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So what the heck is Europeia anyways?

Can I join?

So, I came here representing another region? I do not want to become a citizen. Where should I go?

What offices are there for people to be elected into?

What is there for me to do in Europeia?

That answers most of my immediate questions. What if I have any more?


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The Stench Of Decay
Topic Started: Aug 13 2017, 04:26 AM (689 Views)
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Kylia Quilor
Aug 17 2017, 01:48 AM
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Aug 17 2017, 01:38 AM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 17 2017, 01:13 AM
Well, what is your magic solution for our use of discord? I thought you thought it was hell and not to be encouraged? Shouldn't the solution be to discourage its use for most purposes?
I'm growing increasingly convinced that you straight up didn't read my article. :lol: I have at least one proposed solution in the text.

The answer at this point is adopt to Discord, not resist. It's a part of a wider mobile culture that isn't going away any time soon. We should've give up on the forum, but content should but written mobile-friendly, which means shorter and more tl;dr.
So... dumbing it down?

I don't play Europeia to have shorter content. I don't Play NS so we can try to keep things short for people who can't be arsed to read a long post if a long post is the best way to make the relevant point(s).

I mean, I know I've always argued variations of this notion, but again, if people need a tl;dr to get into our politics, do we want them running for office or engaging in our politics?

Also, HEM, it's been several days since you posted the thing. God forbid I ddin't memorize it.
I had my suspicions from the start based on your responses, but further comments have pretty much confirmed it. Interesting that a person advocating for long-form content, at best, gave my article a somewhat judicious skim. :ph43r:

Shorter doesn't mean dumber. This is the kinda nonsense that got us laws that read like olde english. "Start of the term", "1/4 of the term", "1/2 of the term", "3/4 of the term" addresses are perhaps the least effective government communication technique...ever, and they also prioritize length over quality or information relayed. Our platforms are longer than ever, but could be easily shortened and still contain the essential information.

The idea that we have two options: vapid short content, or longform deep content, is pretty silly and not backed up by evidence.
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The idea that we have two options: vapid short content, or longform deep content, is pretty silly and not backed up by evidence.
Agreed.
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The idea that we have two options: vapid short content, or longform deep content, is pretty silly and not backed up by evidence.
Agreed.
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Aug 17 2017, 01:55 AM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 17 2017, 01:48 AM
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Aug 17 2017, 01:38 AM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 17 2017, 01:13 AM
Well, what is your magic solution for our use of discord? I thought you thought it was hell and not to be encouraged? Shouldn't the solution be to discourage its use for most purposes?
I'm growing increasingly convinced that you straight up didn't read my article. :lol: I have at least one proposed solution in the text.

The answer at this point is adopt to Discord, not resist. It's a part of a wider mobile culture that isn't going away any time soon. We should've give up on the forum, but content should but written mobile-friendly, which means shorter and more tl;dr.
So... dumbing it down?

I don't play Europeia to have shorter content. I don't Play NS so we can try to keep things short for people who can't be arsed to read a long post if a long post is the best way to make the relevant point(s).

I mean, I know I've always argued variations of this notion, but again, if people need a tl;dr to get into our politics, do we want them running for office or engaging in our politics?

Also, HEM, it's been several days since you posted the thing. God forbid I ddin't memorize it.
I had my suspicions from the start based on your responses, but further comments have pretty much confirmed it. Interesting that a person advocating for long-form content, at best, gave my article a somewhat judicious skim. :ph43r:

Shorter doesn't mean dumber. This is the kinda nonsense that got us laws that read like olde english. "Start of the term", "1/4 of the term", "1/2 of the term", "3/4 of the term" addresses are perhaps the least effective government communication technique...ever, and they also prioritize length over quality or information relayed. Our platforms are longer than ever, but could be easily shortened and still contain the essential information.

The idea that we have two options: vapid short content, or longform deep content, is pretty silly and not backed up by evidence.
No, I read it the first time, HEM. I just didn't memorize it. Nor did I re-read it since the first read. So maybe stop pretending you know what I do on this end of the computer screen.

There are many times when longer posts are a more useful and effective way to make a comprehensive point. Europeia is not a simple place, and complexity means longer platforms are needed, more things need to be discussed in speeches and thus they get longer.

Europeia isn't hard, but it isn't simple either. Your solution isn't a solution.
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Aug 17 2017, 01:55 AM
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Aug 17 2017, 01:48 AM
HEM
Aug 17 2017, 01:38 AM
Kylia Quilor
Aug 17 2017, 01:13 AM
Well, what is your magic solution for our use of discord? I thought you thought it was hell and not to be encouraged? Shouldn't the solution be to discourage its use for most purposes?
I'm growing increasingly convinced that you straight up didn't read my article. :lol: I have at least one proposed solution in the text.

The answer at this point is adopt to Discord, not resist. It's a part of a wider mobile culture that isn't going away any time soon. We should've give up on the forum, but content should but written mobile-friendly, which means shorter and more tl;dr.
So... dumbing it down?

I don't play Europeia to have shorter content. I don't Play NS so we can try to keep things short for people who can't be arsed to read a long post if a long post is the best way to make the relevant point(s).

I mean, I know I've always argued variations of this notion, but again, if people need a tl;dr to get into our politics, do we want them running for office or engaging in our politics?

Also, HEM, it's been several days since you posted the thing. God forbid I ddin't memorize it.
I had my suspicions from the start based on your responses, but further comments have pretty much confirmed it. Interesting that a person advocating for long-form content, at best, gave my article a somewhat judicious skim. :ph43r:

Shorter doesn't mean dumber. This is the kinda nonsense that got us laws that read like olde english. "Start of the term", "1/4 of the term", "1/2 of the term", "3/4 of the term" addresses are perhaps the least effective government communication technique...ever, and they also prioritize length over quality or information relayed. Our platforms are longer than ever, but could be easily shortened and still contain the essential information.

The idea that we have two options: vapid short content, or longform deep content, is pretty silly and not backed up by evidence.
No, I read it the first time, HEM. I just didn't memorize it. Nor did I re-read it since the first read. So maybe stop pretending you know what I do on this end of the computer screen.

There are many times when longer posts are a more useful and effective way to make a comprehensive point. Europeia is not a simple place, and complexity means longer platforms are needed, more things need to be discussed in speeches and thus they get longer.

Europeia isn't hard, but it isn't simple either. Your solution isn't a solution.
Your just being stubborn at this point. Nothing I've proposed is worth trying? Nothing is too long? Nothing can be shortened to a more essential core?

Okay then, keep demanding the game be played only the way you like to play and you can be the last one here.
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A post needs to be as long or as short as it needs to be to make its point.

Your 'solution' is that we should make everything shorter just because - because somehow things have changed so much that we have so many more Europeians who are unwilling to read longer posts. That hasn't been my experience with any of the newer Europeians I've interacted with - Monkey, LL, even Snowball, just off the top.

A push to make things shorter for the sake of shorter-ness is not a solution that will create or preserve quality.

Europeians have largely abandoned the notion that longer = gooder (I didn't say longer was good, not-a-word-word used deliberately). People aren't posting long speeches or long platforms or long articles just because but because the create feels it is the most effective way to make their point. And oftentimes, they're right. Taking too much of a red pen to something simply because someone feels that it needs to be shorter is a great way to be forced to either render some parts incoherent, or cut out a lot more than you have to so you don't have half an argument dangling around. A well crafted article, platform or speech, which we get a lot of in Europeia, hinges together well and can't just have sentences or paragraphs lifted out and have the meaning be entirely the same.

So yes, have ther been posts that are too long? Of course. But nowhere near as many as you seem to be implying and arguing, and your solution, for us all to write shorter posts because it's the only way to engage people who for whatever reason are unwilling to read something long, isn't much of a solution at all.
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Tl; dr - sorry, shorten it up so I don't have to read next time ok?
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When I joined the region, it was easy to get a job, and the jobs were fun because this is game and having fun was a point. Now it is fairly difficult to get a job, everything is super institutionalized, and the public demand for excellence is so high and everyone is so, so awful to each other, that this game isn't fun. I don't want a real job, I want to play a game. This place isn't a game anymore.


Nationstates used to be like LEGOs. You build it up and make your region cool and special and whatnot, and then you break it apart and do it again. We used to revel in the challenge of letting newbies run the show for a bit, or given random crazy characters a chance, because it was fun. And we knew we could always pick up the pieces later. But now? Please. This place is a finished product.

I honestly don't even know why any of you play anymore.
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".. Verteger was elected as the new Prime Minister. Verteger was debatably one of the worst Prime Ministers Europeia had yet to see. His term was so magnificently awful that King HEM proposed a reform of government right under his nose so that his term as Prime Minister would end." - A completely accurate account of what happened.

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Because we're not here to play the same kind of game you were here to play.
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Unfocused populism is just as dangerous, if not more so, to a Republic's survival as creeping authoritarianism.
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I honestly don't even know why any of you play anymore.
Interesting thought from a guy running for Vice President.
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