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ENN Election Chat — Discussion On Exclusive Results Of Latest Poll
Topic Started: Oct 30 2017, 04:30 AM (1,144 Views)
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Aexnidaral Seymour
Nov 5 2017, 01:07 AM
Most people who take polls are usually active on the forums, or at least active regulars in EuroChat.
There are also a fairly large group (imo) of older members and active forum users who simply do not vote in polls because it is perceived as too much work. I mean, I personally have probably voted in perhaps 5% of polls. There will probably be an article on it by me; but I think we tend to put far more stock into polls than into reality. A great recent example of this was Sanctaria doing a nearly perfect job as Minister and yet polling worse than many other Ministries by 10-20%. So I do think there is a difference between doing a job well and polling well. Sometimes they overlap, but not always as in the case of Sanctaria. I'd rather a person do their job well and properly than pandering to polls. There seems to be a bit of a culture of trying to do whatever it takes to poll well.
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The polling was right after he'd gotten the job, and polls about opinion's of someone's tenure are hardly the same thing as polls about elections, Rach.
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Rach
Nov 5 2017, 03:23 AM
Aexnidaral Seymour
Nov 5 2017, 01:07 AM
Most people who take polls are usually active on the forums, or at least active regulars in EuroChat.
There are also a fairly large group (imo) of older members and active forum users who simply do not vote in polls because it is perceived as too much work. I mean, I personally have probably voted in perhaps 5% of polls. There will probably be an article on it by me; but I think we tend to put far more stock into polls than into reality. A great recent example of this was Sanctaria doing a nearly perfect job as Minister and yet polling worse than many other Ministries by 10-20%. So I do think there is a difference between doing a job well and polling well. Sometimes they overlap, but not always as in the case of Sanctaria. I'd rather a person do their job well and properly than pandering to polls. There seems to be a bit of a culture of trying to do whatever it takes to poll well.
I think overall our polls have a pretty decent track record. As we learned this election, though, they aren't infallible.
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Nov 5 2017, 03:41 AM
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Nov 5 2017, 03:23 AM
Aexnidaral Seymour
Nov 5 2017, 01:07 AM
Most people who take polls are usually active on the forums, or at least active regulars in EuroChat.
There are also a fairly large group (imo) of older members and active forum users who simply do not vote in polls because it is perceived as too much work. I mean, I personally have probably voted in perhaps 5% of polls. There will probably be an article on it by me; but I think we tend to put far more stock into polls than into reality. A great recent example of this was Sanctaria doing a nearly perfect job as Minister and yet polling worse than many other Ministries by 10-20%. So I do think there is a difference between doing a job well and polling well. Sometimes they overlap, but not always as in the case of Sanctaria. I'd rather a person do their job well and properly than pandering to polls. There seems to be a bit of a culture of trying to do whatever it takes to poll well.
I think overall our polls have a pretty decent track record. As we learned this election, though, they aren't infallible.
This isn't the first time the polls of the politically engaged have run smack into the realities of GOTV. This is an especially noteworthy time. If we don't find ways to poll better, though, we may as well give up on election polls, if this level of cavnassing, or something even halfway as intense, becomes the new normal, which it increasingly seems like it is.
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Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism.
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I will say this again, but there are a lot of politically engaged people who do not take polls and there were quite a few who changed their mind... particularly in Radio & Interior after we changed our platform with their help :)
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Well, ultimately election polls don't matter because the only poll that matters is on election day.
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Rach
Nov 5 2017, 03:53 AM
I will say this again, but there are a lot of politically engaged people who do not take polls and there were quite a few who changed their mind... particularly in Radio & Interior after we changed our platform with their help :)
Then how did the number of voters break all records, Rach? Between the huge stack early in your favor (mostly of low-engagers) and this theoretical 'all these engaged people who don't take polls but then broke for you guys after because of changed platform', you could have had your number of votes, give or take, but the total number of voters wouldn't have been so high.

You have a very vested interest in putting a certain spin on your numbers.

Now, granted, I have at least a personal interest in putting the opposite spin on your numbers, but you are overstating matters, based on all the evidence I saw on election day.
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Guarantee Radio will still have stunted thoughts behind it. If a ticket can't read the gorram manifesto then it's likely they can't read much else (I guess they'll continue making light of mental health).
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Nov 5 2017, 12:47 PM
Guarantee Radio will still have stunted thoughts behind it. If a ticket can't read the gorram manifesto then it's likely they can't read much else (I guess they'll continue making light of mental health).
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Nov 5 2017, 02:18 PM
Gorram Manifesto?
Gorram is slang for a curse. Goshdarn. Lol
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Yes, but what Manifesto?
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Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.
Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism.
Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
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Kylia Quilor
Nov 5 2017, 05:03 AM
Now, granted, I have at least a personal interest in putting the opposite spin on your numbers, but you are overstating matters, based on all the evidence I saw on election day.
Well, you must be a better expert than me then on these things then. Here is a typical conversation:

Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
voted for you and brun
Solorni - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
wow lol
that was fast lol
Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:02 AM
i saw the post on the euro discord :stuck_out_tongue:

I mean I could show you all the proof, but you're obvious not interested in that :P
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Rach
Nov 5 2017, 04:04 PM
Kylia Quilor
Nov 5 2017, 05:03 AM
Now, granted, I have at least a personal interest in putting the opposite spin on your numbers, but you are overstating matters, based on all the evidence I saw on election day.
Well, you must be a better expert than me then on these things then. Here is a typical conversation:

Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
voted for you and brun
Solorni - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
wow lol
that was fast lol
Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:02 AM
i saw the post on the euro discord :stuck_out_tongue:

I mean I could show you all the proof, but you're obvious not interested in that :P
And I have any reason to believe that? Plus there's a lot of former Euro presidents out there, Rach. Again, your math doesn't hold up.
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Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.
Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism.
Tell people how you feel, honestly and frankly. If you like someone, tell them. If you don't like them, tell them - the world would be a better place if we all knew where we stood.
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Kylia Quilor
Nov 5 2017, 04:03 PM
Yes, but what Manifesto?
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Kylia Quilor
Nov 5 2017, 04:11 PM
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Nov 5 2017, 04:04 PM
Kylia Quilor
Nov 5 2017, 05:03 AM
Now, granted, I have at least a personal interest in putting the opposite spin on your numbers, but you are overstating matters, based on all the evidence I saw on election day.
Well, you must be a better expert than me then on these things then. Here is a typical conversation:

Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
voted for you and brun
Solorni - Last Friday at 9:01 AM
wow lol
that was fast lol
Former Euro President - Last Friday at 9:02 AM
i saw the post on the euro discord :stuck_out_tongue:

I mean I could show you all the proof, but you're obvious not interested in that :P
And I have any reason to believe that? Plus there's a lot of former Euro presidents out there, Rach. Again, your math doesn't hold up.
It was probably PASD. Considering he voted.

Additionally it is undeniable that a vast many inactive citizens voted. You can simply look at the membership list and see the number of people with 1-5 posts on the fourm who logged on from 9 AM on the 3rd to 9 Am on the fourth.
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