and even defended him when Boomer released his poll.
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Ra Ra Rasputin Things people say Jaydee Senpai notice me-AexThat's it, no Llama for him. Everyone else still gets one.-VertegerJayDee, we need you to be the entire Government. By yourself.-DarcnessIm a coconut, brown on the outside but a little classically educated white boi on the inside-HyangyoJaydee's actually hot-MangoJayDee does need to turn 18 already, this is true-IsarisJayDee you tricky bastard-LethenWho needs an Ovation when you can have a gold star from JayDee?-ConstieD mak CA gret agin!!11!!-DrexloreHailing Satan is good. Hailing Satan is great. Hail Satan everyday for good luck-Kylia QuilorAs long as I can keep indulging my hobby to liberally swear at 7 year olds Im fine. The tears of young children is what keeps me looking so young myself.-DrecqJay is cool beans. -Pyntuma Real life quotes I've given up on being normal. I've found the only people that are normal are those too afraid to be themselves.-A wise man Look to the stars but keep your feet on the ground.-Teddy Roosevelt All religions must be tolerated for every man must get to heaven his own way.-King Frederick the Great of Prussia Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.-George Washington The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.-James D. Nicoll A gift from Malashaan Family Son of Owen Bonaparte
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Kylia Quilor
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Nov 5 2017, 06:57 PM
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Is it a matter of wanting it more, or of deciding that it would be worthwhile - or good - to reach out to a previously untapped group? If Darc and Sopo had realized those people were in play to the degree they were, much as I dislike the notion (at which point I'd be complaining about both tickets), he'd probably have reached out to them just as much.
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JayDee
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Nov 5 2017, 07:02 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
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Ra Ra Rasputin Things people say Jaydee Senpai notice me-AexThat's it, no Llama for him. Everyone else still gets one.-VertegerJayDee, we need you to be the entire Government. By yourself.-DarcnessIm a coconut, brown on the outside but a little classically educated white boi on the inside-HyangyoJaydee's actually hot-MangoJayDee does need to turn 18 already, this is true-IsarisJayDee you tricky bastard-LethenWho needs an Ovation when you can have a gold star from JayDee?-ConstieD mak CA gret agin!!11!!-DrexloreHailing Satan is good. Hailing Satan is great. Hail Satan everyday for good luck-Kylia QuilorAs long as I can keep indulging my hobby to liberally swear at 7 year olds Im fine. The tears of young children is what keeps me looking so young myself.-DrecqJay is cool beans. -Pyntuma Real life quotes I've given up on being normal. I've found the only people that are normal are those too afraid to be themselves.-A wise man Look to the stars but keep your feet on the ground.-Teddy Roosevelt All religions must be tolerated for every man must get to heaven his own way.-King Frederick the Great of Prussia Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.-George Washington The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.-James D. Nicoll A gift from Malashaan Family Son of Owen Bonaparte
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Nov 5 2017, 07:26 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election. Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea.
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 I. Am. Not. A. Nice. Person. Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies. Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism. Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
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JayDee
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Nov 5 2017, 07:30 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea. So does that mean we should discredit politicians who receive a majority of their votes from electorates that don't work or contribute to society?
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Ra Ra Rasputin Things people say Jaydee Senpai notice me-AexThat's it, no Llama for him. Everyone else still gets one.-VertegerJayDee, we need you to be the entire Government. By yourself.-DarcnessIm a coconut, brown on the outside but a little classically educated white boi on the inside-HyangyoJaydee's actually hot-MangoJayDee does need to turn 18 already, this is true-IsarisJayDee you tricky bastard-LethenWho needs an Ovation when you can have a gold star from JayDee?-ConstieD mak CA gret agin!!11!!-DrexloreHailing Satan is good. Hailing Satan is great. Hail Satan everyday for good luck-Kylia QuilorAs long as I can keep indulging my hobby to liberally swear at 7 year olds Im fine. The tears of young children is what keeps me looking so young myself.-DrecqJay is cool beans. -Pyntuma Real life quotes I've given up on being normal. I've found the only people that are normal are those too afraid to be themselves.-A wise man Look to the stars but keep your feet on the ground.-Teddy Roosevelt All religions must be tolerated for every man must get to heaven his own way.-King Frederick the Great of Prussia Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.-George Washington The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.-James D. Nicoll A gift from Malashaan Family Son of Owen Bonaparte
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Nov 5 2017, 07:42 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea.
So does that mean we should discredit politicians who receive a majority of their votes from electorates that don't work or contribute to society? If a candidate is only elected because of low engagement voters who don't "work or contribute to society" then there are serious mandate questions at the very least. If candidates can win elections without the support of the politically engaged and contributing voting block then the active Europeian community isn't determening our detection as a region.
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea.
So does that mean we should discredit politicians who receive a majority of their votes from electorates that don't work or contribute to society? It means we need to consider them more carefully. It means, as PhDre suggests, their mandate is weaker than raw numbers might suggest, and more importantly, in the future, it means the odds of electing much more mediocre candiates increases (Brun is not mediocre, the fundemantal problem with mobilizing the unengaged is where it could lead, not this election itself... much.)
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 I. Am. Not. A. Nice. Person. Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies. Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism. Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
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Nov 5 2017, 07:51 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea.
So does that mean we should discredit politicians who receive a majority of their votes from electorates that don't work or contribute to society?
It means we need to consider them more carefully. It means, as PhDre suggests, their mandate is weaker than raw numbers might suggest, and more importantly, in the future, it means the odds of electing much more mediocre candiates increases (Brun is not mediocre, the fundemantal problem with mobilizing the unengaged is where it could lead, not this election itself... much.) I don't think it will be as bad as you think, but you're the pessimist for a reason .
It was going to be a close election regardless, Rach and Brunhilde's campaigning just pushed them over the edge.
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Ra Ra Rasputin Things people say Jaydee Senpai notice me-AexThat's it, no Llama for him. Everyone else still gets one.-VertegerJayDee, we need you to be the entire Government. By yourself.-DarcnessIm a coconut, brown on the outside but a little classically educated white boi on the inside-HyangyoJaydee's actually hot-MangoJayDee does need to turn 18 already, this is true-IsarisJayDee you tricky bastard-LethenWho needs an Ovation when you can have a gold star from JayDee?-ConstieD mak CA gret agin!!11!!-DrexloreHailing Satan is good. Hailing Satan is great. Hail Satan everyday for good luck-Kylia QuilorAs long as I can keep indulging my hobby to liberally swear at 7 year olds Im fine. The tears of young children is what keeps me looking so young myself.-DrecqJay is cool beans. -Pyntuma Real life quotes I've given up on being normal. I've found the only people that are normal are those too afraid to be themselves.-A wise man Look to the stars but keep your feet on the ground.-Teddy Roosevelt All religions must be tolerated for every man must get to heaven his own way.-King Frederick the Great of Prussia Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.-George Washington The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.-James D. Nicoll A gift from Malashaan Family Son of Owen Bonaparte
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Nov 5 2017, 07:54 PM
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Ra Ra Rasputin Things people say Jaydee Senpai notice me-AexThat's it, no Llama for him. Everyone else still gets one.-VertegerJayDee, we need you to be the entire Government. By yourself.-DarcnessIm a coconut, brown on the outside but a little classically educated white boi on the inside-HyangyoJaydee's actually hot-MangoJayDee does need to turn 18 already, this is true-IsarisJayDee you tricky bastard-LethenWho needs an Ovation when you can have a gold star from JayDee?-ConstieD mak CA gret agin!!11!!-DrexloreHailing Satan is good. Hailing Satan is great. Hail Satan everyday for good luck-Kylia QuilorAs long as I can keep indulging my hobby to liberally swear at 7 year olds Im fine. The tears of young children is what keeps me looking so young myself.-DrecqJay is cool beans. -Pyntuma Real life quotes I've given up on being normal. I've found the only people that are normal are those too afraid to be themselves.-A wise man Look to the stars but keep your feet on the ground.-Teddy Roosevelt All religions must be tolerated for every man must get to heaven his own way.-King Frederick the Great of Prussia Labor to keep alive in your breast that little spark of celestial fire, called conscience.-George Washington The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.-James D. Nicoll A gift from Malashaan Family Son of Owen Bonaparte
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Nov 5 2017, 08:22 PM
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Most people who take polls are usually active on the forums, or at least active regulars in EuroChat.
There are also a fairly large group (imo) of older members and active forum users who simply do not vote in polls because it is perceived as too much work. I mean, I personally have probably voted in perhaps 5% of polls. There will probably be an article on it by me; but I think we tend to put far more stock into polls than into reality. A great recent example of this was Sanctaria doing a nearly perfect job as Minister and yet polling worse than many other Ministries by 10-20%. So I do think there is a difference between doing a job well and polling well. Sometimes they overlap, but not always as in the case of Sanctaria. I'd rather a person do their job well and properly than pandering to polls. There seems to be a bit of a culture of trying to do whatever it takes to poll well. Rach, your comparison of Sanctaria to other ministers is quite inaccurate. The Ministry of World Assembly has been notorious for the apathy it receives from the region, which has been pretty consistent throughout its existence. Therefore, it almost always receives more ‘no opinion’ responses than all other ministries, as respondents are unlikely to judge a ministry they know so little of. In fact, Sanctaria had the second lowest disapproval rating of all of the ministers, which reflects that those who were aware of the World Assembly and his work highly approved of him. And if you remove all ‘no opinion’ responses, he has an approval rating of 95%.
That percentage distance between him and other ministries shows more of a flaw with the way our polls are set up, rather than people not taking polls. It may be necessary to separate what is an informed ‘okay’ response (like a 5/10 in performance) and a ‘I have no idea about this’ response. Currently, this is often impossible to deferentiate because these questions in polls are mandatory, so those unsure simple click ‘no opinion.’ This will always disproportionately hurt the ratings of ministers and government positions that citizens have less knowledge about. I thought about this flaw for a while, but that result showed excellently how much results can be skewed, which I just realized.
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Nov 5 2017, 08:22 PM
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But he didn't; I don't know why, maybe because Darcness thought there was no way he could lose, but it happened anyway. On the other hand, Brun and Rach spent hours reaching out to people and gathering votes for the election.
Because as I said, he almost certainly didn't expect the low-engagement voters were in play, and because fundamentally, putting them into play is a bad idea.
So does that mean we should discredit politicians who receive a majority of their votes from electorates that don't work or contribute to society?
It means we need to consider them more carefully. It means, as PhDre suggests, their mandate is weaker than raw numbers might suggest, and more importantly, in the future, it means the odds of electing much more mediocre candiates increases (Brun is not mediocre, the fundemantal problem with mobilizing the unengaged is where it could lead, not this election itself... much.)
I don't think it will be as bad as you think, but you're the pessimist for a reason  . It was going to be a close election regardless, Rach and Brunhilde's campaigning just pushed them over the edge. What evidence do you have that it was going to be a close election? Nothing suggested it would be until many low engaged voters showed up in the first hour of polls opening.
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I see nothing wrong with "low engagement" voters going to the polls. They are citizens and have every right to vote as any other citizen.
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Non-Europeian Resume Legatus in The Roman Empire Pharaoh Emeritus of the Osiris Fraternal Order Stationmaster Emeritus of Grand Central Former Sergeant and Arms of Glory recipient in The Black Hawks And more that isn't as relevant or that I have forgotten Quotes Ark: If I'm a clone of Fest I am defective as hell Vac: Hide your WADs! Fest is bored. Syg: Hate to say it but I like Festavo more. Tim: I'm inclined to agree with Festavo, which is a terrifying occurrence. Nyx: I see Festavo at all the best parties. Revall: Festavo is an off his rocker cowboy capable of anything at the drop of a hat. Evil Wolf: Festy is the besty. [/center]
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Kylia Quilor
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Nov 5 2017, 11:59 PM
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Queen in My Own Mind
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- Nov 5 2017, 11:19 PM
I see nothing wrong with "low engagement" voters going to the polls. They are citizens and have every right to vote as any other citizen. No one in this conversation is proposing they shouldn't have the right to vote if they meet all the existing requirements for citizenship. It's a question of social actions, re: the candidates themselves. It's a question on if we want the uninformed and unengaged, who won't be sticking around between elections or feel the ramifications of their votes, to be decicing our future, and if we want to keep letting that genie out of the bottle.
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The Rt. Hon. Commodore Kylia Quilor, Dux Emeritus, Legatus, Quartius, Primus Pilus, Praefectus Vigilum Noctu, ERN
 I. Am. Not. A. Nice. Person. Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies. Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism. Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
Professional Credentials Curriculum Vitae Europeia: President x1 Minister of Foreign Affairs x2 Grand Admiral x4 Senator x11 Minister of Communications x1
Current Positions In Other Regions: Queen of Kantrias
Past Positions in Other Regions (Selected): MP (LKE), Minister of the Exterior (LKE), Reichstag Delegate (TNI), Minister (TNI), Reich Elector (TNI), TNI Contingent Commander, (UIAF), Director of Public Relations (Region Inc)
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Testimonials To My Character Named Testimonials [justified]I sometimes suspect that [Kylia] Quilor is here to harvest the tears of young, ambitious nations. - The Bruce O how much we have missed your cynicism [Kylia]. :p - Zaolat I'm so happy you're back but you're also crushing my dreams - Sopo [Kylia] is close to defining the modern Europeian conservative. - Hyanygo You carry an interesting dichotomy about yourself - a mix of fiery passion and cool reservation that both intrigues and concerns me. -Trinnien Kylia is the neighbor at the end of the street that you don't want to mess with during petunia season. -Cat I'd just like to thank KQ for resurrecting this thread, because it was truly what GP needed. </sarcasm>- Cormac Oh man, today I did not wake up thinking "I'll post something defending Kylia" ... but here we are. - Aexnidaral Seymour[/justified] Anonymous Testimonials - “Too much negativity and edginess”
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Lethen
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Nov 6 2017, 12:44 AM
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Remember when I was famous? Neither do I.
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You're assuming that some of those low-engagement voters won't stick around and become high-engagement voters. Its also a weak argument to say that having a voting base of low-engagement voters will weaken a mandate: with the way we're set up, the low-engagement voter will always greatly outnumber active and semi-active players. Every major election has a decent portion of low-engagement voters that vote. And the "active and semi-active players" doesn't even take into account those that are involved politically and forum-side, and those that primarily care about the social side of things and are mainly active on Discord.
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Kylia Quilor
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Nov 6 2017, 01:06 AM
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Queen in My Own Mind
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- Lethen
- Nov 6 2017, 12:44 AM
You're assuming that some of those low-engagement voters won't stick around and become high-engagement voters. Its also a weak argument to say that having a voting base of low-engagement voters will weaken a mandate: with the way we're set up, the low-engagement voter will always greatly outnumber active and semi-active players. Every major election has a decent portion of low-engagement voters that vote. And the "active and semi-active players" doesn't even take into account those that are involved politically and forum-side, and those that primarily care about the social side of things and are mainly active on Discord. Decent-yes, outsized, no.
You're assuming any or more than perhaps one or two of them (if that) actually stick around for any length of time. I might be wrong, but when Aex pulled a similar style of GOTV for WAD (though not to the same degree) we didn't see a whole lot of new activity from low-engagement players.
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The Rt. Hon. Commodore Kylia Quilor, Dux Emeritus, Legatus, Quartius, Primus Pilus, Praefectus Vigilum Noctu, ERN
 I. Am. Not. A. Nice. Person. Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies. Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism. Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
Professional Credentials Curriculum Vitae Europeia: President x1 Minister of Foreign Affairs x2 Grand Admiral x4 Senator x11 Minister of Communications x1
Current Positions In Other Regions: Queen of Kantrias
Past Positions in Other Regions (Selected): MP (LKE), Minister of the Exterior (LKE), Reichstag Delegate (TNI), Minister (TNI), Reich Elector (TNI), TNI Contingent Commander, (UIAF), Director of Public Relations (Region Inc)
Medals Order of Service to Europeia  , Order of the Bronze Star  , Order of Courage x2 
Testimonials To My Character Named Testimonials [justified]I sometimes suspect that [Kylia] Quilor is here to harvest the tears of young, ambitious nations. - The Bruce O how much we have missed your cynicism [Kylia]. :p - Zaolat I'm so happy you're back but you're also crushing my dreams - Sopo [Kylia] is close to defining the modern Europeian conservative. - Hyanygo You carry an interesting dichotomy about yourself - a mix of fiery passion and cool reservation that both intrigues and concerns me. -Trinnien Kylia is the neighbor at the end of the street that you don't want to mess with during petunia season. -Cat I'd just like to thank KQ for resurrecting this thread, because it was truly what GP needed. </sarcasm>- Cormac Oh man, today I did not wake up thinking "I'll post something defending Kylia" ... but here we are. - Aexnidaral Seymour[/justified] Anonymous Testimonials - “Too much negativity and edginess”
- “We need someone like [her] to keep us from flying too close to the sun”
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