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So, I came here representing another region? I do not want to become a citizen. Where should I go?

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ENN Election Platforms Chat — Foreign Affairs; Chat #1
Topic Started: Aug 21 2017, 02:46 AM (881 Views)
Kylia Quilor
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Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 02:26 PM
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Aug 23 2017, 02:01 PM
Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 12:23 PM
TITO is a hive of defender extremism that is no better or worse than raider purism.
I'm not a fan of 'Raider Purism' either, Festavo. Fortunately, there doesn't seem to be as many Raider Purists as there are Defender Extremists.
Unfortunately, many people seem to view defender extremism as if it isn't an issue.
True. Europeia tends to be smarter about that, or has, but you're not wrong overall.
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Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 02:26 PM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 23 2017, 02:01 PM
Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 12:23 PM
TITO is a hive of defender extremism that is no better or worse than raider purism.
I'm not a fan of 'Raider Purism' either, Festavo. Fortunately, there doesn't seem to be as many Raider Purists as there are Defender Extremists.
Unfortunately, many people seem to view defender extremism as if it isn't an issue.

Defenderism is, at its core, an ideology founded upon the principle that an in-game tactic that is specifically allowed by the rules of the game is immoral. Having this as your organizing principle, rather than viewing game play as a forum to pursue the interests of a regional community (as we independents do) is naturally going to lead to results that are silly, and sometimes disturbing. For example, although RL events seem to have given them a dose of sanity, until recently many (most?) defenders felt that even Nazis deserved protection from "evil" raiders.

I'm not sure it's helpful to distinguish between "moderate" and "extremist" defenders. Defenderism is a philosophy that elevates tactics in a game over real, human concerns and needs. It's therefore not akin to a political philosophy like libertarianism, progressivism, conservatism, and what have you -- each of which might be good in moderation, but dangerous when taken to extremes.

In lieu of a moderate/extremist paradigm, I would suggest that we judge defenders by how they treat us. TITO doesn't like us, but they are not (so far as I am aware) committed to our destruction and they largely leave us alone. However extreme they may be in their commitment to defenderism ideology, I have no quarrel with them. On the other hand, TGW is committed to our destruction and appears to be trying to infiltrate our politics. They are therefore a threat to us and should be dealt with accordingly, even though they are arguably less "extreme" than TITO in their defenderist ideology.
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Oh no I've been rumbled. @HEM I'm going to need the password to King HEM earlier than I thought, the purge will have to start now.

The first part of my plan was to join Europeia a full 4.5 years before TGW even existed, that went off without a hitch thanks to the TARDIS.

The second part where I hang out on the sidelines and offer insight when it pops into my head worked for a while, but I've been found out for the little piece of shit asshole that I am.

It's coo though, at 1 ban a second I can clear the region in under an hour since that is totally, 100% my intention, def no sarcasm.
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Skizzy Grey
Aug 23 2017, 12:50 AM
Unlike your home region, Europeia is not hell-bent on subverting and destroying other regional communities. We are an open society. You are taking advantage of that openness to try to influence our elections for the benefit of your home region, which is committed to our destruction. Perhaps our laws allow you to do this (though as a Senator, I'll be looking into changing that), but they don't require me to be nice to you while you're doing it, you little piece of shit.
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Aug 23 2017, 08:29 PM
In lieu of a moderate/extremist paradigm, I would suggest that we judge defenders by how they treat us. TITO doesn't like us, but they are not (so far as I am aware) committed to our destruction and they largely leave us alone. However extreme they may be in their commitment to defenderism ideology, I have no quarrel with them. On the other hand, TGW is committed to our destruction and appears to be trying to infiltrate our politics. They are therefore a threat to us and should be dealt with accordingly, even though they are arguably less "extreme" than TITO in their defenderist ideology.
I agree strongly with this approach. We should judge Defender regions based on whether they pose a political threat to us, rather than on their ideological beliefs.
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Aug 23 2017, 08:29 PM
Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 02:26 PM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 23 2017, 02:01 PM
Festavo
Aug 23 2017, 12:23 PM
TITO is a hive of defender extremism that is no better or worse than raider purism.
I'm not a fan of 'Raider Purism' either, Festavo. Fortunately, there doesn't seem to be as many Raider Purists as there are Defender Extremists.
Unfortunately, many people seem to view defender extremism as if it isn't an issue.

Defenderism is, at its core, an ideology founded upon the principle that an in-game tactic that is specifically allowed by the rules of the game is immoral. Having this as your organizing principle, rather than viewing game play as a forum to pursue the interests of a regional community (as we independents do) is naturally going to lead to results that are silly, and sometimes disturbing. For example, although RL events seem to have given them a dose of sanity, until recently many (most?) defenders felt that even Nazis deserved protection from "evil" raiders.

I'm not sure it's helpful to distinguish between "moderate" and "extremist" defenders. Defenderism is a philosophy that elevates tactics in a game over real, human concerns and needs. It's therefore not akin to a political philosophy like libertarianism, progressivism, conservatism, and what have you -- each of which might be good in moderation, but dangerous when taken to extremes.

In lieu of a moderate/extremist paradigm, I would suggest that we judge defenders by how they treat us. TITO doesn't like us, but they are not (so far as I am aware) committed to our destruction and they largely leave us alone. However extreme they may be in their commitment to defenderism ideology, I have no quarrel with them. On the other hand, TGW is committed to our destruction and appears to be trying to infiltrate our politics. They are therefore a threat to us and should be dealt with accordingly, even though they are arguably less "extreme" than TITO in their defenderist ideology.
I personally do not currently care if Europeia and 10KI work together, but it is a fact that TITO members are heavily discouraged from associating with raiders in any form. I've seen people get lambasted for banning defenders from a raider aligned regional server yet TITO is totally fine in their stance. It's best that I digress though. I apologize for the rant. This is getting too off topic.
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Altmoras
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Hard to lock up.

It is worth noting that last I checked XKI considers Europeia to be "an invader region", and while cooperation is sometimes possible (WA Spam Accords), and even beneficial (The NSIA) it is by nature going to be a tough venture with largely minimal results. Which is why I didn't suggest it when I mentioned them in my initial post.

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Skizzy Grey
Aug 23 2017, 12:50 AM
Unlike your home region, Europeia is not hell-bent on subverting and destroying other regional communities. We are an open society. You are taking advantage of that openness to try to influence our elections for the benefit of your home region, which is committed to our destruction. Perhaps our laws allow you to do this (though as a Senator, I'll be looking into changing that), but they don't require me to be nice to you while you're doing it, you little piece of shit.
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I don't think anyone would suggest that cooperation with them is possible or even desirable. The point is that 10000 Islands, whatever its internal ideological disposition, has historically abstained from engaging in internal and external subversion of Independent regions, precisely because its relative isolationism. This means that 10000 Islands is not a security threat which has to be countered. That places 10000 Islands in a different category to the more politically focused Defender alliances and regions from the era of the ADN onwards, which instead seek to control and subvert Independent and non-aligned regions, whether 10000 Islands is perceived as more ideologically extreme or not (though I would add incidentally that there are many Defender ideologues who are not current members of 10000 Islands).
Edited by OnderKelkia, Aug 23 2017, 11:22 PM.
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